Comments on John Jennings Smith

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On 23 Jun 2023 Bob Cole wrote on Smith-66365:

Just doesn't sound right, that his wife is 7 yrs older than he is. Is anyone sure that this is the right John Smith. I've seen him without the middle name of Jennings. FamilySearch has him b.1731 & Elizabeth Lipscomb b.1735, which would make much more sense. FS also shows 5 boys & 5 girls as children. Plus, the parents are different. . This Smith-66365 just feels wrong to me. . Any thoughts ? Maybe someone has the ability to investigate this. Thanks, Bob Cole

WikiTree profile: John Smith
in Genealogy Help by Bob Cole G2G1 (1.9k points)

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The marriage source on his profile is clearly not for a man who lived his life in Virginia. Unfortunately, the scarcity of 18th century Virginia named and a common name frequently causes some random person with no experience to link a marriage record from another country just because it has names they expect and around the time they expect.

It’s not clear why anyone would think the linked birth record is for the same man either.

Almost nobody in Virginia was recorded with middle names then. If there’s no document with it, then it shouldn’t be used. And unfortunately, lots of people find a document somewhere, somewhen for a John Smith and assume it’s their guy. Even if one of them was recorded as Jennings, it requires luck and work to prove that document is for the linked man.

He probably wasn’t 7 years older than his wife, but that doesn’t mean that Family Search has it right. In fact, it could be that FamilySearch has even more insidious data because it feeds into confirmation bias.

My own Smith line goes to Virginia in the 1700s. The earliest progenitor I can document is named William Smith, and there were several, seemingly unrelated William Smiths even in the same county. It makes it much harder to use tax lists, one of the best sources for Virginia research, at least in the late 1700s.

My recommendation is to start later than this profile with all the descendants you can be confident in and try to document the heck out of them. (I have big spreadsheets documenting years of all the Smiths in various counties in tax lists, and then I try to use those, other records, and DNA testing to try to organize them.) Then hopefully you’ll get a little clarity on him, although there’s no guarantee.

Here’s a profile I worked on for a John Smith born around 1736, lived in Virginia, who is not in my direct line:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Smith-195639

(My William’s profile is longer and is still a work-in-progress.) The main point is that these Smith profiles just need a lot of evidence and analysis, or there’s simply nothing credible about them. Even with a lot of evidence, there is still a lot of skepticism indicated about information commonly presented about the man.

by Barry Smith G2G6 Pilot (295k points)
selected by Art Black
Thank You, Barry for your answer.  I came up to this John Smith from his daughter Lovina/Lavinia Smith (1761-1842), who was married to James Byers/Byars (1761-1817). They are in my mom's Webb & Werner Family Tree on Ancestry.  I have over 350 Smith's in that Tree.  My dad's tree is Cole & Leatherwood Family Tree, also on Ancestry.  I have over 210 Smiths in that Tree.  As you know, it's the most common name. My Jones lines have a lot also.  I've found several people that are in both of my Trees - the Lee's of Virginia are one example. Dad was from Georgia, & Mom was from Arkansas. Thanks again for taking the time to respond.  Regards, Bob Cole
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He is my 11th cousin and the info on the profile is what I have as well. You can of course do your own research and let us know if anything differs. Two of his sisters also married into the Lipscomb family.
by Kathi Stoughton-Trahan G2G3 (3.3k points)

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