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Richard Tyner (abt. 1740 - 1824)

Richard [uncertain] Tyner
Born about in Colony of Virginiamap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married 1760 in Johnston, Province of North Carolinamap
Husband of — married 1761 (to 1779) in Johnston, Province of North Carolinamap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 84 in Elbert County, Georgia, USAmap
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Biography

There are no records for the origin or birth of Richard Tyner. A previous version of this profile attached as parents, without any source, John Harris Tyner and Sarah Adair. Until a reliable source can be found, they have been detached.

His DAR entry says that he was born in Virginia in 1740, [1] other trees say he was born in North or South Carolina. The 1820 U.S. Census only lists him as "over 45." [2]

Richard Tyner is listed as a militiaman from Wilkes County, serving at the Battle of Kettle Creek in February, 1779. [3] For his service he received a land grant in Wilkes County, Georgia (this area became Elbert County in 1790) in 1784 for Revolutionary War service. [4] Richard appears on a 1791-1793 jury list in Elbert County. [5] He was a "fortunate drawer" in the Georgia Land Lottery of 1806, receiving additional land in Elbert County. [6]

He is included in an 1815 tax record in Elbert County, but the only census record that seems to include him is the 1820 U.S. Census in Elbert County (cited above). In 1821 Richard filed a claim for compensation for propertly lost to the Creek Indians during the Revolutionary War. [7]

Richard made his will in September, 1824. He named sons and daughters Abigail Crittendon, Richard Tyner, Jr. , Harris, Samuel, May (Begley?), Tamar Hunt, Joshua, Francis McGuire, Noah (or his heirs) Elizabeth Boatright, Martha Bird, Agnes Crump. Harris and the children of daughter Charity Bird were to equally share his enslaved people, stock, furniture, etc. [8] [9]

Children ( all named in will, need add'l sources for birth dates):

  1. Abigail (Crittenden) 1786-1856(?) Find-a-Grave says without documentation this is the correct person. [10]
  2. Charity (Bird)[11]
  3. Frances (McGuire)
  4. Harris, (b. bef. 1776, d. 1844 [12]
  5. Joshua,
  6. Mary/May (Riley)
  7. Noah (died before Feb,1827, his share of the estate went to his heirs),
  8. Richard, Jr. (b. aft. 1775) [13]
  9. Samuel (died before Feb, 1827, his share of the estate went to his heirs)
  10. Tamar (Hunt) (1768- 1840)[14]
  11. Elizabeth (Boatright)
  12. Agnes (Crump)
  13. Martha (Bird)

Research Notes

No wife is named in any record.

Was he the Richard of North Carolina or Richard of South Carolina (or both)?

North Carolina: Richard Tyner received a grant of 700 acres in Johnston County in 1761. [15] This land was supposedly sold in 1769. [citation needed] There is supposedly a Bible record for son Joshua stating that Joshua was born in Johnston County, N.C. in 1769.

South Carolina: Richard Tyner received 150 acres in Granville County, S.C. in 1769 . [16] A 1780 Jury list from Ninety-six District includes Richard Tyner, of "Rocky River." [17]

No record includes name "William" this may be a conflation with a Revolutionary War soldier by that name from North Carolina. [18]
There are multiple stories regarding the attack on the family by Creek Indians. [19] [20] that seem to originate from George White's "Historical Collections of Georgia," from 1858. [21] This story is repeated in The Official History of Elbert County, Georgia.[22] Richard filed a claim for compensation, so clearly there was an attack. However, he made no mention of the deaths of a wife or children. [23] Other Tyner families have a story of an Indian attack and the death and/or capture of family members.

Disproven Spouse

There is no connection to the Cherokee woman Agnes Dougherty born about 1818 who cannot possibly be the wife of a man who died in 1824. This confusion seems to arise from James Hicks' Cherokee lineages web site which contains the following: "AGNES5 DOUGHERTY, b. Abt. 1818; m. BLACK HAW; b. Abt. 1816. Notes for BLACK HAW: Other sources have a Sookie Dougherty marrying a Richard Tyner and that Richard lived on the edge of Black Haw Swamp. Could Richard Tyner be aka Black Haw?" [24]

There is no documentation to support Hicks' suggestion, and the couple in Hicks' tree lived in the 19th century, not the 18th. There is nothing to suggest that the man in this profile was ever called "Black Hawk" or "Black Haw."


