Does anyone else dream of a simpler Wikitree?

+47 votes
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This is likely my problem, but I guess there are many others like me. I LOVE the concept of Wikitree. I LOVE the work that so many Wikiteers have put in out of the goodness of their hearts. I LOVE the wonderful information that everyone has contributed. I LOVE that people have stepped up to create apps and other tools to make Wikitree even better.

But shame on me for not finding Wikitree easy to navigate. I have stepped away a few times out of frustration. I finally figured out I could use the Sourcer app to take the stress out of sourcing. But editing my old biographies and sources still requires a lot of work. I finally got up the courage to register for the Source-a-Thon (SaT). But I'm already confused about navigating between the general SaT free space page, the SaT G2G registration and info post, the SaT G2G chat, the Team free space page, their G2G chat, the general Discord discussion, the team discussion, the upcoming YouTube Source-a-Thon live events, etc., etc.

I just replied to a question on our SaT team G2G chat page about how to upload a bib number sticker. The post had been made 2 days ago and I am the one that just replied. I don't even know what the heck I am doing, but someone else was lost in the dark as well.

I know this is likely sounding like a rant, but it is really a cry for help, or a dream, if you will. For those of us who aren't as adept (or simply familiar with) browser extensions, free space pages, editing mark-up code, writing good citations, navigating a complex website like Wikitree, etc.....can we still contribute? Is there ever a hope of having a simpler site to navigate and participate in?

Again, I LOVE Wikitree, but I (and no doubt so many others) would love to contribute more.

Thank you to all of the many absoutely wonderful Wikiteers that contribute so much!!
in The Tree House by Nancy Harris G2G6 Mach 1 (12.6k points)

WikiTree can definitely be a chllange when you first join. It can take a bit to get to used to the site layout, all of the options, 'code', etc. But if you hang with it, it becomes second nature.

Once suggestion I can offer is to try out the WikiTree Academy. If you sign up for a new account (it does not use your WikiTree credntials) you can learn more about WikiTree on your own pace.

Here are some courses that might be beneficial.

I am a programmer by trade, and I am still daily somewhat baffled by some choices made by whoever layed out the website. (Why cant I untuitively navigate back to wikitree from G2G? I know this is somewhat common on blogs, too, but I find it annoying).

I am also still finding new features even after several months here.

Iv'e been thinking about this, and wikitree is somewhat similar to wikipedia sadly: The website is likely to get more and more "elitist" the more popular it gets. Less and less "common poeple" will have the time, energy and knowledge to contribute is my guess at least. And this is both bad and good. At a startup phase it is absolutely detrimental. But an overly popular global tree could have problems as well.
Thank your the suggestions Steven.
John, the inability to navigate back to wikitree from G2G always annoys me too!
WikiTree is, at its core, a wiki (running a highly customized version of MediaWiki). There is no method within a wiki to have a Q/A style forum like this, so there is another platform Q2A that serves as a the basis for G2G, that again is also highly customized to integrate within the main Wikitree site.

You can see this in the URL's, where the main wiki is at /wiki/ and this forum is at /g2g/.
Also, do you use the menu bar at the top? For example, you can go to "My WikiTree" menu and select Nav Home Page, Profile, Watchlist, Activity Feed, etc.
John, that's an interesting take...your concern that it may get less and less 'accessible' to the average person.

There are links on every G2G page to get back to the main WikiTree pages:

WikiTree  ~  About  ~  Help Help  ~  Search Person Search

Unfortunately these are at the bottom of the G2G page, so not very convenient to find or use.

I absolutely wish Wikitree was an easier tree to add my DNA matches. It is so important to me to add this factor of DNA, yet the process of showing how much DNA, and how many Centimorgans we share with our relatives is very very time consuming and complicated.
Additionally as far as linking back to the main site, the WikiTree logo at the top takes you back to the WikiTree home page if you click on it. If you also use the WikiTree Browser Extension and turn on the "Sticky Header" feature, then it will always be at the top of the screen (along with the rest of the menus and tabs) to jump back quickly.
Jonathan Duke,

Thank you for teaching me something great!!

