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Thomas Wingfield (abt. 1660 - 1720)

Thomas "The Immigrant" Wingfield
Born about in Englandmap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 1690 in New Kent, Virginiamap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 60 in St Peters Parish, New Kent, Colony of Virginiamap
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Biography

This profile represents Thomas Wingfield, early immigrant to Kent County, Virginia.

Known Marriage & Children

Thomas' wife was Mary based on her own death record at St. Peter's on 31 Jan 1714/15 (listed as Mary "Winkfield", wife of Thomas).[1] but her last name is not known. This profile originally suggested "Stegall" (without source); that name is associated with a Robert Wingfield who is also claimed, without source, to be a son of immigrant Thomas. When and where they were married is not known, presumably before 1691 when the first of Thomas' known children appeared in the parish register cited below.

The baptism of several of Thomas' daughters appear in the parish register of St. Peter's in New Kent County:[2]

  1. Ruth 18 Oct 1691 (p. 42)
  2. Mary 25 Feb 1699/1700 (p. 43)
  3. Elizabeth 12 Jul 1702 (p. 54)

Thomas also appeared in a 1704 "quit rents" document showing some of his commercial transactions being paid in tobacco, a common practice.[3] He appeared in St. Peter's Vestry book (pages 163, 164) receiving small payments.[1] and interestingly in this book, in 1701 and in 1702 he received payments for "keeping a bastard child" (p. 78, 85). Starting October 1695 he was keeping a child of Hannah Ross (whether this child was a bastard or an orphan or both was not specified, further parish register studies would probably make this more clear, pp. 46, 50 & 52).

Death & Estate

Thomas Winfield died 19 Dec 1720 at New Kent County, Virginia, as recorded in the St. Peter's Parish Register.[2]

Research Notes

Disputed Origins

Thomas' parentage is not proven. The theory that he was a son of John Wingfield, Herald of York and Mary Owen was apparently first put forward by Merwyn Edward [Wingfield], Seventh Viscount Powerscourt in an 1894 publication,[4] and then repeated by John Goodwin Herndon in his 1952 article "Thomas Wingfield (1670-1720) of York River, VA, His Ancestry and some of his Virginia and Georgia Descendants".[5]

In neither case was a source for this relationship stated, it was simply asserted without proof. The excellent article "The Real 'Thomas Wingfield of York River' Dilemma" by Abigail Anne Young must be read to gain a full understanding of the state of both paper trail and DNA genealogy with respect to this family.[3]

John Wingfield of York did have a son Thomas christened March 29, 1664 at St. Benets, Pauls Wharf, London.[6] However, no proof has been uncovered that this Thomas was the emigrant to Virginia. Y-DNA testing, covered in Abigail Young's article cited here, indicates connections between descendants of 3 Wingfield Virginia immigrants, but DOES NOT prove descent of any of them directly from John Wingfield of York.

A birth date of 1660 is assigned to give him time to immigrate, marry and have a child by 1691. He obviously could have been older and would have been a well-established member of the community by 1695 in order to provide a foster house for bastard children by 1695 as is shown by St. Peter's church records cited below.

Disputed Children

Y-DNA testing of known (by paper trail) descendants of John, Thomas (NOT the immigrant but John & Thomas of Hanover County) and Robert was compared to a known descendant of Sir John, Herald of York. The testing has shown, in the words of Abigail Young: ...that the descendants of the three colonial ancestors are not as closely related to the descendant of Sir John as they are to one another... Note that this testing does not confirm that the three were brothers or half-brothers, it does not specify exactly what relationship they were, only that they are related.

Please do not add Information on them here.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 The vestry book and register of St. Peter's Parish, New Kent and James City counties, Virginia, 1684-1786 transcribed and edited by C.G. Chamberlayne (Churchill Gibson), 1876-1939 p. 447
  2. 2.0 2.1 The parish register of Saint Peter's, New Kent county, Virginia from 1680 to 1787 by St. Peter's Parish (New Kent County, Va.); National Society of the Colonial Dames of America in the Commonwealth of Virginia Publication date 1904 p. 72.
  3. 3.0 3.1 The Real 'Thomas Wingfield of York River' Dilemma 2002 by Abigail Anne Young http://homes.chass.utoronto.ca/~young/genealogy/Thomas.wingfield.html
  4. Merwyn Edward [Wingfield], Seventh Viscount Powerscourt, Muniments of the Ancient Saxon Family of Wingfield (London (privately printed), 1894), pp 10, 83.
  5. John Goodwin Herndon. "Thomas Wingfield (1670-1720) of York River, Virginia His Ancestry and Some of His Virginia and Georgia Descendants." The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography 60, no. 2 (1952): 305-22. Accessed August 1, 2021. http://www.jstor.org/stable/4245840.
  6. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQP1-P6R : 19 September 2020), Thomas Wingfield, 1664.

