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Mann Families of the Colonial South

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This page covers three branches, focusing primarily on the two main branches of the Virginia Manns and touching on the South Carolina Manns (see Branches, below, which includes a note about Y-DNA). Some of the information below may also be presented on the WikiTree profiles of those named here (for example, the profile for James Mann, son of Catlett, includes a detailed list of his children & his wife's profile has a combined timeline for them that includes tax list information).

Contents

Branches

Apparently, during the mid to late 1700s, at least two different branches of Manns were in southern Virginia (centered in Amelia County) and one in South Carolina, with several first names shared by the two Virginia branches, leading to much confusion over the years. A large Mann family in the southern part of Virginia (south/southwest of Richmond) was the family of Robert Mann and Isabelle Griffin Mann:

Robert Mann, of English descent but unidentified parents, first appeared in the 1677 will of William Griffin in Henrico, VA. His wife Isabel was also mentioned, with Robert being executor. So, it's believed that William Griffin was her father, with Isabel being one of his older children. Robert Mann appeared in a number of land deeds and at least 2 tithe lists from 1679 through the early 1700s. Robert and Isabel/Isabelle owned land in Henrico in the area that is now Colonial Heights in Chesterfield County, on Swift Creek. Their home place can identified today by the fact that it was on Swift Creek straight across from a mill owned by Henry Randolph. The mill was built around 1663 and as of 2022 houses the Swift Creek Mill Theatre.

He wrote his will in 1712 and his widow Isabelle presented the will to the court in July 1713. His will listed 4 sons and 2 daughters in this will, appearing to be in birth order:

1. Robert Mann, Jr (~1675-1647 Henrico, VA), wife Mary. Some of his adult children lived in Amelia County. 2. Thomas Mann, Sr (died ~1770-1774 in Chesterfield, VA); wife Priscilla. 3. Mary Mann (b~1690-1695, married Seth Perkinson Jr., and died around 1731 in Henrico County. 4. John Mann (b~1690-1695, died in 1765 in Amelia County. First wife Mary, second wife Elizabeth. 5. Francis Mann, Sr (born ~1690-1700, died late 1753 in Amelia County. Lived in Amelia County from 1735 until his death in late 1753. Wife was Elizabeth, believed to have been born Elizabeth Turner. 6. Jane Mann (nothing known about her other than she was alive as of her father's will in early 1712.

5 of the 6 known children of Robert Mann had known children of their own, with most of them being identified by name in their father's or mother's wills. At times, some of the children lived near their cousins, making identification of each one a challenge, since the family tended to use an extremely tiny Book of Children's Names.

As with most online trees of 17th and early 18th Century families in America, almost every online tree for these Manns contains significant errors. A research group, called the Mann Family Research Foundation, was organized in an attempt to conduct real research of original records, to conduct DNA analysis, including Y-DNA, and to make logical conclusions based on the vast amount of information that they have accumulated through their research. The unique Y-DNA group for this specific Mann family is T-M70. Its only identified living relatives in England have been linked either to Surrey or Hampshire, England. But, every online tree that attempts to list parents for Robert Mann Sr offer zero evidence, and are almost always lacking in logic.

Virginia
  • Samuel Mann (abt.1735-abt.1806), son of Samuel, with brothers John, James, and Robert (W. Mann's line) Samuel's uncle Francis Mann, Sr died in Amelia in 1753. Another uncle, John Mann, born around 1690, lived in Raleigh Parish and died in 1765. But, he only had one male heir, named Charles Worsham Mann. Primarily, Samuel Mann's family was also in the northern half of Amelia, often referred to as Raleigh Parish. The southern half of the county was Nottoway Parish of Amelia County. Around 1799, this area became Nottoway County, with its own set of legal records. Nottoway Parish (later Nottoway County) is the primary new-found area of interest to descendants of Catlett Mann, including the Manns of Elbert County, GA, who have commonly been linked to the state of South Carolina.
  • John Mann (abt.1740-1800), son of Catlett, with brothers James and Robert (Liz Shifflett's line) - Note: This family is shown in online trees and DAR records as being from South Carolina, instead of Amelia County, Virginia. Reliable sources support Virginia (as shown on this page, on Space: Noland-165 - Me to the Manns, and on their profiles). This John left a will dated 17 August 1799 that was proved in Nottoway County (formerly Amelia County). More information is below (see Location Notes and, for John's will, see John, son of Catlett).
South Carolina (see Mann Family Research, below)
  • Nathaniel Mann, son of DAR Patriot Ancestor James Mann[1]

DNA

A note on the profile for John Mann (with the 1799 will) references Y-DNA:

"John Mann of Nottoway Parish, Amelia, VA was born about 1740. He was the son of Catlett Mann and Sarah Unknown. NOTE: this John Mann does not appear to be related to other John Manns in Amelia, VA or to other Manns who lived in the Raleigh Parish region of Amelia County. Y-DNA separates descendants of Catlett Mann from the extended Robert/Isabelle Mann family that lived in Chesterfield, Amelia, Lunenburg and nearby counties at the time."[2]

The profile for James Mann (abt.1745-aft.1814) included the following information from W. Mann.

