Sally (Ford) Hodges (1777 - 1846)

Born 18 Sep 1777 in Massachusetts, United States

Ancestors

Wife of Phillip Hodges — married 18 Dec 1796 in Marcellus, New York

Descendants

Died 4 Aug 1846 at age 68 in New York, Michigan

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Biography

Researchers Note: This profile is Under Construction- although refinements have been made, research and linking across profiles is continuing. Please do not tinker with information here while this process continues.

Research Note - Caution - Online Sources such as Ancestry, Family Search, and others need careful vetting as information may not be correct - reason for this is mixing name Sarah with Sally and other details .

Please read the section headed Preliminary Research Note before making any changes to this profile.

Research Note: The information on this profile has been grouped under sub-headings as follows:

1. Area 1 Intermingling of sisters Sally and Sarah Details Caused Confusion
2. Area 2 Background to the confusion- related to the books titled The Descendants of Andrew Ford of Weymouth Massachusetts Volumes 1,2, and 3. and to the book titled Edson......
3. Area 3 So Who WAS The Original SALLY and what EVIDENCE do we have?
4. Area 4 Special Mention - Researchers and Documents

Hyperlinks to Key People mentioned in this profile

Research Note:- Read all the sections below before reading about SALLY, Phillip, and their children

Area 1 Intermingling of sisters Sally and Sarah Details Caused Confusion

Over a period of time, researchers investigating 2 of the daughters of Joseph and Freelove Beals Ford, namely Sally and Sarah Ford-10406, have intermingled their birth, marriage, death, and other information creating issues, especially for researchers wanting to claim connections to organizations that require detailed evidence of correct ancestry.

Perhaps, because of the intermingling, researchers on various sites may have started using the name Sarah Sally for one or both individuals. For this reason, any researcher coming to this profile must understand that many researchers, including those who are direct line descendants, have expended a great deal of effort and time to sort out who was SALLY? who was SARAH? and why there was no person called Sarah Sally.

One reason the problems with Sally and Sarah Ford-10406 became an issue may have been related to the information in 2 of the volumes of the book titled The Descendants of Andrew Ford of Weymouth Massachusetts by ELIZABETH COBB STEWART. ^[1]

Area 2 Background to the confusion- related to the books titled The Descendants of Andrew Ford of Weymouth Massachusetts Volumes 1,2, and 3. and also to the book titled Edson family history and genealogy : descendants of Samuel Edson of Salem and Bridgewater, Mass.

Note: Volume one is online; Volume 2 and 3 are not - so getting access to the necessary pages in Volume 2 and 3 can be difficult. Also, unless otherwise noted, all the information copied below is from an analysis of Stewart's books or an excerpt of the text.

Comparing Volumes

To see comparison information - refer to the attached document labelled Analysis of how Sally Ford Hodges and her sister Sarah Ford Edson evolved through revisions to become Sarah Sally

1969 Edition Volume 1 Details

1. In Volume 1 on page 1 Stewart, explains her role as compiler and also mentions the many sources and contributors to the book. One contributor Stewart described was Florence Harlow Barclay of Whitman, Mass. noting that she contributed much to the first 2 generations. Mrs Barclay's name is mentioned within the text referring to the Family papers of the late R. Z. Hopkins & Diaries of Duane Dorr Hodges that connection will be explained later.
2. In Volume 1 on Pages 59 and 60 under Joseph Hodge ID Number 30, Stewart (the compiler) lists Joseph's ancestors, names his wife, Freelove Beals, and lists his children.

Key points about the children listed in Joseph's biography

1. Joseph's sons are clearly identified.
2. However the daughters are listed as un-named daughter born about 1773, Sally ID number VI born 1777, and another un-named daughter born 1781.
3. Stewarts's details about Sally ID number VI are comprehensive, covering her birth, marriage to Phillipp Hodge, their children and Phillip and Sally's deaths.
4. Stewart makes no suggestion about the names of the daughters born in 1773 and 1781.

1988 Edition Volume 2 & 3

- Stewart (the complier) makes numerous corrections in The eighth, ninth and later generations; additions and corrections for parts [vol.] 1 and 2.

Corrections specific to Sarah and Sally

1. One of the corrections that Stewart makes is to swap Sally ID number VI with that of Sarah who is now Sarah ID number VI.
2. Stewart doesn't refer to the birth year dates originally assigned to Sally, instead she refers to the 12 Sep 1799 Baptism Record as proof that Sarah was the daughter of Joseph and Freelove Beals Ford.
3. Stewart also provides details about Sarah's marriage to Isaac Edson, their divorce and their children.
4. Therefore, because of the changes of name and details, it was highly likely that Sally and Sarah became inter-mingled and that this intermingled information was (and still is) spread throughout the many genealogy sites.

