Connection Combat Aid Station - Team Brigham Young

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Welcome to the Connection Combat Aid Station for Team Brigham Young!

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This is for players in the Brigham Young Connection Combat game who need help finding a source to confirm a connection.

If you are stuck ... click "Answer this post" below. Please include links to the relevant profiles. :-)

If you can help ... thank you, Team Brigham Medics!

in The Tree House by Eowyn Walker G2G Astronaut (2.5m points)

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+13 votes

I found a possible problem with my connection to Brigham Young. It show Decker-6885 (James R Decker) to be the son of Decker-1601 (Peter Decker) and Schnuck-29 (Hannah Schnuck Decker) and brother of Decker-12 (Isaac Decker, the father of Brigham Young).  There is a birth record for a James Robinson Dekker born 2 May 1792 in West Copake, Columbia, New York with parents Jacob C Dekker and Asenath Bardin on FamilySearch (see James Robinson Dekker birth ). On FindAGrave, James R. Decker's eldest daughter is listed as Rachel Asenuth Decker b. 1835 (see James R Decker Find A Grave ). Asenath or Asenuth is an unusual name--was Rachel given this middle name after her (possible) grandmother?  Or is it just a coincidence? What do you think?  What do we know about the James Decker listed as Isaac's brother? What proof is out there?  Thank you, Judy

by Judith Fry G2G6 Mach 8 (80.7k points)
There is what appears to be a very competent and thorough write-up relating to Isaac Decker (father IN LAW to Brigham Young) on FamilySearch, at https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/170428857?p=52087021&returnLabel=Peter A Decker (LZVX-W5M)&returnUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.familysearch.org%2Ftree%2Fperson%2Fmemories%2FLZVX-W5M.  It does NOT show James R. Decker as having been a brother of Isaac Decker.  Indeed, James' apparent birth date precedes the marriage of Isaac's parents by several years.  For that matter, the putative father (Peter Decker) was only 14 years old when James R. was born.  It's obvious to me that the parents attributed to James R. Decker on Decker-6885 are completely erroneous, and I would support the parentage shown on FamilySearch/FamilyTree of Jacob Cornelis and Asenath (Barden) Decker.  As you noted, that view is certainly bolstered by the fact that James R. and Catherine Willard (Smith) Decker named their oldest daughter Rachel Asenath Decker.

That said, the discrepancy between the birth date for James Robinson Decker and the census ages reported for James "R." Decker is somewhat troubling, but he would not be the only person to shade a few years off his age when providing information to a census taker.

Your link doesn't work for me, Barry. This simpler one seems to:

https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/170428857?p=52087021

Thank you, Barry.
I understand about people changing their ages.  On my grandparents marriage certificate my grandfather, who was actually 20, said he was 22 and my grandmother, who was actually 29, said she was 25.
Good for them!  After all, age is "just a number."  

Those of us who have compared ages given in the multiple depositions for the same person (abstracted in the Records & Files of the Quarterly Court of Essex County, Mass.) know that they are very often inconsistent.  A man who said that he was 40 in 1670 might tell the court, in 1680, that he was only 47 or 48.  

In the case of James Robinson Decker, he seems to have adopted a birth year of 1795 for himself early on, and he stuck with that construct for decades.  Without casting aspersions on his motives, I would merely note that a man born in 1792 would have been subject to military service at the outset of the war of 1812, whereas a mere youth of 17 would have been exempt.
+12 votes
It shows that I'm 11 degrees from Brigham Young. I'd love for someone to take a look and help me verify this. I'm trying to add sources. I know that everything from 11 (me) to 7 (Lumbert-64) is correct.

There are two profiles under revision; one for two years and the other for 4 years. These revisions not withstanding, I think I am 11 degrees from Brigham Young.
by Rebecca Haskins G2G6 Mach 2 (21.6k points)
edited by Rebecca Haskins

There's something wrong in the first step in your connection path: Elizabeth (Fairchild) Young (1828-1910) . She is shown as marrying Brigham Young in 1844 in Nauvoo (when she was age 16), then marrying additional husbands in 1846, 1853, and 1867. Brigham Young was alive until 1877, so if she married him in 1844 she could not have married again until after 1867. (LDS women did not have plural husbands; they married only one man at a time. Men could have plural wives, but women couldn't have plural husbands.)