This line appears to belong to the R-M269 Y-DNA group (per W. Mann, correspondence from February 2023). Additional information courtesy of W. Mann...
  • I mentioned R-M269 being your Manns' Y-DNA. You can google Y-DNA, Mann and FTDNA and view the page that lists all Y-DNA test-takers by their group. There are 3 test-takers listed there by their "oldest known ancestor", who I believe are among the Elbert [Georgia] Manns.[3]
  • "Regarding the parents of John Mann's father James, in Amelia County, VA, there is a document in 1782 listing a James Mann whose father was deceased, but whose mother was Sarah in the deed. This document was the will of a Robert Mann. My distant cousin, who lives in VA and does research there, said this is likely the Catlett Mann family, a guy who died in Amelia, VA around 1781. (probably a different extended Mann family than mine, due to Y-DNA testing of male descendants of your Manns versus mine)."
  • "In early 2023, when I found the legal document regarding a James Mann of Amelia County, VA, I asked one of the MFRF's primary researchers [MFRF is Mann Family Research Foundation] how this James Mann could have linked to our family, since many of our Manns were in Amelia at that time. His reply was that he did NOT connect, and that he is believed to connect to the Manns of Elbert County via Catlett Mann. The document was the will of a Robert Mann of Amelia, from September 1782, which mentioned his mother Sarah, plus brothers James and John. ... By the way, your Manns appear to belong to the R-M269 Y-DNA group." Profiles just mentioned:

Virginia Manns

Samuel Mann's family was in Raleigh Parish; Catlett's in Nottoway Parish.[4]

John, son of Catlett

The sons of Catlett Mann include John (his executor), James (who led a suit against John by Catlett's heirs),[5][6] and Robert (d. 1782, naming Catlett and Sarah as his parents).[7]

Catlett Mann (abt.1712-abt.1781) and his wife
sons
daughters
Catlett married Sarah (marriage date and maiden name not known).
Sarah Mann, wife of Catlet Mann, was recorded in a Lunenburg County land transaction in 1768.[8]

A lawsuit on behalf of "Heirs of Catlett Mann" vs. John Mann, administrator of Catlett Mann's estate was filed 4 November 1783 in Chancery Court, Amelia County, Virginia. Catlett's son James was a plaintiff, along with several daughters and their husbands, including Stephen and Judith Dupuy. Also, one grandchild, Jesse Wilkes, was also a plaintiff.[9]

A transcription of the 1799 will of Catlett's son John is found on his profile - John Mann (abt.1740-1800).

Will of John Mann, written 19 August 1799, proved 4 December 1800 in Nottoway County, Virginia[10] Abstracted names:
  • John Mann of Nottoway County
  • wife Elizabeth
  • son Jonathan G. Mann
  • daughter Martha W. Mann
  • John Malone Dupuy, son of Stephen Dupuy [husband of John's sister Judith]
  • James Mann son of my brother James Mann
  • children of my sister Judith Dupuy, "except John M. Dupuy before mentioned"
  • Elizabeth Mitchell
  • Milly Mitchell
Named as neighbors of bequeathed land:
  • Joseph Jenning's line (formerly Henry Ferguson's)
  • Robert Vaughn's line
  • Edward Ward's line
Named Slaves
  • Dick (to wife, then to son)
  • Elsy (to wife - Clarissa?)
  • Bartlett (to son Jonathan)
  • Murrear, a girl (to son Jonathan)
  • David, a boy (to son Jonathan)
  • Liley (to son Jonathan)
  • Poll (to son Jonathan)
  • Hall (to daughter Martha)
  • Jenny (to daughter Martha)
  • Oliver (to daughter Martha)
  • Dicy (to daughter Martha)
  • Clarissa (to daughter Martha)
Executors:
  • Stephen Dupuy
  • James Dupuy, Jr.
  • Daniel Nasser (or Vasser)
  • Robert Vaughn Jun.
Witnesses:
  • George Baldwin
  • Joseph Vaughn
  • Joseph Gafford
The last will and testament of John Mann deceased was proved by oaths of George Baldwin and Joseph Gafford "offered for probate... at the courthouse on Thursday the 5th of February 1801.... Dabury Morris and Gibs (Giles?) Nance his [Stephen Dupuy's] securities".
Note: The transcription appears to have a disconnect on dates in its presentation of the full text of the preceding paragraph, by introducing it with "In Nottoway County Court, December 4th, 1800:" (which precedes the 1801 date in the text). The transcription also suggests that "Gibs" might be "Giles".
Another John - John Mann (1767-1841)]] - was the son of James, the brother of John (d 1800).
  • The profile for the younger John (Mann-7090) has a will abstract that names Frances his daughter and Thomas Malone his son-in-law.[11]
    • Will of John Mann, written 2/10/1841, proved 7/5/1841, names children Worsham J., John J., Stephen A., Thomas J., Acy [Asa] V., Frances Malone, Sarah K. Akin & names Thomas Malone his son in law and one of his executors.
Liz is descended from Frances (see the relationship outlined on Liz's WikiTree page, Me to the Manns).

Tax Rolls & Tithable Lists

  • 1746: John Mann and Samson appear on Amelia Tithables list taken by Thomas Tabb. Edward Hubbard (1) and Benjamin Hubbard (2 - with Ben Hendrick) are listed on the same page. Possibly Mary (Hubbard) Mann's relations? But, to clarify, this John Mann was the older John Mann of Raleigh Parish, (uncle of Samuel) who died in 1765. [12][13]
  • 1749: Catlett Mann appears on the Nottoway Parish Tithables list for Amelia County[14]
  • 1764: Catlett Mann and James Mann together in Amelia Tithables list.[15]
  • 1766: Catlett Mann and James Mann on Amelia Tithables list.[16]
  • 1779: Tithables List for Nottoway Parish, Amelia County, Virginia includes
    • "Judah Johns" (widow of John Johns) listed "with two of her sons (Stephen and Nathaniel Johns). The name next to hers on the list was a James Mann.[17]
    • Catlett Mann listed with Robert Mann (most likely his son Robert).[18]
  • 1780, 26 October: Catlett Mann "presented a motion to the Amelia County, Virginia Court to be granted exemption from county taxes. The court noted that he was 'aged and infirm', so the exemption was approved[14]

