Yestin Jack Orme (1905 - 1962)

Born 12 Mar 1905 in Woodbridge, Suffolk, United Kingdom

Ancestors

Son of William Orme and Lydia Lee (Green) Orme

Husband of Dorothy Cecilia (Watson) Orme — married 24 Aug 1929 in Pokesdown, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom

Husband of Madeleine Elizabeth (Haynes) Orme — married 14 Apr 1954 in Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia

Descendants

Died 24 Jul 1962 at age 57 in Leighton, Western Australia, Australia

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Biography

Jack Orme was born in Suffolk, England.

This profile is part of the Orme Name Study.

Birth and Chilhood

Yestin Jack Orme, known as Jack, was born on 12 March 1905 in Woodbridge, Suffolk, the son of William Orme and Lydia Lee (Green) Orme, the fourth of eight children.^[1][2][3]

In her Anniversary Book his mother recorded that, “Jackie commenced school“ on 2 April 1909.

Jack's younger sister, Lilla Justine, died in 1909 at less than a year old. In 1911, aged six, Jack was living at home in Woodbridge with his parents and five siblings. His youngest sibling, Joyce, was born in 1912.

In about 1915 the family moved to Derbyshire where Jack’s father took up the duties of manager of the Dronfield Gas Company.^[4] Jack’s father died of typhoid six years later, on 31 August 1921.^[5]

Acting

By 1927 Jack had taken up acting, using the stage name Jack Deering.^[6] In July that year he was contracted to appear in "Tell Me More".^[7] The tour saw him perform at The Pavilion, Torquay in September 1927. The Stage magazine reported, “The tuneful music, catchy songs, and clever dancing were thoroughly enjoyed”.^[8]

Jack also played the in "The Yellow Mask", which opened in Liverpool in early 1929.^[9] By April the show had moved to the Lyceum in Sheffield and The Stage reported, "This highly spectacular piece is interpreted by a strong company".^[10] See the photo of Jack as Chief Steward Newall

Son and First Marriage

André, Jack's only child, as far as we know, was born in Derbyshire in December 1927. Jack married André's mother, Dorothy Cecilia Watson, on 24 August 1929 at St Andrew's Church, in the parish of Pokesdown, Bournemouth.^[11][12]

Emigration

Jack, aged 24, left from the port of London for Melbourne, Australia aboard the Mongolia on 6 September 1929, just 13 days after his wedding.^[13] The story passed down was that Dorothy (or maybe her father) employed a private detective to find him. The detective reported that Jack had sailed to Australia, allegedly with his leading lady, although no evidence for this has been found. ^[14]

He arrived in Fremantle on 7 October 1929.^[15]

Entries exist for Jack in the Australian Electoral Rolls for 1937, 1943, 1949 and 1954, as follows:

• 1937, Division of Swan, subdivision of Canning: Orme, Lestyn Jack, poultry farmer.
• 1943, Division of Swan, subdivision of Canning: Orme, Lestyn Jack, poultry farmer.
• 1949, Division of Canning, subdivision of Murray: Orme, Iestyn Jack, fish merchant.
• 1954, Division of Fremantle, subdivision of North Fremantle, Iestyn Jack, actor.

During the war, Jack joined the Australian army.^[16]

Second Marriage

Each of the four lists above has "Orme, Madeleine" listed at the same address as Jack. However, the marriage between Madeleine and Jack did not take place until 14 April 1954^[17].

Acting Resumed

By 1939 Jack had returned to the stage and was also producing charity performances with the Perth Australian-Hellenic Association of Music. They performed a musical revue entitled "The Athenian Nights" in a colourful setting representing a cabaret in Athens with the Acropolis as a background, to audiances of serveral hundred people. The West Australian noted, "...the comedy which served to maintain the bright tempo of the show was led by Mr. Jack Orme, who was the producer."^[18][19]

By 1948, he was again using the stage name Jack Deering.^[20]

Death

Jack passed away on 24 July 1962 in Leighton, Western Australia, aged just 57 years.^[21]

Research Notes

A man of many names!