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Mr Dearth,

I question the validity of your post. Stephen Chanko is the current Treasurer of the Wingfield Family Society and has the charge of the Wingfield DNA Project. The results of the DNA testing of the Tickencote and the American Wingfields will be the subject of the next Wingfield Family Society newsletter. These results have not yet been released to WFS members.

posted by Suzanne Anderson
From a newt, descendent of Thomas Wingfield, Thank You!
posted by Stacy Swenck
The Wingfield Family Society (WFS) has managed the Wingfield Y-DNA Project since 2002. It was mothball in 2007 but was restarted in 2015 with the advent of FamilyTreeDNA's BigY700 test. When the Wingfield Y-DNA Project was first started, the most common Y-DNA STR marker test available in the market was a Y-12 or 25 STR marker test. Since then FamilyTreeDNA offers a Y-111 STR marker test, and the BigY700 test. The BigY700 tests 700 STR markers, and thousands of SNPs. It is the SNPs that the Wingfield Y-DNA Project is focusing on currently.

Many of the testers that previously tested in 2002 have since tested with FamilyTreeDNA, have taken the BigY700 test. We have also had many new testers. In addition, five Wingfields of Tickencote (two sets of testers that are father and son, and another that does not have a son but is a cousin) and 5 testers that are descendants of the Wingfields of Powerscourt. All of these testers have excellent primary sources to prove their paternal ancestry.

The testers descended from Thomas Wingfield of York River Virginia have also taken the BigY700 test, and all match the testers of the Wingfields of Powerscourt and the Wingfields of Tickencote. All of the testers descended from Thomas Wingfield of York River are descended from one of Thomas Wingfield of York River's sons - Thomas Wingfield, John Wingfield and/or Robert Wingfield. We have multiple testers of each son of Thomas Wingfield of York River.

What the BigY700 test has shown is that the descendants of Thomas Wingfield of York River share a closer relationship with the Wingfields of Tickencote than the Wingfields of Powerscourt. FamilyTreeDNA's BigY700 Blocktree and its Discover tool estimated the most recent common ancestor of the 5 testers of the Wingfields of Tickencote and the multiple testers of the descendants of Thomas Wingfield of York River, Virginia is estimated to have been born around 1600 CE. The test results give strong evidence the common ancestor is Sir John Wingfield, Knt. (married Frances Cromwell), born on 10 July 1594. The 5 testers of the Wingfields of Tickencote are descended from Sir John Wingfield, Knt's eldest son Sir Richard Wingfield, Knt. (married Elizabeth Leigh/Lee) and the testers that are descended from Thomas Wingfield of York River are descended from Sir John Wingfield, Knt's 2nd eldest son John Wingfield, York Herald (married Mary Owen, daughter of George Owen, York Herald).

If anything the BigY700 test has proven that descendants of Thomas Wingfield of York River Virginia are descended from the Wingfields of Tickencote, which is a branch of the Wingfields of Upton, which is a branch that is descended from the Wingfields of Letheringham.