The profile needs better sourcing for the marriages. In particular, in skimming the profile I didn't see evidence that she married Brigham Young in any year.

EDITED: I found the solution to this mystery on the profile for Brigham Young. On page 5 of the article at https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/artices/Dialogue_V20N03_59.pdf , Elizabeth is identified as one of three wives who married Brigham at Nauvoo in 1844-1845 and divorced him within the next few years.  So the connection of Elizabeth and Brigham is good, but Elizabeth's profile needs to include information about the marriage and divorce.

I edited Elizabeth's profile with the information I found in article that I linked above.
Thank you Ellen!
+10 votes
I am 14 degrees from Brigham Young. By the genealogical relationship we are 9Th cousins removed. Jane (Spencer) Cope (abt.1462-1526) is Brighams 8th great grandmother, she is my 14th great grandmother. Jimmy Lewis
by Jimmy Lewis G2G6 Mach 1 (11.3k points)
I am14 degrees from Brigham Young on my mother’s side. Almost there, but ran into a locked profile. Sent a request is there anything else I can do ?
+10 votes

All of the steps from Brigham Young (1801-1877) to his direct ancestor John Giffard (abt.1429-1486), are marked confident except for the "last" step:

 William Gifford (abt.1482-1549) [confident]
11. William is the son of John Giffard (abt.1429-1486) [unknown confidence]

I have added a Comment on William Gifford (abt. 1482-1549) to describe the facts that enable the relationship to be marked as confident, but since William's profile is pre-1500, I need someone with certification to pick up the citations and mark his father's relationship as confident.

Thanks!

Porter Fann / Fann-206

by Porter Fann G2G6 Mach 9 (97.7k points)

BTW: 

Brigham Young (1801-1877) and Porter are 10th cousins 7 times removed

+11 votes
Does “sealed for time and eternity”,to Brigham Young, count the same as marriage? [[Farnsworth-108 | Lydia Farnsworth]] was sealed to Young but, I don’t see a divorce from her husband [[Mayhew-70 |Elijah Mayhew]]. I understand that the women weren’t polygamous, just the husbands.
by Jennifer Jordan G2G6 Mach 1 (15.1k points)

Yes, it's the same as marriage.

This article from Dialogue Journal "Determining and Defining 'Wife': The Brigham Young Households" (opens as a PDF, page 8 of the file, page 64 of the journal) mentions Lydia among several other wives who were sealed to Brigham Young while still married to other husbands. 

This article "Polygamy, Brigham Young and His 55 Wives" cites a letter from Brigham Young to Lydia Farnsworth, after she asked to be sealed to him: 

"Lydia Farnsworth begged Young to marry her. In 1855, she met with him and expressed her "conviction that I belong to you." Two years later, she repeated her desire "to be sealed to you for Eternity." Young curtly dismissed her entreaties. "[W]hen I wish to have any woman sealed to me," he upbraided her in a letter, "I shall reveal the fact. I am not guided by revelations coming through any woman." For unknown reasons, he later changed his mind and granted Farnsworth's request."

Also, Lydia's obituary (https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-world-another-veteran-gone-lydia-f/140009862/) mentions both husbands:

"Mrs. Lydia Young, a wife of Prest. Brigham Young, died at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Caroline A. Chipman, at half past two, Friday, Feb. 5, at the age of 89 years of general debility. Her health had been failing for some time, but she has lived more than a year longer than her first husband, Mr. Eligah Mayhew, who died at Pleasant Grove, Jan. 17, 1896."

This is actually a fascinating situation.  My take on it is that she fell out with "her first husband," Elijah Mayhew, when he took a second wife, the widow Sarah (Young) Peck.  Lydia would have been in favor of the principle of rescuing widows, of course, but in this case it seems to have kindled some measure of jealousy.

On the 1860 census, she is shown as having reverted to her maiden name of Farnsworth.  She is living with her younger children in a home in Pleasant Grove, Utah, while her "husband" Elijah Mayhew is living RIGHT NEXT DOOR with his new wife Sarah (Young) Peck Mayhew and her children by her first husband.  