Sources

  1. DAR Patriot #A060464
  2. "United States Census, 1820," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHLW-67R : accessed 27 August 2021), Richard Tyner, Christian, Elbert, Georgia, United States; citing p. 163, NARA microfilm publication M33, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 8; FHL microfilm 175,767.
  3. Stirring Up the Hornet’s Nest. Lamar Institute, Savannah, Georgia, 2009. militia
  4. https://vault.georgiaarchives.org/digital/collection/platindex/id/34750/rec/5
  5. Lamar and Rothstein, compilers. The Reconstructed 1790 Census of Georgia (digitized at Ancestry.com) Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD., 1989. p. 89
  6. "Georgia, Headright and Bounty Land Records, 1783-1909", database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:C3MX-4J6Z : 2 March 2021), Richard Tyner, 1809.
  7. claim
  8. Georgia, Elbert County, Estate Records; Author: Georgia. Inferior Court (Elbert County); Probate Place: Elbert, Georgia Description: Estates, Tyner, Ida W-Upshaw, Leroy Ancestry.com. Georgia, U.S., Wills and Probate Records, 1742-1992 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015. Original data: Georgia County, District and Probate Courts.
  9. returns of estates, 1825, receipt to Wm. Boatright in right of his wife, Elizabeth, of John Bird in right of his wife Martha B. and of Elijah Bird gdn of Sarah, Martha, Nancy, and Mary Bird orphans of Billings and Charity Bird. Historical collections of the Georgia chapters, Daughters of the American Revolution. Atlanta, Ga.: C.P. Byrd, state printer, 1926. Vol. III, p. 113. digitized at Ancestry.
  10. Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/160193487/abigail-crittenden : accessed 28 August 2021), memorial page for Abigail Tyner Crittenden (1786–1856), Find a Grave Memorial ID 160193487, citing Kirk Chapel Cemetery, Spring Valley, Colbert County, Alabama, USA ; Maintained by Anna Popejoy (contributor 47516150) .
  11. "Georgia, County Marriages, 1785-1950," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXJV-WDV : 7 February 2020), Billons Bird and Charity Tiner, 5 Feb 1815; citing Marriage, Elbert, Georgia, United States, Georgia Department of Archives and History, Morrow, FHL microfilm 209,539.
  12. "United States Census, 1820," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHLW-68K : accessed 28 August 2021), Harris Tyner, Christian, Elbert, Georgia, United States; citing p. 166, NARA microfilm publication M33, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 8; FHL microfilm 175,767. (will at Ancestry)
  13. "United States Census, 1820," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHLW-67R : accessed 28 August 2021), Richard Tyner, Christian, Elbert, Georgia, United States; citing p. 163, NARA microfilm publication M33, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 8; FHL microfilm 175,767.
  14. Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/41035803/mary-tamar-hunt : accessed 28 August 2021), memorial page for Mary Tamar Tyner Hunt (1768–1840), Find a Grave Memorial ID 41035803, citing Hunt Cemetery, Dewy Rose, Elbert County, Georgia, USA ; Maintained by familyfinder (contributor 48487341) .
  15. https://nclandgrants.com/grant/?mars=12.14.78.810&qid=685996&rn=1 land
  16. Tyner, Richard, Plat For 150 Acres In Granville County. Date: 7/29/1769, Colonial Plat Books (Copy Series) (S213184). Digitized at http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/.
  17. Jury Lists, 1778, Acts #1057 (at SC Archives); Page Number: 4; Family Number: 9, transcript at Ancestry.com
  18. "United States Rosters of Revolutionary War Soldiers and Sailors, 1775-1783," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG2M-RDZ8 : 1 March 2021), William Tyner, 01 Aug 1782; citing Military Service, North Carolina, United States, Citing various published state rosters, United States; FHL microfilm 102229235.
  19. Noah
  20. Smith
  21. White, George, Historical collections of Georgia. Pudney and Rummel, New York, 1858. p. 500. digitized at Archive.org White
  22. The History of Elbert County,1750-1935, published by the Stephen Heard Chapter of the DAR (1940), pp 30-31, 35, 94-95, 216, 278; see in particular: p 94 (image 105)
  23. claim
  24. https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0009-0013.html#IND9133REF18

See also:

  • Find A Grave: Memorial #48688571 Memorial only, no grave or marker
  • "United States Rosters of Revolutionary War Soldiers and Sailors, 1775-1783," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG2M-RDZ8 : 1 March 2021), William Tyner, 01 Aug 1782; citing Military Service, North Carolina, United States, Citing various published state rosters, United States; FHL microfilm 102229235.
  • "United States Rosters of Revolutionary War Soldiers and Sailors, 1775-1783," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q5W9-HZ6K : 1 March 2021), William Tyner, 5 Jun 1785; citing Military Service, United States, Citing various published state rosters, United States; FHL microfilm 103140766.
  • United States War of 1812 Index to Service Records, 1812-1815, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q292-M4NX : 8 March 2021), Richard Tyner, 1812-1815; citing NARA microfilm publication M602 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); roll 213; FHL microfilm 882,731.
  • "United States Registers of Enlistments in the U.S. Army, 1798-1914," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJD5-KWPV : 3 March 2021), William Tayner, 18 Apr 1813; citing p. 145, volume 023, , , , United States, NARA microfilm publication M233 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 12; FHL microfilm 350,318.
  • "United States Census, 1820," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHLX-BT7 : accessed 22 November 2021), William Tener, Wilkinson, Georgia, United States; citing p. 207, NARA microfilm publication M33, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 9; FHL microfilm 175,768.




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So Richard was alleged to have been born in Virginia. He appears, according to DNA of 3 (a confident contingent?) descendants, to not be related to Nicholas Tyner. Have to look at that group again. If Sarah was his relative, a Y test wouldn’t show that anyway. I’ve compared my mothers aDNA with a few of those descendants listed here at 4cM (some higher) and there are results suggesting a relation. He appears in Johnston and Granville Counties, NC, then SC(?), then Elbert County. So whose Tyner is he? My mother, and hence I, seem to also be related to those Harris folks. This seems to be a fascinating story. I wish I could devote more time to it.
posted by Maurice Allison Jr
Thank you for the information Maurice!
posted by Jimmy Lewis
Richard is on the reconstructed 1790 Georgia census on page 89, as a juror in Elbert County.
posted by Maurice Allison Jr
Added information to profile with source.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Profile managers, please read the g2g post at https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1697679/who-was-the-wife-or-wives-of-richard-tyner- Which seeks to identify the sources for the names of the wives of Richard Tyner.

That he had a wife is suggested by the number of children named in Richard's will.

That he had two wives is suggested in an unsourced 1929 History of Columbus, Georgia-- that the first was killed in an Indian attack; and the second he married about 1779. Book online at https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/695664-a-history-of-columbus-georgia-1828-1928

CORRECTION: The above book does not mention the second wife and second set of children-- only the first wife and the Indian raid (and abduction of two daughters).

EDITED TO ADD: "Memorials of Georgia, vol 1, p 82 repeats the above story. Again, no mention of subsequent wife of children. https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/509429/?offset=0#page=79&viewer=picture&o=search&n=0&q=Tyner

posted by Jillaine Smith
edited by Jillaine Smith
Profile is now merged but parents and wives need to be resolved. No documentation for any parents or wives.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Tyner-662 and Tyner-39 appear to represent the same person because: These are clearly meant to be the same man. No record of the name "William" all records say only Richard. Middle names were not common at the time he was born.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
edited by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Stephanie Kilcullen, you recently merged a profile that brought some new wives. And then added many children. Is it possible we've now got a profile that conflates two different families?
posted by Jillaine Smith
Are you referring to Richard Tyner on this page? I have always had 3 wives. I merged Elizabeth. The Elizabeth I merged does appear to be correct. She is married to Richard Tyner and her children seem to match children listed in the accounts given for the Indian rain. This Elizabeth dies in an Indian raid as well. Children were added that had been missing but many are listed in the Indian raid accounts as well as his will. Do you have information that leads you to believe this is incorrect?
Please read all the comments below from Kathie Forbes; she's found no record that names any wife of Richard Tyner. That he had at least one is inferred by his documented children. But her name is not shown in contemporaneous documents. And there appears to be documentation for only six children.

Please provide sources for the named wives and all the children you've added. Also for deaths from the raid. Many thanks.

posted by Jillaine Smith
I have read her comments. There are many so it is helpful to be specific. You had written I added more wives. There were always 3. 1 I agree should not be there so I have change her name to unknown. I don't think I can do anything else and I did change it under your suggestion. When I look at the other 2 wives, I see different people as managers. I don't really want to change something showing someone else as manager although I agree there are issues. I merged because they are shown as married to Richard Tyner and the children seem to match up so if I were to disconnect and add unknown wives and the children, there would be a different problem here but still a problem. Children in 2 times with different mothers. I added children because I did find these children attached with references to an Indian attack and it was sourced. More children are also named in his will.