17 Answers

+23 votes
Nancy, I really think you have a point. For me, there is no way I can do anything except enter an ancestor’s profile with as many sources I have.

That’s all I’m able to understand about this site. I don’t know why everything has to be so complicated and convoluted (my opinion).

The instructions are available for everything. For me building a house with written instructions would not get me anywhere. I am just not able to do that.

So, I do what I can to contribute to the tree. The rest of it I let those of you who are smarter take care of the rest.
by Susan Ellen Smith G2G6 Mach 7 (77.8k points)

In addition to the above -- many of us who appear to know stuff you don't, or seem to have no trouble doings things that baffle you?  We all had our stumble times when we were still learning the "how to".  Like any instruction sheet, sometimes the pages or posts on explaining how to do something tend to use words and explanations that are only understandable by those who already know the "how to".  

Don't despair.  Just keep plugging away doing what you know how to do.  As you go, other things will find their way into what you know.  heart

I agree - keep doing what you know how to do. Ask questions when you need help or want something ʻfancyʻ on a profile.

Make notes as David suggested.

And my personal request is that profiles be as open (in the privacy tab) as comfortable for you. That helps others add to the profiles and make the fixes you might request.

Susan, your comment about instructions for building a house are spot on. My analogy was an old mainframe system that had bandaids upon bandaids and you needed instructions for each bandaid. But your analogy rings true.
Nancy, I support your identification of the issue and the bandaid analogy. I think the main problem is that user interfaces to WikiTree have grown disparately over time in many different ways, without unity or coherence. This is true even with operations in the core website, and has increased with more and more functions devolved to complicated apps and extensions developed in different styles. Since there will never be enough resources for a total rewrite of the software from the ground up with a unified design, this problem is intractable, and may gradually become worse.

Thanks Jim. And here I had hoped that I had gotten away from situations like legacy mainframe systems once I retired. laugh

+24 votes

I had to smile!  You reminded me of the nightmares I had trying to learn how to post pictures on the forum!  I think I have PTSD from it!cheeky 

That being said, I have learned to take baby steps, learn only what I need to know to survive!  When I do learn new tricks, I put them on my Profile Page or create a Free Space page to store tips and tricks to try to learn them when I need them. (Take a look)  If I don't do that, I will forget by the next day!  

I created  a profile making "cheat sheet" free space page and I have to use it almost every time I make a profile!  Charts, templets, proper sourcing, placing pictures drove me nuts! Again, if I didn't write it down, in my own words, I would not remember how to do anything!

I probably know 20% of what this site offers, and that is working for me!wink  

by David Draper G2G Astronaut (3.8m points)

"I probably know 20% of what this site offers, and that is working for me!"   

Ditto on that. I use minimal basics and that works just fine for me. 

Do you maybe want to share a link to that free space page of yours, David?
Florian, and others: my Free Space page on how to make profiles is viewable by every one. You can't see the some of the codes because you can't go into edit mode.  But I have tried to put some of the code in the text with spaces in the code so it can be viewed.  I keep learning, and I keep updating and refining the page.  Some have asked me to unlock the free space page so they could copy it and I did for a short time.  I am a little paranoid about leaving it unlocked.   Go to my profile page, check the menu, click on Free Space pages and look for the "Cheat Sheets"!

If you want people to see the code used for things on your page, you simply need to "wrap" it in nowiki tags. 
Example:
<nowiki>{{Died Young|image=ADWP2-238.png}}</nowiki>

That way people wanting that portion of code only need to highlight it, then copy, and paste where they need it.

@Melanie:  That is kewl!  Who knew? So many little tricks to learn!laugh

David, I just checked out your cheat sheet - a lot of good information in one place.

However, there are tons of little bits of information missing. For example, you mention that: "You can place a picture in 3 different sizes." While that is technically correct according to the presets, the size parameter can also be used to set the max width of an image. For example |size=200 will make the image 200px in width and the height will adjust accordingly.

