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This profile represents Thomas Wingfield, early immigrant to Kent County, Virginia.
Thomas' wife was Mary based on her own death record at St. Peter's on 31 Jan 1714/15 (listed as Mary "Winkfield", wife of Thomas).[1] but her last name is not known. This profile originally suggested "Stegall" (without source); that name is associated with a Robert Wingfield who is also claimed, without source, to be a son of immigrant Thomas. When and where they were married is not known, presumably before 1691 when the first of Thomas' known children appeared in the parish register cited below.
The baptism of several of Thomas' daughters appear in the parish register of St. Peter's in New Kent County:[2]
Thomas also appeared in a 1704 "quit rents" document showing some of his commercial transactions being paid in tobacco, a common practice.[3] He appeared in St. Peter's Vestry book (pages 163, 164) receiving small payments.[1] and interestingly in this book, in 1701 and in 1702 he received payments for "keeping a bastard child" (p. 78, 85). Starting October 1695 he was keeping a child of Hannah Ross (whether this child was a bastard or an orphan or both was not specified, further parish register studies would probably make this more clear, pp. 46, 50 & 52).
Thomas Winfield died 19 Dec 1720 at New Kent County, Virginia, as recorded in the St. Peter's Parish Register.[2]
Thomas' parentage is not proven. The theory that he was a son of John Wingfield, Herald of York and Mary Owen was apparently first put forward by Merwyn Edward [Wingfield], Seventh Viscount Powerscourt in an 1894 publication,[4] and then repeated by John Goodwin Herndon in his 1952 article "Thomas Wingfield (1670-1720) of York River, VA, His Ancestry and some of his Virginia and Georgia Descendants".[5]
In neither case was a source for this relationship stated, it was simply asserted without proof. The excellent article "The Real 'Thomas Wingfield of York River' Dilemma" by Abigail Anne Young must be read to gain a full understanding of the state of both paper trail and DNA genealogy with respect to this family.[3]
John Wingfield of York did have a son Thomas christened March 29, 1664 at St. Benets, Pauls Wharf, London.[6] However, no proof has been uncovered that this Thomas was the emigrant to Virginia. Y-DNA testing, covered in Abigail Young's article cited here, indicates connections between descendants of 3 Wingfield Virginia immigrants, but DOES NOT prove descent of any of them directly from John Wingfield of York.
A birth date of 1660 is assigned to give him time to immigrate, marry and have a child by 1691. He obviously could have been older and would have been a well-established member of the community by 1695 in order to provide a foster house for bastard children by 1695 as is shown by St. Peter's church records cited below.
Y-DNA testing of known (by paper trail) descendants of John, Thomas (NOT the immigrant but John & Thomas of Hanover County) and Robert was compared to a known descendant of Sir John, Herald of York. The testing has shown, in the words of Abigail Young: ...that the descendants of the three colonial ancestors are not as closely related to the descendant of Sir John as they are to one another... Note that this testing does not confirm that the three were brothers or half-brothers, it does not specify exactly what relationship they were, only that they are related.
Please do not add Information on them here.
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I question the validity of your post. Stephen Chanko is the current Treasurer of the Wingfield Family Society and has the charge of the Wingfield DNA Project. The results of the DNA testing of the Tickencote and the American Wingfields will be the subject of the next Wingfield Family Society newsletter. These results have not yet been released to WFS members.
Many of the testers that previously tested in 2002 have since tested with FamilyTreeDNA, have taken the BigY700 test. We have also had many new testers. In addition, five Wingfields of Tickencote (two sets of testers that are father and son, and another that does not have a son but is a cousin) and 5 testers that are descendants of the Wingfields of Powerscourt. All of these testers have excellent primary sources to prove their paternal ancestry.
The testers descended from Thomas Wingfield of York River Virginia have also taken the BigY700 test, and all match the testers of the Wingfields of Powerscourt and the Wingfields of Tickencote. All of the testers descended from Thomas Wingfield of York River are descended from one of Thomas Wingfield of York River's sons - Thomas Wingfield, John Wingfield and/or Robert Wingfield. We have multiple testers of each son of Thomas Wingfield of York River.
