Mary Need, daughter of Nathaniel Need, yeoman of Arnold, Nottinghamshire, and Ann ______, was baptized 12 December 1645 at Arnold.[1][2]
On 9 November 1682 Mary and Edmund Cartlidge (his name is spelt like that in the Quaker records) gave notice to Chesterfield Monthly Meeting, Derbyshire, England of their intention to marry.[3] They married on 28 January 1682/3 at Nottingham Quaker Meeting. Edmund is described as of Riddings, Derbyshire in the Quaker marriage record.[4][5] On 8 February 1683 (8 of 12th 1682), Breach Monthly Meeting wrote a transfer certificate for Edmund and wife to the "ffriends in America."[6]
They had two sons and one daughter:
John,[1][2] born 1684-3-25 (25 May 1684)[7] married Elizabeth Bartram in 1705[8]
Mary,[1][2] born 1685-8-25 (25 October 1685),[7] married Jacob Trego[9] and had two children[10]
Edmund,[1][2] born 1689-1-6 (6 March 1689),[7] died 1703-2-26 (26 April 1703)[11]
The family immigrated to Pennsylvania, and settled in Darby, Chester County,[1][2] in 1683.[12]
Mary and her children were named in the 1701 will of her father.[1][2]
Edmund Cartlidge left a will dated 21 February 1702/3 and proved in Chester County 12 June 1703.[1][13]
Mary was living in 1709 when her daughter Mary was to marry Jacob Trego.[9] Her date and place of death are unknown.
Research Notes
Douglas Richardson gives Mary's marriage date as 28 November 1682. The Quaker marriage record makes it clear it was 28, Quaker 11th month, 1682 which equates to 28 January 1683 in modern reckoning.
Sources
↑ 1.01.11.21.31.41.51.6 Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), Vol III, page 223, NEED 18.ii
↑ 2.02.12.22.32.42.5 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), Vol. IV, page 206, NEED 22.ii
↑ General Register Office: Society of Friends' Registers, Notes and Certificates of Births, Marriages and Burials. Records of the General Register Office, Government Social Survey Department, and Office of Population Censuses and Surveys, RG 6/1487. The National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey, England. Monthly Meeting of Chesterfield, England & Wales, Quaker Birth, Marriage, and Death Registers, 1578-1837, Ancestry Record 7097 #6009370/Ancestry.co.uk and accompanying image: "Upon ye 9 day of 9 month 1682 At our monthly Meeting at ye Breach house Edmond Cartlidg and Mary Need did declare their intentions of Marrig x Soe far ffourth as wee Know things are cleare x wee have unity with ym. Sam Fox, John Roads, Thomas Whitbie, Richard ?Pearson, Adam Roades, Thomas Farnworth, Thomas Hood, William Wolley." The names John Roads, Thomas Whitbie and Thomas Hood appear later in Pennsylvania. (Ashmead)
↑ England & Wales, Society Of Friends (Quaker) Marriages 1578-1841, DERBYSHIRE AND NOTTINGHAMSHIRE: Quarterly Meeting of Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire, RG6/1368, FindMyFriends and accompanying image: Mary's last name is wrongly given as Reed in the transcript. "Edmund Cartlidge of Riddings in the County of Derby & Mary Need of Arnall in the County of Nottingham haveing declared their Intentions to joyne in Marriage att Severall Meettings of the people of God and all things being Clear they have the day and year abovesaid joyned in Marriage at a publique Meetting of the people of God at Nottingham where the Said Edmund tooke the Said Mary to be his wife and the Said Mary tooke the Said Edmund to be her husband and wee whose names are here under written are witnesses of ye same. James Jackson, John Hart, Mary Shepheard, Jonathan Reckles, Mary Smith, Richard Richardson, Frances Smith, Edward Poe, Anne Smith, Addam Roades, Sarah Wattson, Francis Machen, Elizabeth Smith, Isaac Gisborne, Anne Reckles, Joseph Reckles, Anne Reckles Jun, Joseph Need, Grace Reckles, John Need, Mary Weetman, Richard Smith, Alice Cade"
↑ General Register Office: Society of Friends' Registers, Notes and Certificates of Births, Marriages and Burials. Records of the General Register Office, Government Social Survey Department, and Office of Population Censuses and Surveys, RG 6/1368, The National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey, England, Quarterly Meeting of Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire, Ancestry.co.uk and accompanying image: Mary's last name is wrongly given as Reed in the transcript
↑ Swarthmore College; Swarthmore, Pennsylvania; A Few Certificates and Marriages, 1684-1763; Collection: Quaker Meeting Records; Call Number: MR-PH-141
↑ 7.07.17.2 William Wade Hinshaw. William Wade Hinshaw's Index to Unpublished Quaker Records. Swarthmore, Pennsylvania: Friends Historical Library, Swarthmore College. Darby Monthly Meeting; Archive Reference: EE 155 Ancestry image,
↑ Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., comp. Passengers and Ships Prior to 1684. (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1970). Online at Ancestry.com [$], pages 181-182.
↑ Will Abstract: Philadelphia County Wills, 1682-1819. Page B:304, Historical Society of Pennsylvania, 1900. Cartlidge. Edmund. Darby, Chester Co. 2/21/1703. Ancestry Record 4695 #18279: Daughter Mary. Sister Mary, wife of Richard Smith and her children Thomas, Richard and Matthew Smith, Sister Helen Black. Executors: Wife Mary, son John, brother-in-law Joseph Need and Michael Blunton. Overseers: Isaac Bartram and his brother William Bartram.
Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. Salt Lake City: the author, 2013. See also WikiTree's source page for ‘’Royal Ancestry’’.
Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. Salt Lake City: the author, 2011. See also WikiTree's source page for "Magna Carta Ancestry".
Ashmead, H.G. History of Delaware County, page 532. (Relates that Edmund Cartlidge died at 84 - we have 64.)
Walker, Michael L: History of the Family of Need of Arnold, Nottinghamshire (London, 1963). Not seen. Cited by Douglas Richardson but not for any specific fact. (Google)
Martin, Jacob and Cope, Gilbert. Abstracts of Wills of Chester County, Pennsylvania, 4 vols, Vol. I, 1900, p. 452 (cited by Douglas Richardson: not found online)
Acknowledgements
Magna Carta Project
This profile was developed for the Magna Carta Project in 2019 by Michael Cayley and updated 18 March 2021 by Thiessen-117. It was approved for the Magna Carta Project by Michael Cayley on 20 March 2021.
See Base Camp for more information about identified Magna Carta trails and their status. See the project's glossary for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".
through Joan Dacre to the Bigods (RF), the Clares (RF), Lacy (RF) and Quincy (RF).
Samuel is also a descendant of Isabel de Beauchamp (RF), who is in another badged trail to the Bigods (RF).
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DNA Connections
It may be possible to confirm family relationships with Mary by comparing test results with other carriers of her mitochondrial DNA.
However, there are no known mtDNA test-takers in her direct maternal line.
It is likely that these autosomal DNA test-takers will share some percentage of DNA with Mary:
Suggested correction. In an image of the original marriage entry, the entry reads "The 28th day of the Eleventh Month 1682." As a result, I suggest the correct month of marriage should be November instead of January. Also, there appears to be at least 3 Need relatives who have signed as witnesses: Hannah Need; Joseph Need; and John Need.
edited by Traci Thiessen