This is some of the information we are starting to document in the Academy, so I would be happy to help you out with your page if you have any questions.
+21 votes
I totally agree this program is mostly not intuitive to use.  I had the same problem as can be seen on the first several posts on my profile.

And, if you scan the G2G forum daily, you will see a huge percentage of the questions are because someone is not understanding how to do something.  

Unfortunately, most of the answers are references to the instructions, so many sets of instructions- only the writers could digest all of them.

How many people do we lose who come onto the site and then give up?

Count me as another who believes this concept is what is needed for Genealogy.  I only wish the program were simpler.

Thank you to those who are willing to share their time to make this program work, with the goal of making it work for more people.

Even more thanks to all of us who keep plugging away at documenting history in the best way possible!
by Rick Morley G2G6 Pilot (167k points)
Hi Rick and Wiki-Leadership,

Your question "How many people do we lose..."? is really quite important. I imagine that the WikiTree team has some technical means to determine that number (or percentage). Whether or not they feel they can share such information on a public forum is another question.

Perhaps we can at least get someone to acknowledge that it is an important metric, and that it is being monitored...
I seems like a lot of people drop in once or twice and leave.

Some upload Gedcoms and leave, some add 20 profiles and leave.

It would be interesting to see the number, but how would we determine why they ran away?
One version to see how many people decide to stay on the site is the number of Honor Code signatures. The homepage says that 1,042,724 genealogists work on the Tree. The Honor Code Badge have currently 235,393 users. That means that only 22.5% of the people who register as Guest or Family member upgrade to a "full membership". I think it should be a goal to increase the percentage of people who sign the Honor Code. I don't have a recipe how to do that from the top of my head now though.
A look at my "100 club" badge announcement (missed 1000 by about fifty "contributions" last month) suggests that only about 3000 members make 100 or more contributions/month. What happened to the 232.000 others who signed the honor code? They obviously cared enough to become a "WikiTree genealogist". Before we focus on getting more people to sign the honor code and start the journey, it might be a good idea to take a hard look at the ones who already did - but aren't contributing actively today. (note: the relevant level of "contributions" might be less than 100 - that's just the number needed for the easily countable "badge holder" metric).

 It might be worthwhile to analyse

a) how many new members sign the honor code each month

b) how many profiles or "contributions" the average honor code signatory makes in their first 3, 6, or 12 months, and

c) how long it generally takes before they stop making 100 or more "contributions"?

We can (and should) focus on increasing (a), but unless we figure out how to increase (b) and (c) as well, the pool of really active members will probably remain fairly stable.
+16 votes

Hi Nancy! Your question resonates with my (brief) experience on WikiTree, as do the answers and encouragement already offered by WikiTree pilots. My summary of the consensus response would be: "we know its complicated, we've all had to learn (or are still learning) the hard way, we're all happy to help, don't give up!" The WikiTree vision and especially the WikiTree community are strong arguments to "persevere". But that shouldn't stop us from carefully examining (and trying to improve) the issues to which your question refers. Perhaps it would help if we try to clearly identify those issues - maybe some of the experts could suggest and proposed concrete steps which could be taken to move toward your dream...

For example: your immediate concern seems to be "ease of navigation" - simply discovering all of the resources, communication platforms, guidelines and apps was a big challenge for me as a "newt". Even the "Search" function on the Find Menu took me a while, and I still have trouble finding things again when I need them. (BTW:I like the idea of creating a "cheat sheet" on a open space profile or on my own - hadn't thought of that!)

Perhaps our wonderful team of greeters and other "newbies" could collect a list of specific items that make life easier for WikiTreers - but aren't easy for newcomers to find - and provide some sort of "Navigation Guide" at the beginning of the journey. (Yes, I have watched many of the excellent introductory Videos and read lots of HELP pages!) What items might have been most helpful to you, as you struggled with navigating through WikiTree?

by GM Garrettson G2G6 Mach 3 (34.7k points)
I love your comment GM.