posted by Stephen Dearth Jr.
edited by Stephen Dearth Jr.
Stephen, your comment mentions sons and parents of a Thomas Wingfield that are not presently indicated for the Thomas Wingfield of this profile, but are shown for another Thomas Wingfield who has been discussed as a possible duplicate. Can you please clarify which, if either, Thomas Wingfield you mean by "Thomas Wingfield of York River Virginia?" Thank you.
posted by Paul Smith
I am referring to this profile of Thomas Wingfield of York River Virginia. He was married to Mary Stegall. Their three daughters Ruth, Mary and Elizabeth were baptized at St. Peter's Church, New Kent County, Virginia. Thomas and Mary's sons Thomas, Jr., John and Robert's baptism are not recorded in the existing St. Peter's Church register. There are gaps in the church register records. Your photo of the memorial stone of Thomas Wingfield at Mattaponi Baptist Church Cemetery in King and Queen County, Virginia, USA was placed at Mattaponi Baptist Church by the Wingfield Family Society. There is no existing record to prove Thomas Wingfield of York River Virginia was buried at Mattaponi Baptist Church which is why it was placed near the road back in the 1990s. It was placed there because it was not too far from the Headright property granted to Joshua Style for the importation of Thomas Wingfield in 1680 (north side of Mattaponi River. I was the past President, and previously Vice-President of the Wingfield Family Society. I am now the Treasurer of the Wingfield Family Society.
posted by Stephen Dearth Jr.
That does help a little, Stephen, so thank you again, but it makes it appear that you are referring at the same time to this Thomas Wingfiled and to the other Thomas Wingfield, husband of Mary Stegall and father of Thomas II and Robert. So what might be done to clear this up?

Also, just to try to keep matters a little less muddied, I have nothing to do with the memorial photo which you call mine. I merely stumbled upon Thomas Wingfield over a year ago while researching lateral relatives, noticed what appeared to be duplicate profiles, posted a comment calling attention to such, and watched the hornets' nest explode. I'm still watching, and it would be nice to have the discrepancies resolved some day.

posted by Paul Smith
It does appear to be more than one Wiki profile for Thomas Wingfield of York River Virginia. I like your profile of Thomas Wingfield because it is more detail and provides both sides of the prior arguments about Thomas Wingfield's ancestry and his children.
posted by Stephen Dearth Jr.
If there are duplicates that we need to clean up, can one of you please propose the merge so we can review and take care of it - I am not familiar with the family so it would be helpful if those who are closest to this issue can propose the proper merge for everyone to review. Thanks!
posted by Scott McClain
Would that it were that simple, Scott! Please take a look at the replies to the initial comment I posted in March of last year. It might help if the project managers (or the manager of the apparent duplicate) took an interest. 8-)
posted by Paul Smith
Thanks for pointing me to those comments. Sadly, project protection is not a panacea, it just makes everyone collaborate together to figure these puzzles out. Is anyone willing to take a stab at trying to de-conflate this potentially conflated profile?
posted by Scott McClain
Maybe this might help figure out the family tree. Hope it helps.
  • The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: "The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215," database with images

Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Image (accessed 20 May 2023)

Billie

Hi I found these for him. He’s listed in his father in law Wikpedia as successor. Maybe some this might help I don’t know. Just stuff found.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Owen_(herald), father in law, Owen married Rebecca, daughter of Sir Thomas Dayrell of Lillingstone Dayrell, Buckinghamshire, by whom he had two sons, who both died without issue, and a daughter, who was married to his successor, John Wingfield.[1].

They are both listed John and his wife here.

https://books.google.com/books?id=5iYeCqSP9wwC&lpg=PA410&ots=ajVnkzXuUv&dq=chancellor%20of%20s.%20david%20evan%20owen%201599&pg=PA410#v=onepage&q=chancellor%20of%20s.%20david%20evan%20owen%201599&f=false, page 410

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-london/bk16/pp182-193

https://wingfieldfamilysociety.org/john-wingfield-york-herald/

Billie

This Thomas "The Immigrant" Wingfield and Thomas Wingfield (1664 - 1720) appear to represent the same person, at least insofar as they are referenced by the same Find A Grave: Memorial #131672650. The other data on both profiles contribute to the impression.
posted by Paul Smith
edited by Paul Smith
Look through the full text of the profiles. Perhaps look through the previous merges and separations. To me there are enough concerns in each of the profiles, that a merge would only make things more difficult to explain. A very proper profile would explain how one might know that the children of each profile are indeed siblings, and indeed the spouse is the same. In fact reference to FAG by a merge author tends to reduce his credibility.
posted by Cecil Stuerke
You're quite right, Cecil. An attempted merge would be difficult, and decisions would have to be made regarding the "disputed origins" (with regard to both parents and children). And maybe, given the cloudiness of all the issues, this individual should not be represented by a profile here at all until we know more for certain.