Another Problem Book

1. In 1969, Carroll Andrew Edson published 2 Volumes of his book titled Edson family history and genealogy : descendants of Samuel Edson of Salem and Bridgewater, Mass. ^[2]
2. Edson's biographical text about Issac Edson (husband of Sarah) in Volume 2, Chapter 25, Pages 641 Heading John 5 Edson Fifth Generation ID Number 202 and Page 642 Heading Sixth Generation Isaac 202-1. may have also contributed to the confusion because Edson listed Sarah's parents as Samuel and Sarah Dyer Ford.
3. Unfortunately, Edson did not publish a third volume (that he hoped to do) in which he may have corrected his parent error by naming Sarah's correct parents as Joseph and Freelove Beals Ford based on baptism records.

To learn more about Carroll Andrew Edson Edson-1433, follow the link to his profile where Carroll Andrew Edson's lineage is described, his research into the Edsons is covered in detail, and his sources are listed and how his research through the Edson ancestry possibly resulted in his naming the wrong parents- Samuel and Sarah Dyer Ford - as parents of Sarah Ford Edson.

Area 3 So Who WAS The Original SALLY and what EVIDENCE do we have?

To answer the above questions. excerpts have been copied below and are found in the book ^[3]

Note: Sub-headings, spacing, and notes will be used to improve readability.

Parents Sally was the daughter of Joseph Ford and Freelove Beals- see attached Image labelled

Her father Joseph's Ancestry: (Jacob, 4 Andrew, 3 Andrew, 2 Andrew 1)

Sally's Biographical Information

Sally's First Appearance is in the book the Descendants of Andrew Ford of Weymouth Massachusetts under her father Joseph (Id Number 30 Pages 59 and 60)'s biography, Sally is child Id number vi) on Page 60.

Birth, Marriage, and Death Details ? SALLY, b. in Mass. 18 Sept. 1777; d. 4 Aug. 1846; m. in Montgomery Co., N. Y. (or near Marcellus, N. Y.), 18 Dec. 1796, PHIILIP HODGES, b. in N. Y., 12 Dec. 1775, drowned in Seneca Lake, N. Y., 27 May 1825

Residence with PhillipHe (meaning Phillip) was in Camillus, N. Y., in the 1810 Federal Census with a family of 2 adults and 5 children (Family papers of the late R. Z. Hopkins & Diaries of Duane Dorr Hodges from Florence H. Barclay). To read more about R.Z Hopkins, Duane Dorr, and Florence Barclay go to the section of this profile labelledArea 4 SPECIAL MENTION: DOCUMENTS and RESEARCHERS

Children (surname Hodges), born in the Camillus-Marcellus Van Buren area of Onondaga Co., N. Y.:

1. Lorena, b. 9 Nov. 1797; d. in Saginaw, Mich., in 1871; m. Martin Morley.
2. Joseph, b. 14 June 1800; d. in Burton, Geauga Co., 0., 29 Jan. 1890; m. Electa Clapp.
3. Betsy, b. 8 Oct. 1802; d. in New Hudson, Mich., 8 Aug. 1836; m. Orlando Gurnee.
4. Nathaniel, b. 12 Feb. 1805; m. --.
5. Warren Babbitt, b. 16 Sept. 1808; d. New Hudson, Mich., 6 Oct. 1892; m. Mandanna, N. Y., 19 Oct. 1834, Mary Jones; their son was Duane Dorr Hodges whose Diaries are referred to above.
6. Allen, b. 7 March 1811; d. Milford, Mich., 3 Oct. 1856; m. 21 Feb. 1833 Aurilla Bridgeman.
7. Schuyler, b . .30 June 1813; d. 16 July 1814.
8. Norman Wheaton, b. 30 July 1815; d. in Livingston Co., Mich., in April 1865; m. (1) 19 Oct. 1836 Nancy Ann Aschman, m. (2) --.
9. Earl (1818–1837)- suggested but not proven

Residence in 1840 Living with her son Allen.^[4]

Death, Burial, and Wills Sally passed away in 1846. (See attached Family Record Image) Her burial location is not known.

Area 4 SPECIAL MENTION: RESEARCHERS AND DOCUMENTS

Background Information in Volume 1 of the book The Descendants of Andrew Ford.... by Stewart

1. Preface- Most of the material in this book was originally published by the New England Historic Genealogical Society in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume CXIX, January, 1965, through Volume CXX, January, 1966.
2. The compiler acknowledges her indebtedness to the many members of the family and to friends who have contributed to the genealogy; also to those unknown benefactors whose respect for history caused them to gather and preserve the numerous records used in composing this book.
3. Page 1- There is no genealogy of the entire family, but material on it has been presented in several genealogies (see text for lists of genealogies as well as in text citations throughout the book.