I think one of the main issues I have is that one problem leads to other problems. If I use one new tool designed to make things simpler, it raises a whole other set of things I have to learn and seek out answers for. The answers are scattered across 'helpful' technical instructions, G2G posts, instructional videos...and all are spread out over the map. Half of them I don't understand, and I think I'm a fairly bright person. It can all be figured out over a period of time but it's exactly that...and investment of considerable time with a huge learning curve.

One analogy I thought of are those old legacy mainframe systems of yore, where new features are patched on over the years; work-arounds are added; extensive navigational tutorials are created to deal with the spiderweb of numerous systems and spreadsheets. Over time only a few oldtimers can possibly work with them and then they move on.

Obviously Wikitree is not a for-profit organization and it is driven by many fabulous volunteers. But the funds aren't there to create a more user-friendly holistic solution.
+10 votes

Nancy,

You are doing great!

There are steps toward improved profiles on the Profile Improvement Project page that might help https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Profile_Improvement

One thing that might help you is the Automatic GEDCOM Cleanup extension. There is a link from the Profile Improvement Project Resources https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Profile_Improvement_Project_Resources

by Kay Knight G2G6 Pilot (605k points)
Thanks Kay. You are an example of the many helpful people on here.

Coincidentally I tried the AGC (see, I even know the acronym now) for the first time the other day. I tested it out on one of my profiles. It certainly improved some sources but now I have a lot of extra warnings and notes to deal with and more edits to make to the biography. Again, it is all a learning process. There is just so much learning to do. Nothing is simple.
+12 votes

Yes, you can still contribute!! Participating at your own comfort level is a wonderful way to contribute to the one-tree mission, and also to learn more about the tech whenever and however you feel like it. There might not be an answer to your second question re: hopes for a simpler wiki, but the collaboration model is a great research aid in any measure. My 3 general rules for using any tech are 1) save often, 2) use online Help, and 3) don't be afraid to click on it - you won't break it! laugh

by Robert Teague G2G6 Mach 1 (10.8k points)
+8 votes
Can certainly empathize with your words, Nancy (and others). There is a learning curve, and when I look back at the profiles I built when I first joined WikiTree, I cringe ... but glad I know so much more now.

One suggestion, that really helped me was to join a project - most locations or areas of interest have an associated project, most with an entry Path that mentors you through researching and building a profile. Plus the comradery and help you get within a small group is wonderful. And Discord is one of the best places to chat with others and get help and learn new tips and tricks.

I guess perseverance and being willing to ask for help is the name of the game. :) And whether you feel like an expert or not ... every contribution you make helps build our global tree!
by Shirley Gilbert G2G6 Mach 6 (66.8k points)
+11 votes
As mentioned by a few people, once you use the site for a while it becomes second nature, but -- that sometimes makes it hard to design for newcomers.

If someone has a specific idea for something they think would make things easier or examples of things they find confusing, please let me know!
by Jamie Nelson G2G6 Pilot (635k points)
Hi Jamie! OK, I'll bite...

I think it would have made my first weeks easier if there had been something like a "freshman orientation" page that provided an outline or checklist I could easily find and refer back to as I tried my first profiles. What I have in mind is a sort of "step-by-step" set of instructions that would help newts like myself avoid the pitfalls - for example, by having step ONE be "identify the source of your information, know how to cite it, and be ready to enter it before you try to create any new profile".
Oh, maybe a banner or button could show at the top for the first (2 weeks?) after a person has joined, with a link to the "freshman orientation" page?

Step-by-step instructions for editing a profile, creating a profile, sourcing, posting in G2G (to ask for help), and maybe commenting on profiles/messaging other users would be important I think. Probably also what to do if you find your ancestor/relative already in the tree.

Any other ideas about what basics should be included?
One of the things I found really difficult when I first started was the long drop-down menus.  I know you can customize these now, but when you're first starting its hard to know what's essential.  I wonder if it would be helpful to have a preset option for "beginner" menus?
You can customize the drop down menus? Now I have something new to learn!

