Lydia Lee (Green) Orme (1874 - 1952)

Born 11 Dec 1874 in Ipswich, Suffolk, England, United Kingdom

Ancestors

Wife of William Orme — married 25 Jul 1898 in Congleton

Descendants

Died 6 Sep 1952 at age 77 in Sheffield, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom

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Biography

Lydia Lee Green, known as Lilla (and later as Noanie by her grandchildren), was born at White Elm Street, Ipswich, Suffolk on 11 December 1874, the daughter of William Green and Lydia (Lee) Green (1841-1928).^[1] She was baptised on 30 September 1876 at Chelmsford, Essex.^[2]

At the time of the 1881 census Lydia (age 6), a Scholar, was with her family at Chelmsford, Essex, England.^[3]

In the 1891 census Lydia (age 16), was working as a Dressmaker. The family were living at St Ives, Huntingdonshire.^[4]

On 25 July 1898 Lilla (23) married William Orme (24) in Congleton, Cheshire.^[5][6] The story passed on in the family is that Lilla, was a governess to the "Benoit children" (Lydia's cousin, Ellen Lydia "Nelly" Clark married Louis Armand Benoit in 1894) ^[7] and William Orme used to cycle over to her at the weekends. They 'courted' by Rudyard Lake (about 7 miles from Congleton) - hence their first child was named William Rudyard.^[8][9]

They went on to have eight children altogether and Lilla recorded their births, and other events, in her Anniversary Book.

1. William Rudyard Orme (1899–1970) .
2. Freda Marjorie Orme (1900–1978) .
3. Laurence Lee Duncalf Orme (1903–1967) .
4. Yestin Jack Orme (1905–1962) .
5. Aaron Keith Orme (1907–1989) .
6. Lilla Justine Orme (1908–1909) .
7. Ronald Frank Orme (1911–1976) .
8. Joyce Orme (1912–1989)

In 1901 the family were still in Congleton, living at 22 West Road.^[10] Their first two children, William Rudyard (1899) and Freda Marjorie (1900) were both born in Congleton.

Their third child, Laurence Lee Duncalf, was born in Middleton, Lancashire. It is not currently known whether the family lived in Middleton.

By 1905, when their fourth child, Yestin Jack, was born, the family had moved to Woodbridge, Suffolk, where they remained^[11][12] until about about 1915, when the family moved from Woodbridge to Dronfield, Derbyshire, where William took up a new job.^[13]

William Orme died at Dronfield in 1921, aged 47 years.

In 1939, Lydia, a widow, was living with her daughter Marjorie and her family in Sheffield, Yorkshire.^[14]

Lilla passed away in Sheffield on 6 September 1952, aged 77 years.^[15][16]

Lydia Lee Green's Anniversary Book

Lydia has left us a wonderful little book containing a firsthand record of birth dates and special family events. There is a special WikiTree page with a transcription of each entry. Where the person in the entry has been identified, there are links to their WikiTree profile.

Sources

1. ↑ Lydia Lee Green's birth cirtificate held by Chris Orme.
2. ↑ "England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XK83-JT5 : 12 February 2018), Lydia Lee Green, 30 Sep 1876, father William Green, mother Lydia, Christening; citing Chelmsford, Essex, England, Essex Record Office, England; FHL microfilm 1,472,065.
3. ↑ 1881 Census: "England and Wales Census, 1881"
   citing The National Archives of the UK Class: RG11; Piece/Folio: 1762/14; Page: 22; Line: 25
   FamilySearch Record: Q27D-HCSK (accessed 8 May 2024)
   FamilySearch Image: 3Q9M-CS31-19BK-1
   Lydia L Green (6), unmarried daughter, Scholar, in household of William Green (36) in Chelmsford, Essex, England. Born in Ipswich, Suffolk, England.

   Name	Relation	Status	Sex	Age	Occupation	Birth Place
   William Green	Head	Married	M	36	Boiler Maker Journeyman	Ipswich, Suffolk
   Lydia Green	Wife	Married	F	36		Ipswich, Suffolk
   Lydia L Green	Daughter	Unmarried	F	6	Scholar	Ipswich, Suffolk
   William J Green	Son	Unmarried	M	4		Chelmsford, Essex
   Alfred J Green	Son	Unmarried	M	2		Chelmsford, Essex

4. ↑ 1891 Census: "England and Wales Census, 1891"
   citing The National Archives of the UK Class: RG12; Piece/Folio: 1241/ 78; Page: 29; Line: 19
   FamilySearch Record: 4Y8R-ZMM (accessed 8 May 2024)
   FamilySearch Image: 3Q9M-CSQQ-2KTH
   Lydia Green (16), single daughter, Dressmaker, in household of William Green (46) in St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England, United Kingdom. Born in Suffolk, England.

