Small Swedish HHE translation help needed [closed]

Question

Could someone please tell me what it says at the end of the line that has “Cathrina Andersdotter 1768 Ramsberg 1802 25/11.” I am trying to figure out where she went after her husband’s death. I just need to know what it says before “....N. 64” and what does it mean?

 Thank you!

 Household Examination Records: Ljusnarsberg, SE/ULA/10860/A I/13 b (1805-1813), bildid: C0000895_00020, page 226

Missy 

Answer 1

It looks like "besked No. 64" - whatever that means. The "besked" is probably a reference paper issued by the pastor.

Comments

Yup, the slip of paper issued when somebody moved from the parish.

There IS an In-och utflyttningslängd for Ljusnarsberg at that time.

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Thank you, Leif and Eva. What does the No. 64 reference?

I checked the moving-out records and I could not find her. I thought maybe she moved back to Ramsberg, but that Catharina Andersdotter was different than the one I am looking for.

Thank you.

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If you look in the flyttlängd, entries are numbered. It should be the same number as on the besked. But I don't think it helps a lot here - it doesn't say which year, does it? Sort of useless information.

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Eva, I also thought that it may be a line number and I checked each year from 1805 through 1810.

I believe you are correct...useless information. Thank you!

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You know, I think those numbers are from when she moved in. She did NOT move out. You'll find her still in Wiktorp in the next book (14b, p. 267) and then moved to p. 29 in 14a - she got married again.

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@Eva, in that case, if it was the same system in Sweden as in Norway, the pastor collected the slips from incoming people in a bundle, usually one for each year. Those bundles are frequently preserved in the national archives; here in Norway they are called "presteattester". They have not been systematically photographed so far. I've looked at a few. They may contain valuable information not found elsewhere, but usually not.

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In rare cases like this they can be of use: https://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Johansdotter-1870-1

(My research colleague visited the archives to see it)

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In Sweden they are usually called "Flyttattester". They are digitized in some parishes.

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Wow, Eva, that was an interesting "attest"!

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Well, this was the couple who had two children while travelling with papers nicked (or bought) from another couple. They were also both married to other people at the time. No wonder the vicar was baffled. The two kids were baptized a second time when she settled in her birth parish.

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Thank you for your help! I really appreciate it. I got tunnel visioned and could not see the forest through the trees. She was still in Viktorp! 

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Eva, that sounds like the basis of a soap opera. 

Seriously, I appreciate that vicars kept such great notes about their parishioners. I love when I find a page long death record, especially from the 1600s! I can barely read any of it (except the basic words), and I hate having to ask for long translations, BUT I have to know what they say about my ancestors. When I am researching Swedish 7th or 8th great grandparents, I am researching mostly farmers and crofters from mid 1600s to early 1700s when there was not a lot of information at our disposal. I LOVE when Swedish vicars keep such detailed Household Examination records and when they would write the entire history (of my ancestor) in a death record. I have been able to go back to early 1600s and 9th great grandparents thanks to the wonderful record keeping of Swedish vicars! Plus my Swedish families all stayed mostly in Värmland and Örebro, and they have some great records and going back pretty far.

Answer 2

Hi,

According to Ljusnarsbergs Flyttlängd B/2 1800-1822 she moved to Viktorp. You will find it under utflyttade 1802 (Riksarkivet Bild 15)

Jan

Comments

Thank you for taking the time to look her up. I did find her moving to Viktorp. She married Johan Persson in 1802 (in Ramsberg), but her husband died in 1805 in Ljusnarsberg. So I am trying to find her after 1805.