Personally, I think the help pages could use a lot of improvement. But some things will inherently have some learning curve, like entering sources in a profile, or putting pictures in a G2G post. Those of us who've been around Wiki's in the past, and various online forums, will have seen most of that already, but genealogy cuts across all demographics, with all levels of tech-savviness.
We haven't made an announcement anywhere yet other than mentioning it to a few people, but one of our projects this year (although we are a bit behind) is to have the front end redesigned, and part of that will be a redesign of the header and menus.

Also, it's not a core site feature, but if you have the WikiTree Browser Extension one of the features is to have a customizable menu: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:WikiTree_Browser_Extension#My_Menu
This sounds great thanks Jamie!

The approach of several optional beta releases was very successful in smoothing the introduction of the new profile creation code. I hope it can be considered for the front end update too.
+8 votes

You're not alone! There are a few ways to learn, in addition to trying to figure it out yourself, or with G2G.

I first want to highlight what Steve said, about WikiTree Academy. It's barely off the ground, but we're designing modules now, to cover any and all WikiTree basics and advanced topics. In fact: We would LOVE your input. Here is a questionnaire to help us understand your needs and interests!  

Besides WikiTree Academy, several of the projects offer Trail experiences, with personal guides who can help you with a lot of great tips. If they're appropriate for you, try the England Orphan Trail, the Tartan Trail, or the Trans-Canada Trail. The Profile Improvement Project also is a great way to get started with some personalized help.

These different efforts are some of the ways we're trying to make WikiTree accessible for all of us (as volunteers, we've all been there). I may have missed a few efforts... WikiTree is big (and occasionally chaotic, as you well know)

by Brad Foley G2G6 Mach 8 (81.5k points)
Great suggestions Brad! I'll check out that survey as well. Thank you.

Hi Brad! I had started the WikiTree Welcomes New Members course a while ago. I just went back and completed it now (after almost three months). It is DEFINITELY a great resource, and should be prominently included on a "freshman orientation" page, if that idea gets off the ground.

I also filled out your questionnaire, but perhaps two comments are appropriate here:

a) The presentation of "perfect" profiles (like Abraham Lincoln and Niel Armstrong) is / was a bit daunting. It certainly shows what is possible, but left me very unsure about how much of that was necessary.  

b) the section "Create a Few Profiles" illustrates what I think was the most frustrating part of getting started: the instructions say "Get started by creating a few profiles for your relatives."  Then they continue step by step through the add menu and checking for duplicates until suddenly the "Add a source citation" form appears - at which point one is told that the profile can't actually be created without a (properly formatted and complete) source citation. 

In my opinion, the source requirement is so important (and scary) for newbies that it should be discussed FIRST in this section. Instead of beginning with finding the "add" menu, maybe explain what WikiTree means by a "source", and tell the new user that, BEFORE they add any new profile, they will need to think about which source(s) they will use and how to create a sufficient citation. 

I suggest something more than simply offering a link to the Help:Sources page and the style guides - although that resource should definitely also be mentioned. A basic example of something that would be "OK" for quickly adding profiles for immediate family (like "Personal Recollection" or "Birth Certificate") would be helpful. Perhaps also some mention of how the minimum standards for sources get more demanding for older profiles.

I just remember feeling sort of "blindsided" when first confronted with that empty space for mandatory "source" information. Maybe others had a similar experience?

Great comment GM! I just completed the survey as well. I haven't completed the New Member's Course yet .(I've been dabbling here for several years, but I should definitely go back to school! wink)  I think new members should be aided up front with how to do easy, basic sourcing (where they don't have to write up a citation on their own). And the new members kit should have links to coordinated resources all summarized in one place since navigation of WT is difficult at first. I suggested in the survey that perhaps their is a questionnaire for new members that they can complete to determine suggested first steps for them. For example, if someone is very comfortable with citations, they should start by accessing these more sophisticated tools and reference guides. If they are coming from Ancestry and aren't familiar with creating citations they should do A, b and c. If they are familiar with Family Search, here is a good starting point. 