What the BigY700 test has shown is that the descendants of Thomas Wingfield of York River share a closer relationship with the Wingfields of Tickencote than the Wingfields of Powerscourt. FamilyTreeDNA's BigY700 Blocktree and its Discover tool estimated the most recent common ancestor of the 5 testers of the Wingfields of Tickencote and the multiple testers of the descendants of Thomas Wingfield of York River, Virginia is estimated to have been born around 1600 CE. The test results give strong evidence the common ancestor is Sir John Wingfield, Knt. (married Frances Cromwell), born on 10 July 1594. The 5 testers of the Wingfields of Tickencote are descended from Sir John Wingfield, Knt's eldest son Sir Richard Wingfield, Knt. (married Elizabeth Leigh/Lee) and the testers that are descended from Thomas Wingfield of York River are descended from Sir John Wingfield, Knt's 2nd eldest son John Wingfield, York Herald (married Mary Owen, daughter of George Owen, York Herald).
If anything the BigY700 test has proven that descendants of Thomas Wingfield of York River Virginia are descended from the Wingfields of Tickencote, which is a branch of the Wingfields of Upton, which is a branch that is descended from the Wingfields of Letheringham.
edited by Stephen Dearth Jr.
Also, just to try to keep matters a little less muddied, I have nothing to do with the memorial photo which you call mine. I merely stumbled upon Thomas Wingfield over a year ago while researching lateral relatives, noticed what appeared to be duplicate profiles, posted a comment calling attention to such, and watched the hornets' nest explode. I'm still watching, and it would be nice to have the discrepancies resolved some day.
Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Image (accessed 20 May 2023)
Billie
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Owen_(herald), father in law, Owen married Rebecca, daughter of Sir Thomas Dayrell of Lillingstone Dayrell, Buckinghamshire, by whom he had two sons, who both died without issue, and a daughter, who was married to his successor, John Wingfield.[1].
They are both listed John and his wife here.
https://books.google.com/books?id=5iYeCqSP9wwC&lpg=PA410&ots=ajVnkzXuUv&dq=chancellor%20of%20s.%20david%20evan%20owen%201599&pg=PA410#v=onepage&q=chancellor%20of%20s.%20david%20evan%20owen%201599&f=false, page 410
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-london/bk16/pp182-193
https://wingfieldfamilysociety.org/john-wingfield-york-herald/
Billie
https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/173704308?p=53268244&returnLabel=Maj.%20Charles%20Wingfield%20(LKTH-V6R)&returnUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.familysearch.org%2Ftree%2Fperson%2Fmemories%2FLKTH-V6R, Muniments of the Ancient Saxon Family of Wingfield, by Mervyn Edward Wingfield, 7th Viscount Powerscourt (London, 1894), page 10; a pedigree
Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors, Vol. I- https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FLHG-17thCentColAncI&h=176864&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt&_gl=1*1bybz8n*_ga*NDE0ODIxMzYyLjE2NjQ0MTIxOTc.*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*MTY2NjEzNjA2My4zNC4xLjE2NjYxNDk2MjkuNTQuMC4w
Billie
edited by Billie (Bright) Keaffaber
edited by Paul Smith
But if as it stands we have duplicate profiles, then should we let sleeping dogs lie, or doesn't that conflict with Wikitree's purpose? As I understand Project Protection, the next move, if any, is up to the Project, so you may get your wish, and I don't really mind. Thank you for chiming in.
If the discrepancies are the parents, Wikitree allows you to merge, but you have to make a choice of parents during the merge; it's better to resolve any parent issues before the merge.
If the discrepancies are the children, this is really best resolved AFTER the merge. If before the merge, profile A has children 1, 3 ands 5, and profile B has children 2 and 4, the merge keeps them all and the combined profile will have children 1,2,3,4 and 5. It is good in a biography to have a separate subsection for children, in which each child is listed and documentatio provided as to why that individual is a child of these parents. At that point you may discover that child #2 or child #5 really don't belong there,and they can be detached at that time.
The same with wives. If the profiles show different wives but it is really apparent that the profiles being merged are the same indivdual, when the merge is done, both wives will appear. Then it's important in the biographical narrative to document each wife. If one proves not to belong there, she can be deleted.
Where two profiles may be for two different persons, I recommend that the narratives be cross-referenced for easy comparison. And then one clearly state at the top, this is Thomas son of John and Mary and the other, this is Thomas the Immigrant. Any facts which could easily apply to both of them can be documented under Research Notes and placed on both profiles. Then as more facts are discovered, one can make the decision of whetherthey are really two different persons, or one. What threw me in the earlier discussion was the idea that they were the same person but the children were in conflict. That's an easily solved problem, but the differences you pointed out have to be resolved by research before any merge is made.
I sent you message those findagrave are duplicates I personally contacted and marked them duplicates on findagrave. They are working on trying to merg them.
Billie
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/131672650/thomas-wingfield
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/203682907/thomas-wingfield
Billie