Land Records

  • 1768, 12 May: Sarah Mann, wife of Catlet Mann, appeared in Lunenburg County County to relinquish her dower rights to land conveyed by her husband to Lyddal Bacon in the previous court.[19]
  • 1770, 3 April: Joel Tanner of Nottoway Parish to John Johns... Witnesses : John Gooch, John Johns Jr., and Joel Johns (Amelia Co., VA Deed Book 11, pg.115). Judith Johns' mother is said to have been born Tanner, which this record supports. [20]
  • 1783: "When Catlett Mann died, John Mann was his administrator, and was sued by Catlett's heirs".[21] James Mann was among them.[22]
  • 120 acres - apparently the same 120 acres in the following land records:
    • 1794, 4 September: John Mann, Jr sold 120 acres to James Mann, adjacent to John Mann, Sr,[23] Robert Vaughan, and others. The deed described this land as being part of a tract of land that "Catholick Mann" had left to the same John Mann in his will. (Amelia, VA Deed Book 1, page 398)
    • 1796, 7 March: James Mann, Sr sold a 120-acre tract (likely the same one just mentioned) to his brother John Mann, Sr. The court made special provisions for James' wife Judith to gain her approval of the sale, as she had been unable to attend the court on March 7. (Amelia, VA Deed Book 1, page 520)
  • pre-1799: Before John Mann wrote his 19 August 1799 will, he purchased a plantation "of James Mann with two hundred and forty and a half acres of land to be laid: of by a line running from Edward Ward's line near the black pond to Robert Vaughn's line" (which he left to his son Jonathan). John also left "one hundred acres of the tract of land where on I now live adjoining Joseph Jenning's line (formerly Henry Ferguson's) Robert Vaughn's line and Edward Ward's line". The will does not say whether or not this is a separate plantation or if he is partitioning a single plantation: 100 acres to his wife and 240+ to his son, with the remainder to his daughter (presumably all in Nottoway County).[24]
  • 1799, 19 August: John Mann (born about 1740) wrote his will and in it named "James Mann son of my brother James Mann" and "my sister Judith Dupuy". The will was "offered for probate" in Nottoway County Court on 4 December 1800. (Nottoway County Will Book 1, Page 416)[24]
Elbert County, Georgia - "Historical Collection Georgia Chapters DAR Vol III Elbert County"[25]
  • page 29: James Mann, Sr. - Page 17 - To wife Judith full possession of all estate including slaves Daniel, Dosha, and Silva. At death or marriage of wife, Judith an equal division amongst my sons viz: John, Joel, Jesse, James Jr., Jeremiah, Asa and Henry Mann and daughters Martha Shackleford and Elizabeth Roebuck. Wife Judith and son John Exers. Signed June 24, 1814. Probated November 4, 1816. John Carrol, James Shackleford-Test. (James Shackleford born in Orange County, Virginia and was a Revolutionary Soldier) Will Proven August 11, 1814. [sic - 1817]
  • page 95: James Mann -Page 107 - dec'd Inventory November 22, 1816, page 298. Returns for 1819 shows receipts of George Roebuck, Henry Shackleford, Jeremiah, James, Asa and Henry Mann for their full legacies, except what is reserved for the support of the widow Judith Mann.
  • page 209: James Mann, Sr. and wife Judah - Folio 129 - To James Mann, Jr., 200 acres on south side of Vanns Creek.December 30, 1797. Reuben Whyte, Test.[26]

Mann Family Bible

Following from the Mann Bible owned by Mrs. W. W. Smith, Swainsboro, Ga., as published in Historical Collections Georgia Chapters DAR, published 1932:[27]

Marriages
  • John Mann, b. 10-27-1767, d. 5-6-1841, m. 7-16-1791, Mary Hubbard
  • Henry Mann, b. 2-14-1786, m. 6-28-1809, Sally Halley
  • Sally K. Mann, b. 2-14-1803, d. 8-3-1888, m. 1-8-1824, William Aiken (1801-1837)
  • Henry Jackson Wilder (4-18-1831 - 9-23-1862), m. Saphronia Aiken, 1887, who was b. 9-1-1835, d. 1903
  • Henry Jackson Wilder, b. 10-2-1862, d. 11-1-1910, m. 12-18-1887, Leila Harden
Births:
Brothers and Sisters of John Mann:
  • Joel Mann, 9-3-1769
  • Jessey Mann, 8-5-1771
  • James Mann, 9-12-1773
  • Jeremiah Mann, 6-10-1775 d.1838
  • Martha Mann, 1779
  • Elizabeth Mann, 11-20-1782
  • Asa Mann, 3-14-1785
  • Henry Mann, 2-14-1786
Children of John Mann and Mary Hubbard:
  • Worsham Mann, 9-11-1793, d. 1864, m. 2-20-1817
  • John J. Mann, 1-13-1797, m. 12-26-1816
  • Polly Royster Mann, 2-22-1796
  • Stephen Mann, 2-22-1799, d. 11-15-1840, m. 7-8-1824
  • Frances Mann, 3-16-1801
  • Sally K. Mann, 2-14-1803, d. 8-3-1888, m. 1-8-1824
  • Thomas Mann, 11-5-1804, d. 1854, m.
  • James J. Mann, 2-22-1807, d. 6-7-1825
  • Asa Mann, 11-8-1809, d. 8-2-1888
Children of Sally K. Mann and William Aiken:
  • Jerusha Ann Katherine Aiken, 9-22-1824, m. Pye
  • Jennie Aiken, m. James Dumas
  • Sarah Blakely Aiken, 11-11-1829, m. Robinson, 11-11-1859
  • Ida Aiken, m. McGinnis
  • William E. Aiken, 1834, d. 1860
  • Saphronia Aiken, 9-1-1835, d. 1903, m. 1887