Great feedback. Thanks so much! Yeah what you said about needing to give immediate, simple instructions on bare-bones citations is obvious when you think about it. But easy to forget when you've been in it for a while.
I love Nancy's idea to give new members a chance to answer some basic questions about their interests, background and comfort level with stuff like mark-up language and source citations. Maybe even during the initial "greeting" phase. I was really impressed by the fact that "my greeter" immediately asked if I had questions about the honor code. Perhaps it wouldn't be too much of an extra burden to send a sort of "help me get you started with what YOU want to do first at WikiTree" questionnaire, then point them to the appropriate "A, b and c" and freshman orientation resources.
+8 votes

a number of folks came together and created  this free space page a couple of years ago.  It probably needs some updating in adding the browser extentions that now exist but it is a start

Biography Creation Helper (wikitree.com)

by Laura Bozzay G2G6 Pilot (838k points)

Laura, I have benefitted greatly from that page - THANKS to you and the "number of folks" who created it! One of the pages it links to, Sourcing Primer - Instructional (wikitree.com) is also very helpful - although at least one of the sceenshots seems to include the <span> tags, about which I have seen various opinions. I really like the explanation and examples ranging from "almost worthless" to "targeted great sourcing", KUDOS all around!

I think that, even for a "newbie", it is great to know about the "targeted" or "near-perfect" goals, whether in-line referenced citations or an Abraham Lincoln-like profile - as long as it is made clear that no one really expects that from the very first profile, and that tools and easier, but acceptable, alternatives also exist. 

The biggest problem I see with sourcing - and probably the root cause for many of those "sources" like "found it on Ancestry.com" - is that blank space in the profile creation form which suddenly says "you can't continue unless you write something NOW", then takes whatever random text is entered and automatically puts it under == SOURCES == in the newly created profile. To me, as a newt, that seemed really wierd. First WikiTree insisted on "a source", then it automatically accepted whatever I wrote (as long as it was "long enough") and put it in a very "officiall-looking" place on an otherwise blank profile. It seemed that all the guidelines and standards were paper tigers, after all.

The worst part was (is) that I still find it very annoying to be forced to put something in that empty box. I often have multiple sources for new profiles, which I have carefully researched and collected in open space pages before starting the "add profile" process. I don't want ANY of them to show up under == SOURCES ==, because I want to use in-line references at the appropriate place in the bio.

To "make it easier for new members", I think it might make sense to review the process we actually expect someone to take when they add their first profiles. The process may need to be different for newbies with different interests and backgrounds, but perhaps an example would help. The process I have in mind might look something like this:

Edited 2023-09-23 15:00 to include Laura's comment (h) and a great tip from Jim Richardson about adjusting the settings (f) so entire biography can be entered in the mandatory text box. 

a) Create a "sandbox" Before you actually add your first profile, you might want to create an open space page of your own - this will let you collect examples and notes, and experiment with various ideas you find on WikiTree - in your own personal "safe" space. It isn't necessary  (you can jump right in - you can't really break anything!) - but many new members have found "sandbox" pages to be helpful - especially when first starting out.

b) Look at some "examples" of profiles in the Bio Creation Helper - pick one that looks good to you and either copy it to your "sandbox" or open it in a separate tab so you have it available. You might also want to look at style guidelines and try out some of the mysterious "mark-up" tags. Your "sandbox" is a great place to try things out - if you have any questions, the G2G community is happy to help!

c) Think about the "sources" you have for information about the person whose profile you want to add. You will need to state your "source" in order to create any new profile. Look at some "example" citations and templates. Again, you can copy these to your "sandbox", fill in the blanks to fit your information source, and see how they will look on the profile. If you build the citation the way you want it here in the "sandbox", you can easily copy it to "real" profiles later.  

d) Now you're ready to add a new profile to our single common "tree". If the person you want to add is related to an existing profile, there is a useful shortcut: You might want to start with your own profile, and add a new one for a parent or sibling. Simply open your profile, click on "add father", "add mother" or "add sibling", and proceed to enter the available information. If you think the new profile is unrelated to any existing profile, you can add it using the "add" menu.