Here are references that have books as sources for Indian attack https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/22823/images/dvm_LocHist008506-00007-0?treeid=79584272&personid=34479010603&hintid=1023373606054&usePUB=true&_phsrc=cJX238&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true&pId=10 source A history of Columbus, Georgia : 1828-1928 [database on-line]. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005. Original data: Telfair, Nancy.. A history of Columbus, Georgia : 1828-1928. Columbus, Ga.: Historical Pub. Co., c192

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/22823/images/dvm_LocHist008506-00007-0?treeid=79584272&personid=34479010603&hintid=1023373606054&usePUB=true&_phsrc=cJX238&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true&pId=10 source "CHEROKEE BY BLOOD" Record of Eastern Cherokee Ancestry in U. S. Volume 3, Pages 423 & 424

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/79584272/person/34479010603/hints source Historical Collections of Georgia, published by the DAR. pgs 440-441, and Memoirs of Georgia pg 82-83, 1895

I don't know if the issue maybe they are books? The information is in more than one.

14 children are listed in the Wills and Probate record. Source Information Ancestry.com. Georgia, U.S., Wills and Probate Records, 1742-1992 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015. Original data: Georgia County, District and Probate Courts.

I appreciate her research and I have tried to fix the problems that I am manager of.

Thanks, Stefanie. Very helpful and much appreciated.

Perhaps you and Kathie-- since you both have access to Ancestry.com -- could incorporate this info into the bio, quoting the relevant bits since most of us don't have access.

Sorry about my confusion about the # of children. I see Kathie has also listed them from the willin a comment below that I hadn't yet read.

We still need to attend to the named wives... I'll take a look...

posted by Jillaine Smith
The books cited are not documented, they just repeat stories someone was told. The link to "Cherokee by Blood" doesn't go to that book. It should go to a transcript/abstract of an Eastern Cherokee application. If someone has the name and/or application number I can find it elsewhere. The DAR lists no wife/wives for Richard.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
My 5th great grandparents are William Richard "Black Hawk" Tyner (1740-1824) and Agnes Dougherty Tyner (1750-1820), through their daughter Elizabeth Lyles Tyner Boatright. Several DNA matches have different names for Agnes, i.e. Emerson, Davidson, McDaniel, etc. my records have a history of Egbert County, Georgia stating Tyner married secondly an Agnes Dougherty. My 2x great grandmother, Pernetta Cornelia Ginn McVey, a descendant of Elizabeth Lyles Tyner Boatright through Agnes and Tyner, recounted stories of her great aunt Tamar's harrowing experience being taken in by Creek who raided their home. Family lore has it that Agnes had a Native parent, but also that Richard Tyner's mother was of Native American heritage. Whether the Cherokee tales are accurate or not, my DNA matches all lead to the same line, which is Tyner and Agnes. I did not have Susannah as part of her name in my personal tree, but did have "Sookie" and "Su Gi" as names she went by during different stages in her life. Sookie was a common nick name, though Su Gi was supposedly where some thought a Native American term. I know my DNA doesn't indicate full relationships with Tyner's first wife's descendants, lower CMs.
posted by Janice (Cannon) Witt
From Historical Collections of Georgia, published by the DAR. pgs 440-441, and Memoirs of Georgia pg 82-83, 1895, the following information is provided.

At the time Richard Tyner and his young family settled in northern Georgia, the King of England had been appointed John Reynolds captain-general and governor-in-chief of his majesty's province of Georgia. Citizens in the upper part of the state wrote many letters explaining that the French have made in seducing the Creek Indians drawing them to their interests. People were abandoning settlements and moving to Augusta and nearby towns for safety. It was during this time of unrest the following occurred. In 17--, there lived upon the banks of Coody's Creek, in the flat woods, in what is now called Elbert County, Mr. Richard Tyner, a poor, though respectable man. During his absence one day, a party of savages attacked his house. They immediately killed Mrs. Tyner. They then seized the youngest child, and dashed out its brains against a tree. Another child they scalped, and left it for dead. A little boy, the son of Mr. Tyner, named Noah, amidst the confusion escaped the notice of the Indians, and crept into a hollow tree, which for may years afterwards was known by the name of Noah's Ark. An elder son of Mr. Tyner fled to the Savannah River, and was pursued by some of the Indians, but he effected his escape. Mary and Tamar, the daughters of Mr. Tyner, the Indians carried off to the Coweta Towns. There they remained for several years, when an Indian trader named John Manack purchased Mary, who returned with him to the county of Elbert, and became his wife. When he returned to the Indian nations he offered to purchase Tamar, but the Indians refused to sell her. The main employment of Tamar was to bring wood. Upon a certain occasion, an old Indian woman informed her that her captors, suspecting that she was trying to escape, had resolved to burn her alive. The feelings of the poor girl can be better imagined than described. She determined at all risks to escape. The Indian woman supplied her with provisions and a canoe, accompanied with directions how to proceed down the Chattahoochee River. Bidding adieu to her benefactress Tamar Launched her canoe, and commenced her perilous voyage. During the day she secreted herself amidst the thick swamps of the river, and at night pursued her course. She finally reached Appalachicola Bay, embarked on board of a vessel, and arrived in Savannah. By the assistance of some of the citizens, she was enabled to reach her home in Elbert, where she afterwards married Mr. Hunt. Many of her descendants are still living, who will vouch for the truth of this story.

