Who was the wife (or wives) of Richard Tyner?

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Can anyone find an actual record that names the wife (or wives) of Richard Tyner, Revolutionary War veteran who died in Elbert, Georgia in 1824?  There are claims that he had a first wife named Elizabeth (Eliza Jane Abbey per FamilySearch) and a second named Agnes (possibly Dougherty) but there does not appear to be any contemporaneous record for any wife by name or date. 

The Internet frequently conflates him with a Cherokee man known as “Black Haw” and his wife Agnes Dougherty.  They are totally different people; the Cherokee Agnes Dougherty was born in 1818. 

There is a family story that Richard’s family was attacked by Creek Indians, that his wife and a child were killed and two daughters taken captive.   See the unsourced “Official History of Elbert County, Georgia” published by the DAR in 1940  The official history of Elbert County, 1790-1935  (familysearch.org)  and other unsourced "histories" of the area.  I could not find any contemporaneous account that supports this story. 

In 1821 Richard filed a claim with the state of Georgia for property losses to the Creeks “in time of the old Revolutionary War…”  He made no mention of the loss of a wife or children. https://vault.georgiaarchives.org/digital/collection/FileIINames/id/69983/rec/3

Richard’s DAR entry (Ancestor #: A060464) does not name a wife.

Most early Georgia census records have been lost although Richard appears on land records, tax records, as a juryman, etc. so he was clearly in the same area from about 1784 until his death.  

 The 1820 U.S. Census enumerates a male over 45 and a male 25-44.  No women.

 Richard made his will in September 1824. He did not name or mention a wife.  He named sons and daughters Abigail Crittendon, Richard Tyner, Jr. , Harris, Samuel, May (Begley?), Tamar Hunt, Joshua, Francis McGuire, Noah (or his heirs), Elizabeth Boatright, Martha Bird, Agnes Crump. Harris and the children of Charity Bird (deceased daughter?) were to equally share his enslaved people, stock, furniture, etc. 

Just to complicate life Richard has two profiles here (Tyner-39) and (Tyner-662), wife Eliza/Elizabeth is (Harmon-7664) and (Abbey-1028), and wife Agnes is (Unknown-571034) and (Dougherty-2163)

WikiTree profile: Richard Tyner
in Genealogy Help by Kathie Forbes G2G6 Pilot (869k points)
Lacking a response from anyone-- here or on the profile itself-- for two months, I suggests we rename one of the wife's profiles Unknown Unknown and merge the other two into her.

Edited to add: one of the three current wives attached is already an Unknown; we could merge the two others into her.

Alternatively, we leave two wives-- the supposed first and the supposed second-- because if we don't, someone will come along and recreate her.
I think one wife really was named Agnes based on c. 1900 statements by descendants so I would keep her and merge the other two into one unknown woman for the theoretical first wife.
Agnes or Sookie? (After posting my comment, I saw the comment on one of the profiles-- or perhaps another g2g-- where "Sookie" was named as an ancestor.)
My gut feeling is that “Sookie” is part of the more recent attempts to make her Cherokee.  I think her name really was Agnes, but we can put “Sookie” as a nickname.

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Elizabeth Jane Harmon was Richard’s first wife killed in the Creek Indian raid. He then married Agnes Dougherty. I am a direct descendant of Richard Tyner. This information can be found in Georgia public records.
by Jimmy Lewis G2G6 Mach 1 (11.2k points)
Can you please cite the record that names the wife?
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Richard Tyner’s wife is listed on his find a grave memorial ID 48688571 and Elizabeth Harmony find a grave memorial ID 149309755. Georgia, US Compiled marriages, Ancestry.com Ga,US,compiled marriages, 1754-1850 Provo, UT,USA Operations Inc1997. Richard married Elizabeth Harmon 31 May 1821 Elbert Georgia. www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/tyner Re:Richard Tyner, Agnes Crump, Charity Purcell                  Tyner DNA Study , Geneanet Community Trees: Elizabeth  Jane Harmon
by Jimmy Lewis G2G6 Mach 1 (11.2k points)
None of those is an actual contemporaneous record.  The marriage cited is for Richard's son, also named Richard.  We are looking for the wife supposedly killed by Indians in the 1780's.
Which Richard Tyner are you referring to? The only Richard Tyner that had a wife killed by Indians was first married to Elizabeth Jane Harmon. She was killed in 1778 or 1779.
We are searching for any document from the 1700's that names either of Richard's supposed wives.  A claim from the 1890's provides the name of wife as Agnes, but the person who provided that name never knew either Richard or his wife.  Where is there an 18th century record that names Elizabeth Harmon or connects her as the wife of Richard and the person supposedly killed by Creek Indians during the Revolutionary War?

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