e) Be careful with the "Last Name at Birth" (LNAB), because that field is a bit difficult to change later. Be aware that, especially for "older" and "foreign" profiles (pre-1700, pre-1500), there may be special rules established by the relevant "project" leaders to help us avoid creating duplicate profiles on our common tree. The goal at WikiTree is to have exactly ONE profile for any given individual, so the next step will help you check for duplicates before you add your new profile. 

f)  Enter the source of your information in the text box (mandatory). If you have already prepared that in your "sandbox" you can use "copy and paste". Otherwise, enter at least one of your sources here, the way you would like it to be cited. You may want to note that, if you decide to prepare things in your "sandbox", it is possible to adjust the settings so that you can cut-and-paste an entire biography (with source citations) at this point.

g) Build the Biography. The new profile will have a blank Biography. You can build your own structure "from scratch" or copy and paste an example biography you like (or one from your "sandbox") to speed up the process.

h) Check the source citations. The source(s) you entered when you created the profile will appear under == SOURCES ==. Check that they appear the way you want (check style guidelines, compare with other examples, or ask in G2G if you're not sure). The easiest way to add inline citation is to click the C at top of bio box - that creates the inline code.  You can type in the source info or paste in a citation you have previously copied - from below the == SOURCES == heading or from sites like Family Search.

i) Celebrate! You did it! Remember that all of us at WikiTree, from the most experienced "Astronaut" to the newest "Newt", are volunteers working together on a single family tree. No matter how far from "perfect" your new profile may seem to you, we all appreciate the time and effort you have invested to add it to our common tree. So thank you! 

j) Collaborate. As time goes by, other WikiTree users may make suggestions and/or work on profiles you have created - just as you will be encouraged to help improve profiles created by others (that is especially fun when done together in WikiTree "-thons"). Feel free to re-visit your profiles at any time to add new information, new sources, or new features like pictures, tables, etc (the possibilities seem endless!). If you have questions, remember that the G2G community is always happy to help!

I find the easiest way to add inline citation is to click the C at top of bio box it creates the inline code.  you can type in the source info or paste in a precreated citation found on sites like Family Search,
+8 votes

My favorite saying around here is "You don't know what you don't know." I didn't even know what questions to ask. I was literally having meltdowns every day & sometimes multiple times a day. 

My problem is I have had 5 massive TBIs & what works for "normal" brains doesn't work for me. I learn & retain best by actually doing the work; sourcing, connecting, whatever as long as I was manipulating the data I was learning. 

I had been here less than a week & I was doing Saturday Sourcing Sprints & the Source-A-Thon. Was my data accurate? NO, I come across profiles that I sourced then & I'm embarrassed that I actually did that! 

I had to do that because I wasn't getting answers. I would hear "Go to the "help" page. That'll tell you everything you want to know", NOT! Or another 1, "Go to YouTube & check out whatever." When I put furniture together, I NEVER read the directions; I can't, I don't understand information that way because I can't  see the concept. 

I see patterns, that's how I learn. But my video channel is in unconscious, so while I get the videos while I'm there & can see the pattern, when I shut the video down, my video channel goes back into unconscious & I can literally see the understanding fading away, breaking apart & spilling down or dots disconnecting & there goes the understanding. Screen shots along with the written word will help me, but then we'd load up the database with images & that takes up too much space.

So what has worked for me up to this point, other than just jumping In & d**n the torpedoes, is to keep an eye out on g2g where people are always saying "Hey, I have this work-around" & I go through  their steps & learn the work-around. If I have any questions or problems, I just ask. I even do the posts that are 3 or 4 years old, because the data is still current.

Other little things you can do is answer the "How close are you to" features. They're fun & you won't get counted wrong or laughed at if your post looks a little off kilter when you put your answers up. Is that vital to the Tree? no, but you are learning. That will teach you how to use the relationship finder. & it's  FUN!