William married secondly, Agnes Dougherty, in 1779 at Wilkes Co. GA. The children of William Richard Tyner and second wife, Agnes (Dougherty) Tyner were: 1) Frances Tyner, b. 1780 Wilkes Co. GA, d. Aft. 1840 Campbellton, Campbell Co. GA or Elbert Co. GA. m. UNK McGuire 2) Elizabeth Tyner, b. 1780 Wilkes Co. Georgia, d. Bet. 1860 - 1870 Pickens District, SC m. Wm Boatwright 3) Abigail Tyner, b. 1786 Wilkes Co. GA, d. Bet. 1856 - 1860 Franklin Co. AL m. Unk Cridendon 4) Richard Tyner, b. 1788 Wilkes-Elbert Co. GA, d. Bet. 1840 - 1850 Elbert or Franklin Co. GA 5) Agnes Tyner, b. 1790 Elbert Co. GA, d. Circa 1838/39 Franklin Co. GA m. Crump 6) Martha B. Tyner, b. 1792 Elbert C0. GA, d. 1884 Dekalb Co. GA m. John Bird 7) Charity Tyner, b. 1794 Elbert Co. GA, d. Aft. 1850 Dekalb Co. GA m. Billings Bird All children or their heirs were named in his will.

posted by Janice (Cannon) Witt
None of the records compiled at the time they were alive provide a name for Richard Tyner’s wife.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Janice, where does your last paragraph come from? The two sources you cite include information about the Indian attack, but not the information about his second wife and set of children. Thanks.
posted by Jillaine Smith
The War of 1812 records are not for this Richard who would have been in his 70’s. More likely a grandson or an unrelated person - the records list the man as an Ensign in a Kentucky unit, so likely very young.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Just want to point out - again - that there is NO possible connection to the Cherokee woman Agnes Dougherty. That woman was born about 1818 and cannot possibly be the wife of a man who died in 1824. This Richard Tyner was a Revolutionary War solider (DAR Ancestor #: A060464). James Hicks' Cherokee lineages web site contains the following:

"AGNES5 DOUGHERTY, b. Abt. 1818; m. BLACK HAW; b. Abt. 1816. Notes for BLACK HAW: Other sources have a Sookie Dougherty marrying a Richard Tyner and that Richard lived on the edge of Black Haw Swamp.Could Richard Tyner be aka Black Haw?"

There is no documentation to support Hicks' suggestion, and the couple in Hicks' tree lived in the 19th century, not the 18th. There is nothing to suggest that the man in this profile was ever called "Black Hawk" or "Black Haw." This is just one of many cases where people have morphed a same-name person into someone in a Cherokee family.

posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
edited by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
I've done some preliminary cleanup and detached at least one spouse.

Are you saying, Kathie, that his wife should be Unknown Unknown? And there was only one of them?

posted by Jillaine Smith
I think his wife (or wives) is unknown, but trying to track down the will to see if one is named. DAR does not list any wife. DAR records list children Elizabeth, Harris, Joshua, Mary, Noah, and Tamar.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Will is digitized at Ancestry. No wife or wives mentioned. Names sons and daughters Abigail Crittendon, son Richard Tyner, Jr. , Harris, Nancy, Samuel, May (Begley?), Tamar Hunt, Joshua, Francis, Noah (or his heirs Elizabeth, Martha, Agnes, Richard). Says Harris and the children of Charity Bird [maybe the widow of a deceased son?] are to equally share his enslaved people, stock, furniture, etc.

