Who is Maud Beauchamp [Beauchamp-709] ?

Question

Who is Maud de Beauchamp, alleged dau. of Andrew Beauchamp & Eva Grey ... ? 

Did she really marry Neville and if so, which branch, and are there any primary or secondary sources that show her as the mother of Margaret Ward (nee Neville)?

PS: After a week or so, I'm ready to detach alleged dau. Marg. (Read commentary on Beauchamp-709, Beauchamp-689, and Grey-515 ... for starters, then move onto Neville of Pickhill, co. York, Rolleston, co. Notts.  & Nevill Holt, co. Leics. for more).

Comments

Your going to disconnect my

Maud is the 21great grandmother of David

What will the kids say?

ROfl.

These ancient profiles must be a bother to source.

Answer 1

The history of Standlake Manor from A history of the County of Oxford, vol. 13, mentions (see paragraph 3) Eve, presumably Grey, who married first Ralph Murdac, and secondly Andrew de Beauchamp.  On her death circa 1246, her lands were divided into four, with one part descending to "Jolland de Neville, son of her daughter Maud"

It's not clear from that, though whether Maud (and her sisters) were the daughters of Ralph Murdac or Andrew de Beauchamp.

This is partly based on Eve's inquistion post mortem, (see no. 842) which doesn't actually specify that her heirs are her daughters, but does add that the Neville share went to "Jolland (Julanus) son of Jolland de Neville and Maud his wife"

Comments

Ok ... nice! I'm going to take a look:)

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She is probably the wife of Neville-1448 

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The ODNB for Jollan de Neville (d. 1246) doesn't name Maud as his wife, but does say that "the younger Jollan was said to be nephew and heir of John de Beauchamp, suggests that his mother was a member of the latter family"

There is a Fine Roll dated 3 Oct 1228 that names John de Beauchamp as the son of Andrew de Beauchamp.  

Haven't found the source that names Jollan de Neville as his nephew, but would indicate 1) that Andrew de Beauchamp was married before Eve de Gray, and had at least one son , John with her; and 2) that Maud who married Jollan de Neville was the daughter of Andrew de Beauchamp.

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There's really nothing much about Maud to be found in the Neville pedigrees. And I spent hours upon hours upon hours.

The one 19th century pedigree I ran across makes her the dau. of Ralph Murdac., but her husband's chart is off.

The problem seems to sort of start with Camden's (1619), pedigree for Nevill of Neville Holt, co. Leics. It's has a lot of errors and skips justice Jollan (d. 1246) and moves Andrew up a generation.

But after John's look-up ... I can see why FS family trees show a Maud Beauchamp. It makes sense in terms of onamastics.

Andrew de Neville is a younger son of Jollan de Neville (d. 1264), son of Joelin (Joslen) Neville & Amfelise (Amflicia) from Rolleston manor in Rolleston, co. Notts.

That said ... it's also easy to why some antiquarians who tried to chart out the Nevilles of Nevill Holt, thought Maud was Murdac's (or Murdock) daughter.

The Murdocs are northerners and were in Yorkshire.

Ralph Murdac had a few jobs ... judge in 10 counties, sheriff of Derby & Notts, and constable of Notts. ... So he probably ran across justice Jollan (d. 1246), who served in Yorkshire and Northumberland before he ended his career as a superior judge in Westminster. 

Murdac might have had known Amfelise's father as well. He was constable of Richmond...

So it seems that Murdac, Jollan and maybe constable Alan ran in similar circles, and it might rationalize why I'm seeing "Ralph" in the early portion of the line for the Nevilles of Pickhill. ... I think antiquarians wanted to believe that there was a mystery son tying the Nevilles of Pickhill to Robert fitz Maldred of Raby, but it just doesn't stack up. Which led later researchers to assert that the Neville surname might have been due to intermarriage sometime in say... c. 13th century (maybe the early part).