RESEARCHERS connected to the Andrew Ford history and books

1. Elizabeth Cobb Stewart - compiler
2. Florence H. Barclay) - Mrs Barclay was a noted genealogist

Questions related to the above researchers:

1. What triggered the change in text from Sally ID number VI born 1777 and married to Phillip Hodges to Sarah ID number VI baptized 12 Sep 1779 and first married to Isaac Edson?
2. Are there any records that would give a clear indication of why the text was changed? Has anyone tried looking for it- possibly through correspondence related to the various editions?
3. In the revised text, after writing about Sarah, the authors included notes mentioning Sally - and therefore are writing about 2 different individuals - not a person called "Sarah Sally". Refer to the attached Image labelled Analysis of how Sally Ford Hodges and her sister Sarah Ford Edson evolved through revisions to become Sarah Sally

RESEARCHERS connected to the Hodges Family

1. Duane Door Hodges Hodges-11920- Sally and Phillip's grandson via their son Warren Babbit - see his profile for more details
2. R. Z. Hopkins (aka Richard Zubil Hopkins) Hopkins-21228- great great great grandson of Sally and Phillip via their son Wayne, his son Duane, his daughter Ada.
3. Mr Richard L Ashmun - Hodges Descendant - see Letters below and attached as an Image to this profile
4. Mrs Goldsmith Cummingtin Historical Society - See Letters below and attached as an Image to this profile

DOCUMENTS

1. (Family papers of the late R. Z. Hopkins
2. Diaries of Duane Dorr Hodges from
3. Family Bible Pages - see Image attached to this profile
4. Family History Page - see Image attached to this profile that includes birth and death dates
5. Letters - see Image attached to this profile and summary below

Summary of the 4 letters

The senders were:

1. Mr Richard L Ashmun - descended from
2. Mrs Goldsmith Cummington Historical Society

1. Nov 1996 (Bottom Left Green Paper) - Mr Asmun writes to Mrs Goldsmith seeking birth information on Sally Ford
2. Feb 13- 1997 (Bottom Right Pink Paper)_Mrs Goldsmith replies - and her replies are vital as they explain that there are no records for Sally and the reason is that the records were not kept at that time. She also provides information that Joseph Ford had moved
3. May 1997 (Top Left Pink Paper)- Mr Ashmun writes seeking information for Sarah, Jacob, Molly, and Anna and the records about Joseph Ford moving from Abington to Cummington
4. June 1997 (Top Right Pink Paper) Mrs Goldsmith confirms records sent .

Conclusion: Unlike some of her siblings whose births/baptisms were recorded in the Cummington records, family researchers, in particular Richard L Asmun of Pleasant Hill, Pennsylvania obtained evidence that no record was available for the period when she -SALLY- was born -

How was Richard L Ashmun connected to the Hodges?

Richard was a direct line descendant of Sally and Phillip through their daughter Lorena Ford Morley whose daughter Nancy married into the Ashman (aka ASHMUN) family.

Note Mr. Ashmun was a Life Member of American Legion Post # 446, VFW Post # 3360, the Slovak-American Sportsman Club of Hecla, Moose Lodge # 1151, Greensburg and the Pennsylvania Mayflower Society. Mr. Ashmun was also a Life member of the National Society, PA Society and the General Arthur St. Clair Chapter, Greensburg, National Sons of the American Revolution,. He held various positions in the organization including National Vice President, General for the Mid Atlantic District, National Trustee, National Vice Chairman of the ROTC/JROTC Committee, PA State President and PA State Genealogist & Chapter President, and served on many other committees. ^[5]

