Guldi/Guldin/Gulden in Hungary (Veszprém) in 1500s

Question

Hello,

researching the Guldin family, which appears in St. Gall in the early 1500s (trial of Nikolaus for Anabaptism in 1525, entry in citizen registration book for Melchior, Balthasar, Ulrich, Gallus and Caspar, with births of their children noted in the late 1520s), it was suggested that there are Guldin/Gulden families in the Hungarian church records from 1626. I expect that the expansion of Hapsburg influence into this region (officially incorporated in Hapsburg empire in 1526) may have caused some migration. Is there ANY chance of finding reliable sources for this period?

Answer 1

1526 is the defeat at Mohács, which was disastrous to put it mildly: the king died (drowned in a creek while fleeing), as did almost his entire army. Some of the surviving barons elected John Szapolyai (who survived Mohács because he didn't make it there in time), others elected Ferdinand of Hapsburg to be the new king. There followed 150 years of Ottoman occupation of about half the country. (The northern part,  under Hapsburg control, mostly kept them out, and Transylvania, newly established as a principality, essentially paid them off.)

What this means is that while some genealogically-relevant records were created in the 1500s, and some of them even survive, they're very spotty. For example, there are some tax records from Veszprém county that FamilySearch filmed in the 1970s; they're mostly from the 1700s, but the middle of one film has a few pages from the mid-1500s (from https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLR-33CR-G?i=491&cat=440715 to https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLR-33C8-1?i=503&cat=440715). (It's in a secretary hand that I Can't Read, but I think it's from an abbey in Pilis?)

I'm not sure what you mean by "the Hungarian church records from 1626" -- there are registers from that early that survive in some of the northern towns (all in Slovakia now, as far as I know), but the earliest records that have been filmed/preserved from Szentgál in Veszprém county are the Protestant baptisms starting in 1732 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-MKVC-C?i=7&cc=4133831&cat=100882).

Comments

This is the note I got from an ancestry.com genealogist working on the Guldin ancestors:

"Nikolaus Guldin: spouse (Elisabetha Steinnacher) and child (Ulries/Ulrich Guldin) = I just added another child (Barbara Gulden, baptized in Hungary).This is the source of that info.

Source Information

Ancestry.com. Hungary, Select Catholic Church Records, 1636-1895 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.

Original data: Hungary Catholic Church Records, 1636-1895. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013..

Ancestry.com. Geneanet Community Trees Index [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2022."

When I searched this source (using FamilySearch) I didn't see anything "early enough" to be relevant.

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If I read the source you suggest correctly, it is a registry from 1549-1552. So the people I'm looking for won't be mentioned, but maybe I can find family members who stayed behind. THANKS!

[edited 21:23] wow!... That really is a difficult handwriting to decipher. It appears to be largely in Latin, and I won't pretend that I was able to read or understand much. I found a few words that seemed recognizable, including about 3 "Nicolaus" and a couple "Wolfgang" - but nothing that looked at all like it might be "Guldin" or anything similar. THANKS anyway!

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Is this the record that the Ancestry user was talking about? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X28Q-68C

It has the right names, and it's in Veszprém county, but it's several centuries later than what you're talking about. Is this one of those researchers who lumps the entire past into one bucket, never mind that you'd need a time machine to manage the feats of chronology involved?

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Well, I would refrain from using that characterization and simply note that I believe that the source cited does not in any way substantiate the claimed relationship. I contacted the genealogist in question by e-Mail, and it appears that she (like I) apparently inherited a great deal of information from her parents, who "put it online". She (and I) will be very grateful if this issue can get straightened out. Looking forward to any help the WikiTree community can offer!

[Edit:] By the way, I would be interested in working on the Gulden/Guldin families in Hungary, whether or not they ultimately can be proven to be related to the Guldins of St. Gallen.