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The simple answer is that she is a myth. Someone has just taken a bunch of names and created a tree with them. Born in South Carolina, married in Virginia, died in Arkansas (which didn’t exist at that time)? William Harrelson was born about 1753. Harrelson was supposedly one of the Virginia longhunters involved with Skaggs and Blevins families in Southwest Virginia, although he does not appear in published lists or articles about the longhunters. That he married a Native American is a family legend without evidence. Several versions of the myth may be found online, each claiming a different tribe, some with a much farther back generation.

There are records for a William Harrelson living in Grainger, Tennessee by 1799.

Thank you for confirming my suspicions. I've long thought it was a very iffy proposition. So who did William marry? That is now the brick wall that falls with Braten Permenter born c. 1810. No wife for him either. It would be a first wife with three children.

Betty, welcome to WikiTree. I recommend you start out by adding profiles for each generation, working back from yourself. There are plenty of help pages and video tutorials to help you. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:How_to_Use_WikiTree

P.S. I've gotten you started a bit-- I started profiles for John Mayse Parkins and Lee Oma Tibbs and one of their children:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tibbs-765

Ronda, which women are you talking about? You posted this on the profile page of WikiTree's Native Americans project, not on the profile of a given individual;

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Jean-58

Sorry. I should have used a link.

I just saw this book on Barnes and Noble online.

https://www.strongnations.com/store/item_display.php?i=9101&f=

Educator Information Table of Contents Acknowledgments xiii Figures xv Map xxvi Introduction 3 1 Cécile Gannendâris (?-1669) 13 2 Marie Catherine Jean dit Vien (1676-1767) 33 3 Margaret Grey Eyes Solomon (1816-1890) 50 4 Mary McKee (1838-1922) 69 5 Eliza Burton Conley Jr (1869-1946) 90 6 Jane Zane Gordon (1871-1963) 115 7 Dr Éléonore Sioui (1924-2006) 132 Epilogue: The Wendat/Wandat Women’s Advisory Council 154 Notes 169 Index 205

Ronda, you might want to place this information as a comment on the profile of the person it relates to; otherwise people researching or interested in her will not find it.

Good idea. I was up reading and I think I found some other's in the book. It looks like a really good book too. Thank you for the advice. :)

Here is a link to the materials filed in support of the request for Federal acknowledgment which was denied in 2008: https://www.bia.gov/as-ia/ofa/069a-npmcna-ma and more specifically the proposed finding document which addresses genealogy in the last few sections: https://www.bia.gov/sites/default/files/dup/assets/as-ia/ofa/petition/069A_npmcna_MA/069a_pf.pdf. The Final Determination document also discusses the families.

Joe, sorry for the delay in responding; not sure why I did not see this when you posted it. Rosannah's Soward's mother was Esther, but there is no evidence that she was a Native American or daughter of Shawnee Chief Cornstalk. The boulder-memorial commemorating Thomas Soward (currently represented by wikitree profile Tipsword-1), and Esther and many others, was not created contemporary to their lives (or deaths), but many years -- even decades -- later. (Photos of the boulder can be seen on Find-a-Grave here: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/80552214/esther-sowards)

Therefore, it is not a reliable source to use to build an accurate family tree.

What is known about the family of Chief Cornstalk can be found here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Shawnee-45

Thank you! I'll adopt and update the profile.

RP - Choctaw Team/Native American Project

All of these profiles were created with essentially no documentation. Clearly a 1901 census is irrelevant for someone who was supposedly born in the 1700's. I don't know if it's a reliable resource or not, but there is a book "Blackfeet Nation Family History : a compilation of record of members of the Blackfeet Nation and some non-Indian relatives." compiled by Robert C. Gilham which might help. I think the earliest U.S. records regarding the Blackfeet are from the 1830's.

The Bass(e) family of early Virginia married into the Nansemond, a tribe still in existence. It is thought that almost all Nansemond citizens today are descendants of John Basse and his Nansemond wife, baptized as Elizabeth at the time of their marriage in 1638. The Nansemond Basses are well-documented and remained on their traditional land in Virginia. There are many generations of Elizabeth's descendants with profiles here on Wikitree.

Family trees found on Ancestry that include Native Americans are very seldom accurate. Samuel Riley was a white man who married two daughters of Doublehead, a Cherokee chief, about 1790. He was never called "Walking Stick." None of his children was known as "Bell Rattle," they all had English names. There was a Cherokee man named Bell Rattle who was a contemporary of Samuel Riley. John Gartman was born in Missouri in 1849. He married in Arkansas in 1875. There is nothing to connect his mother, Sarah Riley, who married Eri Gartman in Missouri in 1840 with any Cherokee people. Sarah was probably the sister of "West" Riley who lived in the same area as Eri in 1840 and who is buried in the Gartman Cemetery. They may be the children of Stephen Riley and Nancy Walker who were married in Overton, Tennessee (not in or near the Cherokee Nation) in 1809. I'm sorry, but someone has just grafted some Cherokee people onto your tree.