In 1870, it's about the same deal, except that by now Brigham Young has caved into her entreaties that "in the eternities" she was meant to be with him.  As a result, now she is listed as "Lydia Young."  In the home are three of her Mayhew sons, a daughter in law, a grandson and a niece.  Notably she is NOT living in any of Brigham Young's homes in Salt Lake City.  Next door is an "Elizabeth" Mayhew.  At first I thought that this might just be a census-taker's mistake for "Elijah" as the age is about right for him.  However, on further analysis it seems that it's actually a woman, namely Elizabeth (Seeley) Young, the mother of Elijah's second wife Sarah (Young) Peck.  Also in the home is Elijah's third and newest wife Anna, with four young Mayhew children.  These censuses are linked up on Lydia's familysearch (Family Tree) profile, KWJ8-Z39. 

The 1880 census (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYBK-XJ?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMNSL-FS9&action=view) is not linked to Lydia's profile, probably because it was indexed erroneously - as "Lydia "Farnsuct."  I found the entry by looking for her sons.  Sure enough, the two homes are still there in Pleasant Grove, with Lydia occupying the one with her sons Walter and Otto.  Elijah Mayhew is in the second house with his second wife Sarah.  Anna had died from complications of childbirth, so she does not appear on the census.  Elizabeth (Seeley) Young Mayhew (Sarah's mother) now has her own house next to these two. 

It was not unusual in the days of Utah polygamy for a man to "marry" his widowed mother in law, as a means of giving her a legal basis for support and protection.  

In sum, at least in practical terms, Lydia Farnsworth and Elijah Mayhew were divorced circa 1858-9, and her 1870 sealing to Brigham Young was a marriage in name only.  The life stories about Elijah and her written by her children make no mention at all of the "sealing" to Brigham Young. 

From my reading of Utah history, it seems that Brigham Young was viewed as having the power to grant divorces without requiring the parties to bother with the civil courts. If he granted Lydia a divorce in, say, 1859, that would explain her use of her maiden name on the 1860 census. 

A final side note about this family:   Lydia was a great-aunt of Philo T. Farnsworth (Farnsworth-669), the inventor of television. 

Wow, that is a lot of really great information! I love genealogy because 1 document can contain so much information about a person’s life. I’m often hesitant to compose a biography on someone, even family. However, your email is an inspiration. Any information we find should be summarized and placed on the profile for everyone to see. Not just anyone can look at 3 Census Records and glean the details you uncovered. 

Thanks so much for your help and insight.

+8 votes
My stopper on my biological connection is Ward-150. Anyone want to see if they can find the issue? Fixing this fixes my biological tie to Brigham Young.

It would verify him as my biological paternal 6th Cousin 5x r
by Bonnie Day G2G6 Mach 1 (15.1k points)
Are you trying to prove that Hannah and Obadiah were siblings?
When I checked my connection here, it's the only one in the list that is listed as questionable and I am not sure why. ( If you want to look it up use the relationship finder in the image that I am referring to will come up.) There's no way for me to attach it so that people can see what I'm talking about.
Are you referring to the "Unknown Confidence" markers in the relationship list? If so, that just means nobody has edited the profile to reflect whether the relationship is non-biological, uncertain, confident, or confirmed with DNA. If you go to edit the profile, the choices are on the right hand side, underneath each parent's name.
Yes!

I checked the profile and I edited it to list the relationship bubbles to say confident along with the ones that say confident for her name. It still showed  Unknown Confidence in my list though, hence my confusion and a bit of annoyance.

Bonnie
+8 votes
I'm having difficulty finding any solid evidence for https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/McDonald-4402 James McDonald being the son of https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cox-1998 Sarah (Cox) McDonald. Her FindaGrave profile agrees https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187648314/sarah-mcdonald as much as that's worth, but I'm not finding anything more solid on either FamilySearch or Ancestry. Can someone more familiar with this period make a suggestion? Will of https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/McDonald-1256 (Sarah's husband) is the only thing I can think of.
by Ambar Díaz G2G6 Mach 3 (36.8k points)
Possibly James' own will or estate/probate records? It wouldn't be unusual for provisions to be made for an aged mother.

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