Carroll Andrew Edson

Sources

1. ↑ Book Details located at: The Descendants of Andrew Ford of Weymouth, Massachusetts Vol 1-Compiled by ELIZABETH COBB STEWART 3 v. PAGE COUNT 173 OWNING INSTITUTION Sacramento California FamilySearch Library PUBLISHER DIGITAL FamilySearch International ACCESS LEVEL Public located at: https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/601183-the-descendants-of-andrew-ford-of-weymouth-massachusetts-pt-1
2. ↑ Edson's Book Details located at: Edson family history and genealogy : descendants of Samuel Edson of Salem and Bridgewater, Mass. Volume 2, Chapter 25, Pages 641 Heading John 5 Edson Fifth Generation ID Number 202 and Page 642 Heading Sixth Generation Isaac 202-1. located at: Ancestry. com. Edson family history and genealogy : descendants of Samuel Edson of Salem and Bridgewater, Mass. [database on-line]. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005. Original data: Edson, Carroll Andrew,. Edson family history and genealogy : descendants of Samuel Edson of Salem and Bridgewater, Mass.. Ann Arbor, Mich.: Lithographed by Edwards Bros., 1969?.
3. ↑ The Descendants of Andrew Ford of Weymouth, Massachusetts Vol 1-Compiled by ELIZABETH COBB STEWART 3 v. PAGE COUNT 173 OWNING INSTITUTION Sacramento California FamilySearch Library PUBLISHER DIGITAL FamilySearch International ACCESS LEVEL Public located at: https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/601183-the-descendants-of-andrew-ford-of-weymouth-massachusetts-pt-1
4. ↑ Proof being Allen C Hodges listed as living in Oceoli, Livingston, Michigan with a number of males and females including Free White Persons - Females - 60 thru 69 -1 most likely his mother Sally and not his mother-in -law in the 1840 United States Federal Census located at: https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/3583474:8057?ssrc=pt&tid=29568615&pid=12196585374
5. ↑ Extract from his Obituary - died 6 October 2013 https://galone-carusofuneralhome.com/tribute/details/249/Richard-Ashmun/obituary.html

• Unsourced family tree handed down to P Hodges.

• The Descendants of Andrew Ford of Weymouth, Massachusetts Vol 1-Compiled by ELIZABETH COBB STEWART 3 v. PAGE COUNT 173 OWNING INSTITUTION Sacramento California FamilySearch Library PUBLISHER DIGITAL FamilySearch International ACCESS LEVEL Public located at: https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/601183-the-descendants-of-andrew-ford-of-weymouth-massachusetts-pt-1

• NEHGS Vol 137 pages.. 42..43..and 44 Hodges Bible inscriptions. Seems Sally may have been born before the 1st Congressional Church was organized in Sept 1779.

• Sally Ford marriage to Phillip Hodges 1796 in the U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 located at: https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/422766:7836 tid=&pid=&queryId=36559e13-757b-4948-9d94 f75156ebab5f&_phsrc=yYR745&_phstart=successSource

• 1840 Census - Sally living with son- Allen C Hodges listed as living in Oceoli, Livingston, Michigan with a number of males and females including Free White Persons - Females - 60 thru 69 -1 most likely his mother Sally and not his mother-in -law in the 1840 United States Federal Census located at: https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/3583474:8057?ssrc=pt&tid=29568615&pid=12196585374

• Edson family history and genealogy : descendants of Samuel Edson of Salem and Bridgewater, Mass. Volume 2, Chapter 25, Pages 641 Heading John 5 Edson Fifth Generation ID Number 202 and Page 642 Heading Sixth Generation Isaac 202-1. located at: Ancestry. com. Edson family history and genealogy : descendants of Samuel Edson of Salem and Bridgewater, Mass. [database on-line]. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005. Original data: Edson, Carroll Andrew,. Edson family history and genealogy : descendants of Samuel Edson of Salem and Bridgewater, Mass.. Ann Arbor, Mich.: Lithographed by Edwards Bros., 1969?.

• Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/246792998/sally-hodges: accessed 12 November 2023), memorial page for Sally Ford Hodges (18 Sep 1777–4 Aug 1846), Find a Grave Memorial ID 246792998; Burial Details Unknown, Unknown; Maintained by PHF (contributor 48627859).

• Mayflower Society Application Database: "Community Trees," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:QVQB-CHZ : accessed 27 November 2021), entry for Sarah (Sally) Ford, cites sources; "Mayflower Pilgrim Genealogies" file (2:2:2:MMXD-DP8), submitted 24 February 2020 by FamilySearch.

• Richard Leighton Ashmun, Membership Application to the General Society of Mayflower Descendants (Plymouth, Massachusetts and Salt Lake City, Utah 2019) - (See attached Image of 4 Letters)

See also:

• Mayflower Families Fifth Generation Descendants, 1700-1880. (Online database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2017). From Mayflower Families Through Five Generations: Descendants of the Pilgrims who landed at Plymouth, Mass., December 1620. Plymouth, MA: General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 1975-2015. [1]

Jacob FORD grandfather of Sarah (Ford) Hodges (1777-1846)

Death 6/9/1794

Location Abington, Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States

Original Text Gen. 5: 912. JACOB FORD5 (Mercy Reed4, Esther Tomson3, Mary Cooke2, Francis Cooke1)

Spouse Sarah Ford

Father Ford

Mother Mercy Reed

Volume Name Cooke, Francis (Vol. 12) Page 561

Acknowledgements

2019 Patricia Hodges created Sally (Ford) Hodges (1777-1846) and provided family documents.