Can anyone help with this Philetus Bates Profile, please?

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While I realize that this profile does not follow the usual WikiTree standards, I really didn't know how else to put it together. Everything I know and have been able to find is in the profile...I haven't created profiles for either wife yet, because as I stated in the profile, I don't know if one or the other, or both are is his wife/wives. I have loads of information with references to add for the 2nd wife mentioned, (in particular about her marriage to Lyman Flanders). I have a little bit of info on the first wife mentioned. I have searched Ancestry.com, FamilySearch.org, Military Records 5 different ways...I just can't find anything else to help make an accurate conclusion in order to write a complete biography (birth, baptism/religion, accurate marriage info, death). HELP??? (PLEASE)

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Yep, have that one, too, just doesn't go in Philetus's profile because he "apparently/allegedly" died by then...as I said in the profile, I haven't created her profile yet because, I am still not certain of the things that I said I'm not certain of in the profile...

And as I said, or thought I said...I have LOTS of stuff on Lovina...she's not really the problem...the problem with her...sort of is...who is George Franklin Bates biological father? I haven't been able to find a date of death for Lyman Flanders either...

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Got that :)

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Don't have the will on Henry Taylor...everything takes me to Ancestry Library Edition...I'm at home...I'll see if I can find it on Ancestry...but if it doesn't tell me anything about PHILETUS BATES it doesn't help me with the current problem.

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Have that too.

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Nothing in Henry H Taylor's will that refers to Lovina/Lavina/Sovina/Lavinia/Linne/Louisa (nee Taylor, Flanders) Bates or Philetus Bates. I did see this will yesterday.

Answer 1

Philetus Bates

United States Census, 1870

Name	Philetus Bates
Event Type	Census
Event Year	1870
Event Place	Iowa, United States
Gender	Male
Age	48
Race	White
Race (Original)	W
Birth Year (Estimated)	1821-1822
Birthplace	Ohio
Page Number	2

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Philetus Bates		M	48	Ohio
Lovina Bates		F	50	Ohio
George E Bates		M	4	Iowa
Lyman B Flanders		M	19	Vermont
Marrian E Flanders		F	17	Vermont
Esther Flanders		F	11	Iowa
Harriet E Flanders		F	8	Iowa

View the original document. The original may contain more information than was indexed.

United States Census, 1870

Household ID	10
Line Number	12
Affiliate Name	The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number	M593
GS Film number	000545916
Digital Folder Number	004263719
Image Number	00628

Citing this Record

"United States Census, 1870," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDVT-C2R : 12 April 2016), Philetus Bates, Iowa, United States; citing p. 2, family 10, NARA microfilm publication M593 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 545,916.

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That information (minus the children) is already in the profile, and I cited my reason for not including the wives, or children, as yet in the profile...and the 1870 US Census you gave me is #3 in the references in the profile. Thanks for trying Frank Gill :)

Answer 2

Philetus Bates

mentioned in the record of Philetus Bates and Sarah M. Isbell

Name	Philetus Bates
Spouse's Name	Sarah M. Isbell
Spouse's Birth Date	1831
Spouse's Age	18
Event Date	17 Oct 1849
Event Place	Lake, Ohio
Spouse's Mother's Name	Ami Isbell

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Ohio Marriages, 1800-1958

Indexing Project (Batch) Number	M02355-8
System Origin	Ohio-EASy
GS Film number	974915
Reference ID	p. 289, Marr

Citing this Record

"Ohio Marriages, 1800-1958," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XD4W-B9K : 8 December 2014), Philetus Bates and Sarah M. Isbell, 17 Oct 1849; citing Lake, Ohio, reference p. 289, Marr; FHL microfilm 974,915.

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This one is better because it has a photo attached, and you can see that there is NO age attached to it...and I went to this one straight from the profile that this link is already in.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6LL3-G9J?i=192&cc=1614804

Also, on Ancestry they have the following https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/61378/TH-266-12351-102552-56/3361335

which says that Philetus was at least 21 years of age and that Sarah was 14 (hand written in, in tiny print) and it was signed by her sister Ami.

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1st link is to the record, the second shows the application for the license.

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All of my responses are starting to go into the wrong things...So I'm going to sum it it here...I've seen pretty much everything there is to see on Lovina (nee Taylor, Flanders) Bates (including the following spellings of her first name 1) Lovina, 2) Lavina, 3) Lavinia, 4) Linnie, 5) Sovina, and 6) Louisa), I am aware that Lovina Taylor married "a" Philetus Bates on 02 Jan 1865, I am also aware that "a" Philetus Bates married Sarah M Isabell on 17 Oct 1849...

And I know everyone is doing their best to help me, which I very much appreciate. But what I need help with is listed in Philetus's profile...and I'm getting the impression that putting his profile in the original posting of my question was pointless. I assumed that we are suppose to include that so people could actually look at what we have or see what it is that we are looking for. Did I misunderstand the point of including that information?

I do realize that other than the 1850 and 1870 US Census and the two marriage records is all I have in the profile...but as I've said elsewhere in this thread...I know that Lovina was married to Lyman Flanders prior to marrying Philetus (it's obvious on the 1870 US Census from the last names of the children that are not George E (not correct middle initial) Bates. I found ALL of the children, birth, death, marriage...I'm looking for date of death for Lyman Flanders so I know who the biological father of my Great Grandfather George Franklin Bates is. I have his marriage record that states that Lovina is his mother...so there is no question there, and while that his father is listed as "Lee Bates" there is the matter that he was born 18 days after Philetus married Lovina. I kinda feel like I need to just copy and paste all of what I have in Philetus's profile...because I'm just repeating myself.

I mean no disrespect to anyone, I promise...just trying to help you help me. I pray I'm coming across that way. 

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Oh, and it's not Kattie Flanders (Bates)...it's a fancy H for Hattie Flanders (Bates) {The (Bates) is written underneath.}