But if as it stands we have duplicate profiles, then should we let sleeping dogs lie, or doesn't that conflict with Wikitree's purpose? As I understand Project Protection, the next move, if any, is up to the Project, so you may get your wish, and I don't really mind. Thank you for chiming in.

posted by Paul Smith
The goal of "no duplicates" would be served if all of the children for both of the Thomas Wingfield profiles were disconnected from their parents. then there would be no question that the two Thomas Wingfields should be merged - provided they had the same parents. But, the other goal is to show the proven parents for each of those children -- no proof - no connection - no supposing. The Wingfield family has been extensively researched - as comments on this profile suggest. But, I am not embedded in the details sufficient to make the calls to support the connections between these children and Thomas.
posted by Cecil Stuerke
You make a great deal of sense, Cecil. There may be no actual harm, and possibly some good use, in having two different versions of the same individual on display, until the discrepancies are resolved some day. And fortunately for those of us not steeped in Wingfield lore, the ball is in the Project's court.
posted by Paul Smith
If two profiles are of the same person, they need to be merged. If the discrepancies are in the biographical documentation, they can be discusssed under research notes.

If the discrepancies are the parents, Wikitree allows you to merge, but you have to make a choice of parents during the merge; it's better to resolve any parent issues before the merge.

If the discrepancies are the children, this is really best resolved AFTER the merge. If before the merge, profile A has children 1, 3 ands 5, and profile B has children 2 and 4, the merge keeps them all and the combined profile will have children 1,2,3,4 and 5. It is good in a biography to have a separate subsection for children, in which each child is listed and documentatio provided as to why that individual is a child of these parents. At that point you may discover that child #2 or child #5 really don't belong there,and they can be detached at that time.

The same with wives. If the profiles show different wives but it is really apparent that the profiles being merged are the same indivdual, when the merge is done, both wives will appear. Then it's important in the biographical narrative to document each wife. If one proves not to belong there, she can be deleted.

posted by Jack Day
For what it's worth, I think there's more than enough here to keep two separate profiles, until and unless new sources are found to answer the ultimate question of whether they are the same man. We know there was a Thomas the Immigrant, and we know there was a Thomas, son of John and Mary. We don't have anything but unsourced 20th century speculation that they are the same man, and Abigail Young's excellent article casts significant doubt on that conclusion.
posted by Ashley Jones JD
That makes sense to me. My comments related to a situation where there was consensus that the two profiles were really the same person. If the only source for that is Find a Grave, Find a Grave is unsourced and may be interesting but should not be the basis for any change.

Where two profiles may be for two different persons, I recommend that the narratives be cross-referenced for easy comparison. And then one clearly state at the top, this is Thomas son of John and Mary and the other, this is Thomas the Immigrant. Any facts which could easily apply to both of them can be documented under Research Notes and placed on both profiles. Then as more facts are discovered, one can make the decision of whetherthey are really two different persons, or one. What threw me in the earlier discussion was the idea that they were the same person but the children were in conflict. That's an easily solved problem, but the differences you pointed out have to be resolved by research before any merge is made.

posted by Jack Day
Excellent guidance for this situation. Thanks, Jack!
posted by Ashley Jones JD
Paul,

I sent you message those findagrave are duplicates I personally contacted and marked them duplicates on findagrave. They are working on trying to merg them.

Billie

There 2 findagrave memorials with same parents listed. I notified findagrave Memorials of the duplicate memorials. Parents same on both.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/131672650/thomas-wingfield

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/203682907/thomas-wingfield

Billie

Wingfield-1192 and Wingfield-421 appear to represent the same person because: clear duplicates
posted by Laura DeSpain
Since we've disconnected Thomas II, Does he need to remain Thomas I?
posted by Ashley Jones JD
Good point. I have corrected that.
posted by Scott McClain
Wingfield-421 and Wingfield-678 appear to represent the same person because: Both represent the early immigrant to New Kent County, Virginia, these are duplicate profiles
posted on Wingfield-678 (merged) by Brad Stauf
Wingfield-678 and Wingfield-421 do not represent the same person because: Thomas John and Mary are very common names and there is no record that substantiates a relationship between these 2 Thomas's
posted by Jenny (Fisher) Lawless
Wingfield-445 and Wingfield-421 appear to represent the same person because: they are the same person.
posted by Karen (Old) Panek

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