Mann Family Research

From the notes on a Rootsweb tree's entry for James Mann:[28]

"Elbert Co. GA James MANN sr. and wife Judah (Judith) Folio 129 to James M ann, Jr. 200 A on South side of Vann's Creed, Dec 30 1797 It seems unlikely that this James Mann was the son of Robert and Susannah Man of Ireland/SC. 2 sons (Asa and Henry) listed VA as their birthplace on the Harris Count y GA 1860 census. The history of Ray/Caldwell County Missouri material online describes Jessee Mann as a native of Virginia who moved to GA when young, married, moved to Tennessee and then to Missouri. The dates given for James Mann son of Robert Man family of SC who immigrated in 1767 when his son James was only 3 also point to this fact because this James Mann's first child John Mann was born in 1767. The SC James was a dependent of Robert in 1767, when Robert was granted land in SC. The amount of land Robert received was based on 100 acres for him and 50 per dependent."[28]

The following was posted by W. Mann, a contributor to the "Mann Family Research Foundation" (cited as source on a profile created in May 2021).[29]

The James Mann family of Elbert County, GA has been the subject of much creative, possibly inaccurate genealogy for many decades, probably due to the difficulty of searching records prior to the internet, combined with past relatives completing applications to join the DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution). For example, the family of James' wife Judith Johns has its roots in southern Virginia. Yet, nobody has ever explained how James Mann of SC met her in Virginia. Also, their son Jesse Mann, in local history published from Ray County, Missouri, states that this Jesse Mann was a native of Virginia, who migrated from GA to TN, and then to Missouri. Also, at one point James Mann sent a son to take care of family business in Virginia. So, clearly, there was a strong Virginia connection. As of 2023, at least one Mann researcher believes it is more likely that this James Mann of Elbert County actually is linked to the family of Catlett Mann of southern Virginia, not any South Carolina Mann family. So, some new research could prove useful, instead of just recopying old information that might be partially or even mostly wrong.

Biographies often state that James Mann was born in Newberry, SC around 1745. Yet, his supposed parents are supposed to have immigrated to America in 1767. So, how was James already in SC before his parents got there? Also, their immigration records refer to a son James, age 11, which would place his year of birth around 1755 or 1756. Lastly, while there were settlements in the area around the mid-1740s, the area which became Newberry, SC (many years later) was a rough, lightly populated area by settlers in the 1740s.

One of the most significant clues that something has been wrong with the family narrative would be the births of James' 3 oldest sons John (born 1767), Joel (born 1769), and Jesse (born 1771) - years of birth from a Family Bible from their brother John's family. The James, "son of Robert and Susannah", was clearly listed age 11 in 1767. So, it is impossible that the James of Elbert County was the same person, without someone having made a huge mistake in listing his age when Robert & Susannah immigrated.

Subsequent discussion yielded the following, which may help track down James's parents:

Hi Liz, my Mann family and the Manns who connect to Elbert County, GA lived all over Georgia during the early 1800s, often with some of the same first names. My Manns ended up in Monroe County around 1850, but 10-15 miles north (now in Lamar County) of where John Mann's family lived in Monroe. So, I've seen references to John Mann for many years. He was on the 1815 Tax List of Elbert County along with brothers Jeremiah and James, plus his son Worsham, and then appears to be on the 1820 census of Elbert County, age 45+, with 4 younger males, 1 F under 10, and wife 45+. (His sister Martha's husband Henry Shackelford was on the same page of the census).

Regarding the parents of John Mann's father James, in Amelia County, VA, there is a document in 1782 listing a James Mann whose father was deceased, but whose mother was Sarah in the deed. This document was the will of a Robert Mann. My distant cousin, who lives in VA and does research there, said this is likely the Catlett Mann family, a guy who died in Amelia, VA around 1781. (probably a different extended Mann family than mine, due to Y-DNA testing of male descendants of your Manns versus mine).

And I wonder if Robert Mann (65, born in South Carolina) in the 1850 census for Walton, Georgia, is a relative of either of our families. His household includes a 17-year-old James A. Mann who was also born in Sourth Carolina.[30] The following, from another post by W. Mann, indicates Robert as a family name.

"In early 2023, when I found the legal document regarding a James Mann of Amelia County, VA, I asked one of the MFRF's primary researchers how this James Mann could have linked to our family, since many of our Manns were in Amelia at that time. His reply was that he did NOT connect, and that he is believed to connect to the Manns of Elbert County via Catlett Mann. The document was the will of a Robert Mann of Amelia, from September 1782, which mentioned his mother Sarah, plus brothers James and John. ... By the way, your Manns appear to belong to the R-M269 Y-DNA group."