The Thru Lines also shows I am related to:

Elizabeth Rachel Riley/Keys Cherokee Elizabeth Rachel Riley/Keys Cherokee may be the daughter of Bell Rattle. Below is some of the information used to suggest this relationship: Trees Linked to DNA Matches 1 Petitt Family Tree linked to pembrokepet 8 Records

Thru-lines are only as good as the trees people have created. If multiple people who are related by DNA copy trees with the same errors then it's quite difficult to determine the actual connection. Samuel Riley had a daughter named Rachel who married Daniel Milton and James McDaniel. His daughter Elizabeth married Isaac Keys, his daughter Mary married Samuel Keys. No Bell Rattle.

Two Half 2nd granduncles, according to DNA, are West Walker Riley and Stephen Lattamus or Latimer Riley (handsome devil with dark hair). Parents were Nancy Walker and Stephen Riley (Walking Stick). One of their son's middle name was EAGLE. I did not go looking for this information it just appeared.

I am descended from Oregon pioneers who were all over the US. One was born in Virginia in 1774, went to Tennessee for some time, then to Missouri for some time and then west to Oregon in 1850. So, I don't want to judge the facts based on place. Also, there were quite a few Oregon pioneers who came out West and returned to the East more than once. I will keep looking as some of those posting pictures are the descendants so they will know.

The hints you are seeing are fiction. None of these people had any connection to the Cherokee. They did not live in or near the Cherokee Nation and do not appear in any Cherokee records. There was no Cherokee person named "Stephen Riley" or "Walkingstick." Stick to the records, it's clear you have your family correctly identified using actual documents. Here is a link to the marriage record for Stephen and Nancy. If either one was Cherokee they would have been living in the Cherokee Nation, not in Knox, Tennessee. They would have been on the 1835 Cherokee census, not on the 1830 U.S. Census (the Cherokee were not included on the U.S. Census until 1900): "United States Census, 1830," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH5W-WHJ : 20 February 2021), Stephen Riley, Overton, Tennessee, United States; citing 212, NARA microfilm publication M19, (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 179; FHL microfilm 24,537. You are being misled by other people's fictional families.

Well, the son who had the middle name Eagle did go to Oklahoma to marry.

They were only part Native, not fully Native. Even the children of the white man who married the DoubleHead woman had children who were part this and part that and their races are described in detail on your website. I'm not trying to get membership in a tribe at all. Just found it interesting. Also, in college, I took Physical Anthropology and the shape of my grandmother fit the Indian typical build. And some of her kids had very dark hair while others like my dad had almost white/blond hair.

Only about 20% of Native Americans actually live on reservations.

These people lived before the Cherokee were removed to Indian Territory. They didn’t have a reservation they lived in a separate nation on their own land.

Without going through all the generations I can tell you that this is mostly if not all fiction. Pocahontas was the daughter of Powhatan. Born about 1695, married John Rolfe, died 1621. One child, son Thomas Rolfe. her Wikitree profile is https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Powhatan-3

A Nansemond woman, Indian name unknown, was baptized "Elizabeth" and married a white man named John Basse in 1638. She was the daughter of a chief, name also unknown, but not Peter, Robin, or Tucker. Elizabeth and John Basse had numerous children. Most of the Nansemond tribe today descend from them. No Nicketti. Elizabeth's Wikitree profile is https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Nansemond-1

There is no record of anyone named Nicketti until the 1800's.

I don't see anything to connect the tree you have built here on Wikitree for Carrie Hardison Braly with any of these people. In my experience almost none of the hints connecting people to early Native Virginians have any basis in fact.

I would start by adding documentation to the profiles you have created starting with Carrie and work your way back. Just ignore anything you find in a tree on Ancestry or Family Search and stick with actual records.

Noah, welcome to WikiTree; I see you've just recently joined us. I encourage you to start building out your tree, starting from yourself and working back, being sure to add what you know as well as reliable sources as you go. You'll find that as you work back in time, there's an increasing chance that a profile for your ancestor already exists. That said, I do not yet see profiles for either Virginia or Osceola. (There is an Oscar Castle b 1880, so old enough to be Virginia's father, but there is not much on that profile so proceed with caution.)

I looked at the 1910 census for a Virginia or Virgie Castle and found a daughter the right age, but of James and Lou. Whole family is white. See https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRNT-CT4?i=3&cc=1727033

Hi Cynthia, I replied to you from the earlier message you sent to the project. But to close the loop here: there are no known descendants of Kanagatoga "Old Hop" (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cherokee-151) because while he made mention of children in a speech, he did not name them, and there survived no contemporaneous documents that named either a spouse or children. See his profile for details. Sorry to disappoint you.

Massasoit probably did have did have some descendants, although I don’t know how reliable the published genealogies are. No DNA test can connect you to a tribe. You might want to contact one of the Wampanoag tribes for assistance: https://mashpeewampanoagtribe-nsn.gov/ https://wampanoagtribe-nsn.gov/

Hi Robin. I read the comments posted to the NA project page.

I took a look and concur with you. I've posted some comments and questions on the relevant profiles.

Jillaine, Native Americans Project Coordinator