Georgia, Elbert County, Estate Records; Author: Georgia. Inferior Court (Elbert County); Probate Place: Elbert, Georgia Description: Estates, Tyner, Ida W-Upshaw, Leroy Ancestry.com. Georgia, U.S., Wills and Probate Records, 1742-1992 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015. Original data: Georgia County, District and Probate Courts.

posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
edited by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
DAR record is poorly documented.

South Carolina archives has a land record from 1769 showing Richard Tyner as an abuttor in 96 District A jury record for Richard Tyner, 1780, 96 District


Multiple land records for Richard Tyner in Georgia - several in Wilkes County from 1784 on https://vault.georgiaarchives.org/digital/collection/platindex/id/34750/rec/5

Land records in Elbert County starting in 1809 "Georgia, Headright and Bounty Land Records, 1783-1909", database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:C3MX-4J6Z : 2 March 2021), Richard Tyner, 1809.

1820 census, Elbert: "United States Census, 1820," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHLW-67R : accessed 27 August 2021), Richard Tyner, Christian, Elbert, Georgia, United States; citing p. 163, NARA microfilm publication M33, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 8; FHL microfilm 175,767.

1821 filed a claim for land in Creek territory lost in Revolutionary War (Wilkes County was originally Creek land) claim If his wife and children were killed it seems that he might have mentioned it in his claim....

posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
edited by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
You are amazing, thank you, Kathie, for digging into all of this.

So bottom line is that the first and last name of his wife/mother of his children is not known, not yet found in any documents, correct?

posted by Jillaine Smith
That’s correct. No wife named in any record I have found to date
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
How do I share G2G? Thank you, I am at a brick wall here, since Agnes is said to be a child of McDaniel that married a Dougherty, but others claim she was born a Dougherty/Daughtry. Richard Tyner has my Elizabeth Tyner Boatright in his will, but his parentage was suppose to be through Sarah Adair and a Harris Tyner, that also is questioned. I just keep hunting.
posted on Tyner-662 (merged) by Janice (Cannon) Witt
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posted on Tyner-662 (merged) by Shawnee (Worley) Brooks
Tamra Owens New of Texas wrote me back in 2009 about trying to match DNA with the Florida Tyners, of which I am one. I tested and my father also, but we go back to an NPE with Benjamin Raley (1818-1895) of Ga. Tamra might be a resource for you, her Tyners tho unrelated to me, are well researched. She is on facebook.
posted on Tyner-662 (merged) by Mack Tyner III
Thank you for your reply. I could not find Tamra on Facebook as there are multiple with the same name. Does she have a Wiki Tree account? Richard Tyner and Agnes McDaniel Dougherty Tyner are my brick walls in this line. I have record of Richard Tyner's will leaving items to my Elizabeth Lyles Tyner Boatright. My 2x great grandmother spoke of her Granny Hopper (Agnes mother) and her great aunt Tamar Tyner, who was Richard Tyner's daughter from his first marriage.
posted on Tyner-662 (merged) by Janice (Cannon) Witt
I am a descendant of Richard Tyner Sr. through his daughter Elizabeth Tyner Boatright. I match Vicki V listed above on Chr. 11 at 9.4 CM. His second wife is Agnes Dougherty, and Elizabeth's mother. I am trying to discern parentage of both Richard and Agnes.
posted on Tyner-662 (merged) by Janice (Cannon) Witt
Jan that's exciting! How wonderful. Whew-hoo Very very happy for you .-Did you share on G2G as well?
posted on Tyner-662 (merged) by Shawnee (Worley) Brooks
The Cherokee Agnes Dougherty cannot be connected to this family, she is too young. Richard's second wife and set of children are from the 1780's, Agnes wasn't born until about 1818. The DAR doesn't give a name for Richard's second wife.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Tyner-39 and Tyner-658 appear to represent the same person because: duplicate
posted by Mark Burch
Recently saw a Tyner DNA project which states that Richard Tyner is not descendant of Sarah Tyner and John Harris through their son John Harris Tyner. As a descendant of Richard Tyner's daughter, Elizabeth Liles Tyner Boatright, I am interested in any research as to his true parentage and to verify his spouse was Agnes Sookie Susannah McDaniel Dougherty. I have seen conflicting information that she was born a Dougherty or that she was born McDaniel and she married a Dougherty first. Any sources would be appreciated.
posted by Janice (Cannon) Witt
Sabrina, do you have any source for Dougherty as her maiden name? Without a source we should make her Unknown.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Was her name Davidson or Dougherty? I think documentation shows she was a Dougherty.
posted by Sabrina (K) Combs

Rejected matches › Richard Tyner (1770-1836)

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