FamilySearch Census Records/PIDs

Links to Census Records in FamilySearch database
  • "United States Census, 1860" for Georgia > Monroe > Crowders District no 595 Georgia Militia, FamilySearch database with images, (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZMN-HMR : 18 February 2021), Sephronia Aiken in entry for Sarah Aiken, 1860. Image (accessed 11 February 2023).
FamilySearch PIDs

Location Notes

Amelia County formed from Brunswick County and Prince George County in 1734-5.[31] Judith Johns, wife of James Mann, is said to have been born in Brunswick County. The 1782 settlement of her father's estate, which named them as legatees, was recorded in Amelia County.[32][33][34]

Lunenburg County was formed in 1746 from Brunswick County.[31] A 1768 land transaction recorded in Lunenburg County involved Catlet Mann and his wife Sarah.[35]

Nottoway Parish, created in 1748, served Amelia County until after 1785. Nottoway County was created from Amelia County in 1788.[36][37] Catlet Mann and his descendants are most closely associated with Nottoway Parish, Amelia County, and Nottoway County. Catlet's grandson James Mann moved to Elbert County, Georgia but James's son James apparently remained in Virginia, at least for a time (he appears to be the James Mann in Elbert County's 1815 Tax List (see his father's profile).

The specific area where Catlett Mann, his children, and neighbors lived appears to a few miles (3-5) northeast of modern-day Crewe, Virginia. Barebone Creek and West Creek are two physical features mentioned in deeds that correspond to the Manns and their neighbors Vaughan and Ferguson.

Prince George County (1702-today):[31]

  • Prince George formed from Charles City----------------------------1702-1703
  • Brunswick formed from Prince George------------------------------1720-1732
  • Amelia formed from Brunswick and Prince George-------------1734-1735
  • Dinwiddie formed from Prince George-------------------------------1752
The Independent City of Petersburg was incorporated in 1835 (located in Chesterfield, Dinwiddie, & Prince George Cos.).[31]

Parishes of Virginia: The webpage listing parishes of Virginia and the counties they served does not mention Nottoway County.[38] As noted by the Encyclopedia of Virginia: "A parish in colonial Virginia was a unit of both civil and religious authority that covered a set geographical territory."[39] This changed after the Revolution, as explained by Pohick Church's website:

"After the Revolutionary War, with the Religious Freedom Act of 1785, Virginia formally disestablished the Church of England as the official church of the Commonwealth. Episcopal churches (as they came to be called) underwent difficult times."[40]

Nottoway County was formed after 1785.[31]

Leads

DAR Leads

Earlier Generations

Immigrant Manns with WikiTree profiles include

Other early Virginia Manns - possibly an immigrant ancestor or close:

Timberneck Plantation, on the York River in Gloucester County, Virginia, was the home of John Mann (abt.1631-1695).[41] His will, "proved at a Court held for Gloucester County on 18 February 1694/5... mentioned his cousin Mary Hampton, son-in-law Edmund Berkeley (step-son), Goddaughter Anne Booker, wife Mary Mann, daughter Mary Page, grandchildren Joseph and Edmund Ring, Mr John Williams, son-in-law Matthew Page. He divided his land equally between cousin Mary Hampton and step-son Edmund Berkeley. His executors were his wife Mary, his son-in-law Matthew Page and daughter Mary Page."[42] Note: Sentence crossed out from quoted matter, as it appears to have been a misinterpretation. See below for a different reading of the will (leaving his entire estate to his daughter Mary).

In 1792, Timberneck was bought by John Catlett, a grandson of Thomas Catlett "(second son of second Col. John Catlett" and Elizabeth Gaines). "Major Thomas d. in 1739 and his wife 'Martha' administered on his estate, which was inventoried 7th November, 1739.. (Caroline Co. Records.)"[43]

John Catlett (1760-1808) was "an imminent lawyer of King William and Gloucester counties. He bought in 1792 'Timberneck' (the old home of the Mann's and where is now the burying ground containing Mann tombs), from Gov. John Page, of 'Rosewell.'"[43]

Mary (Mann) Page, daughter of John Mann (will proved 1694/5), was born at Timberneck Plantation and buried at Rosewell Plantation, also in Gloucester County. Governor Page is her great-great-grandson.[44]

See also the following Wikipedia articles:

See also DHR - Timberneck, nominating application (pdf), and 2022 boundary increase (pdf). From the application:

"Timberneck was, in the 17th and 18th centuries, the Mann family homestead. On the property are two late 17th- and one early 18th-century tomb slabs marking Mann family graves. Shortly before 1793, John Catlett of King William County purchased 600 acres of land from Governor John Page of nearby Rosewell and added another 109 acres by 1797. John Page was a descendant of the Mann family. On the 109-acre parcel, sometime before his death in 1808, Catlett built the first portion of the present house. His will, recorded in 1808 and copied in a family history in 1918, named his son, John W. C. Catlett {1803-1883) as heir to "the plantation in which I now live." (Few such early Gloucester wills exist as most of the county's antebellum records have been destroyed). As recorded in the land tax books, John W.C. Catlett added the large wing which comprises the remainder of the historic portion of the house in 1856-58. Although the Catletts had come to Virginia in the 17th century, settling in what was to become Essex County, it is really with John W.C. Catlett that the family gained political prominence in Gloucester. John W.C. Catlett was a lawyer and a member of the State Senate. His second son and heir to Timberneck was Charles Catlett (1845-1917), a county judge."
[1] Dr. and Mrs. William Carter Stubbs, A History of Two Virginia Families. (New Orleans, 1918), pp. 38-40.