   Name	Relation	Status	Sex	Age	Occupation	Birth Place
   William Green	Head	Married	M	46	Boiler Maker	Suffolk
   Lydia Green	Wife	Married	F	46		Suffolk
   Lydia Green	Daughter	Single	F	16	Dressmaker	Suffolk
   William Green	Son		M	14	Printers Apprentice	Essex
   Alfred Green	Son		M	12	Scholar	Chelmsford, Essex

5. ↑ Marriage Certificate of Lydia Lee Green & William Orme, held by Chris Orme.
6. ↑ "England and Wales Census, 1911," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7GR-9Y3 : 2 August 2017), Lilla Lee Orme in household of William Orme, Woodbridge, , Suffolk, England; from "1911 England and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO RG 14, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
7. ↑ A family connection with the Benoits was formed when Lydia's cousin, Ellen Lydia "Nelly" Clark, married Louis Armand Benoit in 1894. However, as Nelly and Louis lived in Essex, it is not yet clear which Benoit children Lydia used to look after.
8. ↑ An original hand written genealogy by William Rudyard Orme, received (with many thanks) from Rudd's son, William "Bill" Orme, November 2017. "My mother, LeIla Lee Green, went to Congleton, where they met, and she has told of how he used to cycle, when she went as governess to the Benoits children, all the way from Congleton to Cafield[?], to continue their courtship, they were married in 1898 and I was born 23rd August 1899." "
9. ↑ Photocopy of a short typed note, with hand written corrections, to "Jill" (Dyson-150?) from "Elsie" (Jowitt-6?) dated 23 June 2004, kindly passed to Chris Orme by William "Bill" Orme in November 2017 as part of a pack of historic family documents and photographs.
10. ↑ 1901 Census: "England and Wales Census, 1901"
    citing Congleton subdistrict, PRO RG 13, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey
    FamilySearch Record: XS6V-9ST (accessed 8 May 2024)
    Lilla L Orme (26), wife, in household of William Orme (26) in Congleton registration district in Cheshire, England. Born in Ipswich, Suffolk.

    Name	Relation	Status	Sex	Age	Occupation	Birth Place
    William Orme	Head	Married	M	26	Engineer Manager of Gas Wks	Congleton, Cheshire
    Lilla L Orme	Wife	Married	F	26		Ipswich, Suffolk
    William R Orme	Son	Single	M	1		Congleton, Cheshire
    Freda M Orme	Daughter	Single	F	0		Congleton, Cheshire
    Mary A Menkin	Servant	Single	F	13	Housemaid (Domestic)	Congleton, Cheshire

11. ↑ "England and Wales Census, 1911," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7GR-9YS : 2 August 2017), William Orme, Woodbridge, , Suffolk, England; from "1911 England and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO RG 14, Piece: 10902; Schedule Number: 18 The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
12. ↑ Obiturary from a paper 8 September 1921. Thanks to Bill Orme for this clipping.
13. ↑ Derbyshire Times 10 Sep 1921 (handwritten on the newspaper clipping pasted to a piece of card), kindly given by grandson, Bill Orme, October 2017. "The funeral of Mr William Orme took place on Monday at Dronfield Cemetery. Mr Orme came from Woodbridge 6 years ago to take up duties as manager of the Dronfield Gas Company. He was a native of Congleton, Cheshire..."
14. ↑ The National Archives; Kew, London, England; 1939 Register; Reference: RG 101/3559I, William T Buchan household, accessed at Ancestry.com. 1939 England and Wales Register [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com, Operations, Inc., 2018
15. ↑ Death Certificate for Lydia Lee Orme held by Jill Dyson and details kindly shared with Chris Orme.
16. ↑ England and Wales Death Registration Index, Jul-Sep 1952, Sheffield, Vol.2d, p.74, ORME Lydia L, age 77, accessed at http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

WikiTree profile Green-6328 was created on 15th December 2012 by Chris Orme.