Although generally known by his second name, Jack, two spellings of his first name are used, Yestin and Iestyn. Yestin is used on early records^[1][3], Iestyn from his marriage onwards^[22][23]. His mother refers to him as Yestin in her Anniversary Book.^[24]

His stage name was Jack Deering.^[6]

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1} Birth certificate of Yestin Jack Orme, held by Chris Orme
2. ↑ Lydia Lee Green's Anniversary Book, 12 March.
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1} "England and Wales Census, 1911," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7GR-9Y4 : 2 August 2017), Yestin Jack Orme in household of William Orme, Woodbridge, Suffolk, England; from "1911 England and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO RG 14, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
4. ↑ Derbyshire Times 10 Sep 1921 (handwritten on the newspaper clipping pasted to a piece of card), kindly given by grandson, Bill Orme, October 2017. "The funeral of Mr William Orme took place on Monday at Dronfield Cemetery. Mr Orme came from Woodbridge 6 years ago to take up duties as manager of the Dronfield Gas Company. He was a native of Congleton, Cheshire..."
5. ↑ Death certificate of William Orme, gives cause of death as (1) enteric fever (2) meningitis. Wikipedia defines enteric fever as a collective name for typhoid and paratyphoid (a milder form of typhoid).
6. ↑ ^{6.0 6.1} The Name "Jack Deering" appears on newspaper clips, programmes, photographs and advertisements from stage shows, 1928-29 passed down in family collections and currently held byChris Orme.
7. ↑ See attached image of contract, held by Chris Orme.
8. ↑ The Stage archive, 29 Sep 1927, p. 23.
9. ↑ The Stage archive, 13 Dec 1928, p. 14, "M'Lita Dorlores... engaged by Maurice Cowan to play one of the leading parts in The Yellow Mask, which will open shortly in Liverpool".
10. ↑ The Stage archive, 4 Apr 1929, p. 17
11. ↑ GRO Marriage Certificate. Certified copy held by Chris Orme.
12. ↑ England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, Jul - Sep 1929, Bournemouth, Dorset, vol. 2b, p.1774, accessed on FreeBMD.
13. ↑ Emigration passenger list for the ship "Mongolia" departing from London on 6 Sep 1929 bound for Sydney Australia. Jack Orme is listed as an Actor, contracted to land at Melbourne. His country of intended permanent residence is Australia. List from the National Archives, London, digitised by findmypast.com.
14. ↑ Told to Chris Orme by Lesley Orme.
15. ↑ National Archives of Australia website records ORME, Iestyn on incoming passenger list "Mongolia" arrived Fremantle 7 October 1929.
16. ↑ National Archives of Australia website:

    ORME LESTYN JACK

    Service Number - W67930

    Date of birth - 12 Mar 1905 ; Place of birth - WOODBRIDGE ENGLAND

    Place of enlistment - STH PERTH WA

    Next of Kin - ORME MADELIENE

17. ↑ The marriage to Medeleine Haynes on 14 Apr 1954 in Fremantle WA, is shown on Jack's death certificate and in the Fremantle, Western Australia Marriage Index, entry number 140.
18. ↑ The West Australian (Perth, WA : 1879-1954), Saturday 16 September 1939, page 7. Accessed at National Library of Australia, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article46425015
19. ↑ The West Australian (Perth, WA : 1879-1954), Thursday 12 October 1939, page 10. Accessed at National Library of Australia, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article46430418
20. ↑ The West Australian (Perth, WA : 1879-1954), Thursday 8 July 1948, page 12. Accessed at National Library of Australia, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article46920050
21. ↑ Western Australia BMD indexes, 1962, registration number 306 and the full death certificate, held by Chris Orme. Orme, Istyon Jack, age 57, date of death 24 Jul 1962; Father William, Mother Lilla L
22. ↑ England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, vol 2b, p.1774, Iestyn Orme
23. ↑ Australia records have Iestyn (and sometimes Lestyn - Probably a transcription error) Death certificate has Istyon!
24. ↑ Lydia Lee Green's Anniversary Book.

Also:

• Maternal and paternal relationships are confirmed by a Family Tree DNA Family Finder test match between Chris Orme and first cousin once removed, Orme-107. Their most-recent common ancestors are William Orme (1874-1921) and Lydia Lee (Green) Orme (1874-1952), great grandparents of Chris Orme and grandparents of Orme-107. Predicted relationship from FTDNA: 1st - 2nd Cousin.
• http://www.wamarriage.info Perth DPS project: Shows marriage of Iestyn Jack Orme and Madeleine NICOLSON, in Fremantle in 1954. Record number 140. See Madeleine's profile for more a discussion about her surname.