Timberneck also connects the Manns and the Catletts through John Mann's niece, Mary:

Capt. John Hampton of Kingston Parish "married, before 1683, Mary, niece of John Mann, of Gloucester (will 1694), who left a legacy 'to my cousin, Mary Hampton' (cousin meaning niece in ancient times)." Another Mary Hampton, daughter of John and Mary's second son Thomas Hampton, married George Catlett, son of Thomas and Martha Catlett. George's estate was administered in 1769 by his widow, Mary (Hampton) Catlett.[43]
The DHR appliation notes that he left his entire estate to his only daughter, Mary (Mann) Page:
  • "John Mann died and was buried at Timberneck in January of 1694/5, leaving all of his property, after the death of his wife, to his daughter Mary Mann Page.[18]"
    [18] John Mann apparently had warm relationships with the son and daughter of his wife’s first marriage. He left a bequest of cash to Edmund Berkeley. He also made the children of his stepdaughter Sarah Berkeley Ring contingent heirs of Rosewell, should his daughter Mary die without issue. Will of John Mann, written 6 January 1694/5 and proved in Gloucester County Court 18 February 1694/5. "Berkeley Manuscripts," pp. 136-138.

Following is the "See also" list on the profile of John Mann as of 2 March 2023:

  • The William and Mary Quarterly. 3:34.
  • "The Letters and Times of the Tylers." The William and Mary Quarterly. 3:212
  • Stubbs. "A history of two Virginia families transplanted from county Kent, England. Thomas Baytop, Tenterden, 1638, and John Catlett, Sittingbourne, 1622" by Stubbs, William Carter, 1846-1924. cn; Stubbs, Elizabeth Saunders (Blair) "W. C. Stubbs Mrs." https://archive.org/stream/historyoftwovirg00stub/historyoftwovirg00stub_djvu.txt

Later Generations

Worsham Mann - a son of John Mann born 1793, according to the Bible [(see above) - has a profile: Worsham Mann (abt.1793-). But there must be another Worsham, born in 1774 according to profile text on Virginia ("Andrews-Mann") Royall's profile. Following was posted to her profile - Virginia (Andrews-Mann) Royal (1798-1880) - on 12 February 2023:

I think that Virginia Andrews is a different woman. The death certificate [wasn't a certificate - I meant the record cited in the profile] has her born in 1798, but the 1850 census for Peter Royall and his wife Virginia has her as 37 years old (so born c1813... which is probably not right either considering an 1822 marriage).

This Worsham Mann, the father of Virginia Mann Royal, was born prior to 1770 according to researchers for his extended family (1774 was too late of an estimate, due to his first appearance on a tax list in 1789 in Dinwiddie, VA). He was the son of William Mann and Mary Ann Worsham, and grandson of Thomas Mann, Sr and wife Priscilla, who settled in Chesterfield County. These individuals belong to the same extended family as Samuel Mann , as Thomas Mann, Sr was a son of Robert Mann and Isabelle Griffin Mann. This Worsham Mann married Ann Wilson and lived mostly in Chesterfield County.

FamilySearch has two PIDs, although noted as possible duplicates they do not appear to be duplicates ... just conflated a bit. Note: The Cain Mann listed below, son of Worsham Mann's brother Ephraim Mann, was a nephew of this Worsham Mann:

  • https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GMT6-ZMZ for Virginia Andrews (about 1805 – 22 August 1876) has marriage to Cain Mann in Chesterfield on 16 March 1822.... the death register for Amelia County supports that Virginia Mann, daughter of Wm Andrews, died 22 August 1876 (age 78) image 636 of 703... although "informant" entry has ditto marks - " - tracked up="Father" (which is highly unlikely). The only person close in the death registers for 1880 was an Amelia Anderson, daughter of William, but she was 6.
  • https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L2GW-WJ9 for Virginia Mann (1804 – 1880) has marriage to Peter Royall in Chesterfield on 19 February 1822. I couldn't find anything to support her death in 1880, but one of the 17 sources attached to her FS PID is the 1916 Death Certificate of her & Peter's son Robert Wright Royall lists his mother's maiden name as Virginia Mann.<ref>"Virginia, Death Certificates, 1912-1987," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVRQ-YBC5 : 16 August 2019), Virginia Mann in entry for Robert Wright Royall, 30 Aug 1916; from "Virginia, Marriage Records, 1700-1850," database and images, Ancestry (http://www.ancestry.com : 2012); citing Jetersville, Amelia, Virginia, United States, entry #, Virginia Department of Health, Richmond.</ref>

See https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91C-89X1-M?cc=2134304 (image 905 of 978) - it gives permission, from Worsham Mann - signed (his mark) 16 Feb. 1822 - for Mr. Poindexter to issue a license for Peter Royall to marry "my daughter, Virginia Mann". It was proved 19 Feb. 1822 by Wright W. Mann.

Virginia license issued 19 Feb 1822 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91C-8967-D?i=907&cc=2134304 (image 908 of 978) - signed (his mark) by Peter Royall. License issued on bond of Peter Royall & Wright W. Mann for Peter's married to Virginia Mann, daughter of Worsham Mann.

Chesterfield County register of marriages (page 170 - image 184 of 794) lists him as father also.

