Humphrey Need (abt. 1590 - 1668)

Born about 15 Aug 1590 in Arnold, Nottinghamshire, England

Ancestors

Husband of Ann (Unknown) Need — married 10 Jul 1641 in Nottinghamshire, England

Descendants

Died 8 Nov 1668 at about age 78 in Arnold, Nottinghamshire, England

Problems/Questions Profile managers: John Sigh [send private message] and Magna Carta Project WikiTree [send private message]

Magna Carta Surety Baron Descendant (see text). Join: Magna Carta Project Discuss: magna_carta

Humphrey Need is a descendant of a number of Surety Barons. See below.

Biography

Humphrey was a Friend (Quaker)

Birth and Parentage

Humphrey Need was baptized at St Mary's Church, Arnold, Nottinghamshire, England on 15 Aug 1590.^[1] His father, Humphrey Need (or Neyd) of Arnold, was a yeoman (farmer) and his mother was Mary Melford.^[2][3][4] Humphrey was their only known son and a legatee in his father's will dated 25 Jul 1591 and proved 7 Oct 1591 receiving “half a score of ewes and lambs.” He also received five shillings from the will of his maternal grandfather Thomas Melford dated 25 Mar 1602 and proved 28 Jan 1603.^[2] Humphrey had two sisters, Helen, who presumably died prior to 25 July 1591 as she is not mentioned in her father's will, and Agnes who received half of her father's residual goods.^[2]

Marriages and Issue

Humphrey married first a woman name Dorothy (maiden name unknown)^[4] in about 1615. ^[5] They had four children:

1) Nathaniel^[4], baptized on 2 Apr 1617, d. bef. 8 Jul 1622^[5]

2) Joseph^[4], b. abt. 1619^[6]

3) Nathaniel^[4], baptized 8 Jul 1622; d. abt. 7 Apr 1701^[7]

4) Mary^[4], baptized 18 April 1625; d. 16 May 1664^[8]

Dorothy was buried at St Mary's Church, Arnold, Nottinghamshire, England^[9] on 29 Aug 1640.^[3][4]

Humphrey married second by license, on 10 Jul 1641 at St Peter's Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, the widow Ann Hawton, of Mansfield, Nottinghamshire. Her maiden name is also unknown.^[2][3][4] St Peter's is also where his daughter Mary would later marry.

Churchwarden and Quaker

Humphrey was a religious man and in 1629 he was churchwarden at Arnold, Nottinghamshire. He was now of the first Quakers^[4] and was imprisoned in 1660 at Nottingham Gaol (jail) for refusing to take the Oath of Allegiance.^[3][10] By 1668 he is listed as an active elder/preacher.^[11]

Humphrey died intestate (without a will) on 8 Nov 1668.^[4] He was survived by his 2nd wife, Ann, who died 3 years later on 26 Oct 1671.^[4] Humphrey and Ann were buried in the Quaker Burial Ground in Arnold, Nottinghamshire, England.^[3][4]

Research Notes

Date of First Marriage

A single on-line source has Humphrey and his first wife Dorothy married about 1615 and their first son Nathaniel baptized 2 Apr 1617.^[5] While no second corroborating source has been found at this time, the years fall in line with more reliable sources for the baptisms of Joseph in 1619 at St. Mary's Church,^[6] the second Nathaniel on 8 Jul 1622^[7] and Mary on 18 Apr 1625.^[8] From this it can be inferred that the first Nathaniel died prior to the baptism on 8 Jul 1622 of the second Nathaniel.

Conversion to Quakerism

Douglas Richardson states that Humphrey became a Quaker in 1647.^[4] The Quaker movement had not come properly into being at that date. What is clear is that Humphrey was one of the early Quakers.

Royal Ancestors

Through his mother Mary Melford :
Charlemagne, Holy Roman Emperor^[12] - 27th great grandfather.
William I, "The Conqueror", King of England^[13] - 17th great grandfather.
Henry II, King of England^[14] - 14th great grandfather.
Philippe IV, King of France ^[15] - 11th great grandfather.
Edward I, "Longshanks", King of England^[16] - 11th great grandfather.
Edward III, King of England^[2] - 9th great grandfather.

He is also a descendant of Magna Carta surety baron Saher de Quincy (see details below).

Sources

1. ↑ Nottinghamshire Baptisms Index 1538-1917. Category: Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records. Subcategory: Parish Baptisms.Transcriptions © Nottinghamshire Family History Society. Father's name recorded as Humfrey Need. (See also: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=PRS%2FNOTTSFHS%2FBAP%2F00470973)
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4} Mahler, Leslie: "Samuel Levis, Quaker Immigrant to Pennsylvania", The Genealogist, Spring 1999, Vol 13, No 1, p. 30-36 (PDF download)
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4} Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume IV, page 205 NEED 21. See also WikiTree's source page for Royal Ancestry.
4. ↑ ^{4.00 4.01 4.02 4.03 4.04 4.05 4.06 4.07 4.08 4.09 4.10 4.11 4.12} Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), volume III, page 222, NEED 17. See also WikiTree's source page for ‘’Magna Carta Ancestry.’’
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1 5.2} Maier Associates - HUMPHREY & DOROTHY NEED.
6. ↑ ^{6.0 6.1} Nottinghamshire Baptisms Index 1538-1917. Category: Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records. Subcategory: Parish Baptisms.Transcriptions © Nottinghamshire Family History Society. (See also: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=PRS%2FNOTTSFHS%2FBAP%2F00471245)
7. ↑ ^{7.0 7.1} Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume IV, page 206 NEED 22. See also WikiTree's source page for Royal Ancestry.
8. ↑ ^{8.0 8.1} Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume IV, page 205 NEED 21.ii. See also WikiTree's source page for Royal Ancestry.
9. ↑ Find A Grave: Memorial #105272995
10. ↑ Cropper, Percy J, The sufferings of the Quakers in Nottinghamshire, 1649-1689. Pub 1892. Pg 46. (See also: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101065100982&view=1up&seq=78)
11. ↑ Lomax, James, A History of Quakers in Nottingham 1648-1948. 1948. Pages 14-15.
12. ↑ Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume V, page 481 Appendix Line B and C. 8th great grandfather of Maud of Flanders, wife of William The Conqueror
13. ↑ Great grandfather of Henry II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror)
14. ↑ Great grandfather of Edward I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_II_of_England)
15. ↑ Maternal grandfather of Edward III of England (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_IV_of_France)
16. ↑ Grandfather of Edward III (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England)

See also:

• Walker, Michael L: A History of the Family of Need of Arnold, Nottinghamshire, Research Publishing Company, London, 1963

Acknowledgements

Magna Carta Project

This profile was reviewed/approved for the Magna Carta Project by Michael Cayley on 30 January 2020.

Humphrey Need appears in a Richardson-documented trail from from the Levis/Need Gateway Ancestors (Samuel Levis, Hannah (Levis) Blunston, Sarah (Levis) Bradshaw, Mary Need and Joseph Need) to Magna Carta Surety Barons Hugh le Bigod and Roger le Bigod (vol. II, pages 221-223 NEED). This profile is also in trails identified by the Magna Carta Project from the Levis/Need Gateways to surety barons Saher de Quincy, John de Lacy, Gilbert de Clare, Richard de Clare and John Fitz Robert. These trails were developed as part of the Samuel Levis trail to the Bigods by John Sigh and were badged in February 2020 by Michael Cayley. The trails can be seen in the Magna Carta Trails sections in the profiles of Samuel Levis and Mary Need.

See Base Camp for more information about identified Magna Carta trails and their status. See the project's glossary for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".