Sources cited in the profile for Virginia Andrews-Mann:
  • Find A Grave: Memorial #73779602 for Virginia Mann
  • "Virginia Deaths and Burials, 1853-1912," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X51H-39J : 12 December 2014), Virginia Mann, 22 Aug 1876; citing Amelia County, Virginia, reference L-55; FHL microfilm 2,056,973.
  • "United States Census, 1850," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M88L-RC6 : 9 November 2014), Virginia Royall in household of Peter Royall, Amelia county, part of, Amelia, Virginia, United States; citing family 116, NARA microfilm publication M432 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
  • "Virginia Marriages, 1785-1940," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRD8-CY9 : 5 December 2014), Peter Royall and Virginia Mann, 09 Feb 1822; citing Chesterfield, Virginia, reference p 170; FHL microfilm 30,869.
Leads: "...Worsham Mann (b. 1774 d. 1838) also of Chesterfield County is listed as her father. There is a connection between the two families as evidenced from the burials at Riverside Plantation Cemetery, (Mann Family Cemetery) in Chesterfield County, Virginia. The cemetery is located at 8631 West River Road, Matoaca, Petersburg, VA 23803"
Info added by W. Mann 21 and 22 Feb 2023 to the profile of James Mann, including Agnes Mann Thompson/Thomson, James Mann, and John Mann (Barebone Creek, mentioned in other Mann deeds, is supposedly today's Little West Creek - WEST Creek is north of Little West Creek). This area is about 4 miles northeast of modern-day Crewe, Virginia, a town over 2000+ in Nottoway County :
  • 4 Jan 1791. Drury Thompson sold to Robert Vaughan 1111 acres on both sides of West Cr. £650. Adj. JAMES MANN, Benjamin Ward, dec’d., Daniel Jones, Thomas Field Jones, dec’d., William Jones, James Mann, John Mann. Witnesses: Samuel Jeter, Drury Thompson, Sr., Robert Vaughan, Jr., John Vaughan, George Hundley. Recorded 3 Feb 1791. (note, one daughter of Catlett Mann, Agnes, was married to a John Thomson/Thompson, so Drury could be some relation). The profile for this James does not mention a daughter Agnes. She doesn't seem to be any of the Agnes Manns that have a WikiTree profile, including these, that are close:
{many hours later}... I think maybe W.'s referring to a daughter of Catlett, whose profile lists a daughter Agnes and also an entry about an Amelia County land transaction that involved Robert Vaughan: Amelia, VA Deed Book 1, page 398; On 9/4/1794, John Mann, Jr sold 120 acres to James Mann, adjacent to John Mann, Sr, Robert Vaughan, and others. The deed described this land as being part of a tract of land that "Catholick Mann" had left to the same John Mann in his will. update: yup - additional info added 22 Feb has clarified who/where.

Footnotes

  1. ↑ Note that the DAR records have a lot of inaccuracies. There are two records for John Mann (one with service in Georgia and one with service in South Carolina), but any information from these records should be used as leads only. Also keep in mind that the only children of a Patriot Ancestor listed in the records are those with descendants that have joined the DAR.
    • James Mann (c1757 - after 8-7-1818), Patriot Ancestor #A073433, with service in SC, son Nathaniel married Margaret Richardson
    • James Mann (c1745 - before 4 November 1816), Patriot Ancestor #A073434, with service in Georgia, wife Judith (who received bounty land after his death), and children:
      • John Mann, married Mary Hubbard
      • Elizabeth Mann, married George Roebuck
      • Henry Mann, married Sally Haley
      • Jesse Mann, married Nancy Kidd White
      • Martha Mann, married Henry Shackelford
      • Asa Mann, married [2] Millie Oliver
  2. ↑ Copied from John's profile (Mann-14717) on 10 February 2023.
  3. ↑ I only found two GA Manns listed in a search 22 February 2023 (this website). One was Daniel J. Mann (abt.1802-1875) & I posted a comment to his profile. The other I couldn't find had a WikiTree profile: James Monroe Mann b 1824 GA d 1/29/1893 Clay Co.AL but he does have a memorial: Find A Grave: Memorial #35592448 James Monroe Mann.
  4. ↑ From a private message to Liz Shifflett from W. Mann in February 2023.
  5. ↑ Catlett's will and the 1783 lawsuit record are not cited here (the will, proved in Amelia County, Virginia, has not been found; I believe the 1783 lawsuit is available in Ancestry, but I am not a member. ~ Noland-165
  6. ↑ See also the Timeline posted on the profile of Judith Johns, James Mann's wife (a combined timeline for them; their children are listed in detail on his profile).
  7. ↑ From Robert's profile (10 February 2022):
    • Will of Robert Mann, September 1782 in Amelia County, VA; lists mother Sarah, and 2 brothers (James and John). His estate seemed to be very limited, so he might have been a younger, unmarried brother of James and John.
  8. ↑ FamilySearch film, Lunenburg County, Virginia Order Book No. 12 (1766-1769): page 146 (image 165 of 782), accessed 10 February 2023.
  9. ↑ From Judith (Mann) Dupuy's profile, 10 February 2023.
  10. ↑ Nottoway County, Virginia Will Book 1, Page 416
  11. ↑ Posted on the Find a Grave memorial for John Mann, citing Monroe Co. Will Abstracts "A" 1824 - 1847, page 182
  12. ↑ FamilySearch, Amelia County Tax image 150 of 801. Image 8 lists 1746 enumerators & has "Thomas Tabb's List, between Flatt Creek and Appomattox River" (accessed 12 February 2023).
  13. ↑ Benjamin's profile (Hubbard-3590) includes text to support the connection:
    • "August 1734 Prince George County 400 acres on upper side of Flatt Creek and one both sides of Haw Branch"
    • "13 October 1736 Amelia County VA Description 890 acres on the upper side of Flatt Creek"
    Of interest, another profile for a Benjamin Hubbard (Hubbard-3997) is attached to a profile for Husband of Hannah (Martin) Hubbard, "married 1763 in Halifax Co., Virginia". See also the profile for Joseph Hubbard, brother of Benjamin.
  14. ↑ 14.0 14.1 Catlett appeared on the Nottoway Parish Tithables lists for Amelia County in 1749 and on many of these annual lists through 1768 and on reports in the late 1770s. Catlett Mann was living as of October 26, 1780, when he presented a motion to the Amelia County, VA Court to be granted exemption from county taxes. The court noted that he was "aged and infirm", so the exemption was approved. ~ from Catlett's profile, 11 February 2023
  15. ↑ Found by W. Mann. See this FamilySearch image (accessed 11 February 2023). W. notes: "though the text is dark, you can look at other years and see the other names listed with Catlett match this entry. This would mean James was born no later than 1748, since he'd be at least age 16 on this tax list."
  16. ↑ Found by W. Mann, see this FamilySearch image (accessed 11 February 2023).
  17. ↑ Narrative biography added [to Judith's profile] by W. Mann on 3 February 2023, who added the following sources on the same day:
    • 1779 Tithables List for Nottoway Parish, Amelia County, Virginia; JUDAH JOHNS (widow of John Johns, appeared on this tax list, with 2 of her sons (Stephen and Nathaniel Johns). The name next to hers on the list was a JAMES MANN.
    • Nottoway County, VA Deed Book 1, page 520, dated 3/7/1796. James Mann, Sr sold 120 acres to John Mann, Sr. Wife Judith could not attend court that day, so the court made provision to get her approval, which was obtained one month later, on 4/7/1796.
  18. ↑ From Robert's profile (10 February 2022).
  19. ↑ FamilySearch film, Lunenburg County, Virginia Order Book No. 12 (1766-1769): page 146 (image 165 of 782), accessed 10 February 2023.
  20. ↑ From Judith's profile, 11 February 2023.
  21. ↑ From the profile of Catlett's son John Mann.
  22. ↑ From a private message to Liz from W. in February 2023. [need to check - "led by" rather than "among them"?]
  23. ↑ Junior/Senior: In this time and place, "Junior" and "Senior" were fluid and used to distinguish any two adults of the same name in official records, not necessarily father and son. See details here.
  24. ↑ 24.0 24.1 From transcription of John Mann's will posted on his profile, citing Nottoway County Will Book 1, Page 416.
  25. ↑ From this online tree, citing "Historical Collection Georgia Chapters DAR Vol III Elbert County".
  26. ↑ Record of sale in Georgia, 30 December 1797, to James Mann Jr. by James Mann Sr. and his wife Judith. See FamilySearch image 133 of 306 (accessed 11 February 2023).
  27. ↑ Information provided by W. Mann by personal e-mail, 10 February 2023. An Ancestry link was also provided (subscription needed): https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/tree/188978558/person/402453868818/media/36a54c6c-f596-4fe0-80bd-60b15e4e467f?usePUBJs=true
  28. ↑ 28.0 28.1 Darron K. McGee, "McGee, Ancestors of Darron McGee" (Rootsweb tree), entry for James Mann, accessed 11 February 2023.
  29. ↑ Mann Family Research Foundation, About Us (accessed 24 January 2023).
  30. ↑ "United States Census, 1850," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCML-KZ?cc=1401638&wc=95RC-RMY%3A1031315501%2C1031605501%2C1031605502 : 9 April 2016), Georgia > Walton > Walton county > image 82 of 166; citing NARA microfilm publication M432 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
  31. ↑ 31.0 31.1 31.2 31.3 31.4 Virginia Formation Maps (accessed 11 February 2023).
  32. ↑ From USGenWeb Archives, Amelia County Wills: "Will of John Johns, 1782, Will Book 3 Amelia County Virginia page 137 Date 25 July 1782", contributed by D. Gregory (accessed 24 January 2023).
  33. ↑ FamilySearch: Amelia, Virginia Will Books (1771–1786), 1782 settlement of John Johns' estate, image 269 of 428.
  34. ↑ See also Space: Noland-165 - Me to the Manns.
  35. ↑ FamilySearch film, Lunenburg County, Virginia Order Book No. 12 (1766-1769): page 146 (image 165 of 782), accessed 10 February 2023.
  36. ↑ See the category page for Nottoway Parish, Amelia County, Virginia Colony.
  37. ↑ "Parishes of Virginia" lists parishes and the counties they served up to 1785. It does not list Nottoway County, which was "pending" formation in 1788; it was legally "effective" in 1789 (see "History of County Formations in Virginia 1617-1995", accessed 24 February 2023).
  38. ↑ Freddie Spradlin, Parishes of Virginia (accessed 24 February 2023).
  39. ↑ Encyclopedia of Virginia: The Parish in Colonial Virginia (accessed 24 February 2023).
  40. ↑ History of Pohick Church, Post-Revolution (accessed 24 February 2023).
  41. ↑ Boddie, John Bennett (1966) Historical Southern Families, Vol. X. Genealogical Publishing (Pages 164-169, citing p 167)
  42. ↑ (Jan., 1898) "Berkeley Manuscripts." The William and Mary Quarterly. Omohundro Institute of Early American History and Culture, JSTOR.org accessed 18 Oct 2016 (Vol. 6, No. 3, pp. 135-152).
  43. ↑ 43.0 43.1 43.2 Stubbs, A history of two Virginia families..., pages 36-37, pages 100-101 (accessed 2 March 2023).
  44. ↑ WikiTree: Mary (Mann) Page (abt.1672-1707), and ancestors of Governor Page.






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