Other things you can do to learn the Tree is to STOP using the search feature here on the Tree to find anything. If you need to search, go to Google. I have searched for WikiTree so much that I don't even to put WikiTree in anymore & normally, WikiTree is the 1st choice. 

Another thing, learn how to use the FreeSpace pages. You can do anything there, it's a sandbox; somewhere where you can practice things & you won't mess anything up. Go to Watchlist (this is important in it's own right) from your dropdowns on WikiTree (this is g2g), click that & when you get there the FreeSpace page tab is right next to the Watchlist tab. 

How to navigate from here to there: if you look straight up from this post right here, you will see WikiTree, that's a link TO WikiTree. 

I hope something here helps, but don't be discouraged, just keep learning & asking questions. Answering someone else's  "What am I doing here?" helps you more than you realize; it's building your self confidence.

by Living Brunson G2G6 Pilot (103k points)
Absolutely agree.

Thank you
Pat would it help if you had a Wiki buddy?  Someone you can email or call?  If so send me a private message and i am happy to give you my direct contact info.  I don't pretend to know everything or always have the right answer but I know who to contact.  Wikitree is learnable.  You may just learn better by doing than watching or hearing.  Do the things you are comfortable with.  I think you will find WikiTreers are very helpful people.  Perfection is not  a goal it is an unrealistic standard for any human.  You might find it easier to write the biography and insert the citations that support what you wrote.  That will create your sources.

I'm open to that possibility. Maybe if I tell you where I see problems on the Tree & possible solutions, we can decide if we are a better fit. I am all about open communication, but the Tree is lacking in 1 input area; KAVs or KVAs; those that are kinetic in their learning/understanding/comprehension for data input. In my case, it's due to 5 TBIs, but in my daughter's case, it's due to Autism. I'm sure there are MANY more out there, hidden disability or not, that just understand better in different ways. In my case, it's seeing a screenshot of what someone is saying (I skip straight to the screenshot; that's how I put furniture together, by looking at the pictures to understand what I'm supposed to do). Once I have enough understanding through alternative learning/comprehension methods, I might want to create a free-space page helping others that need this kind of input.

What I do is cut and paste from a Word doc as I create the profile.  That makes it easier for me to edit.  You should do what makes sense to you.
Thanks, I'll remember that. I am on the PIP Voyage with Denise Hunt - Hylton-692.
+6 votes

Hi Nancy et al.

I found this question and discussion VERY interesting and was inspired to make a proposal. I would love your feedback!  Please see Proposed Improvement: Automatically create open space "LaunchPad" for new members - WikiTree G2G

by GM Garrettson G2G6 Mach 3 (34.7k points)
edited by GM Garrettson
+9 votes
True, True, True!!! Every person I have had join has already quit, because it's too much like work. WikiTree is very hard to learn to navigate and takes much reading and watching tutorials. I'm no computer expert but not a beginner either. Also, you get multiple answers to questions and it makes it even more confusing. It is why so many people quit the website unfortunately.
by Teresa Willis G2G6 Mach 5 (50.0k points)

Hi Teresa! I'm afraid that I may soon join them.sad

+3 votes
I feel your pain, Nancy. Wiki is not as simplified as some of the other sites available. I remember the confusion and frustration that I felt. Taking a step back, and a deep breath can be helpful, but don't give up on our tree.

One disadvantage of user-friendly sites can be the ease and speed of growing a tree. I find the extra time and effort for WikiTree gives me an extra opportunity to check the accuracy of my entry.

I have used a few other online sites, and found it to be the most supportive. and friendliest site around. If you have a question or concern just ask. There are no bad questions except for the ones not asked. There is someone else wondering about the same thing.
by Marty Franke G2G6 Pilot (794k points)
+5 votes
Like any skill, learning WikiTree requires practice. I find WikiTree far simpler now than I did when I first joined almost 5 years ago, but that's partly because I have been on here almost every day during that 5 years. I've learned by doing--a LOT of doing. I've also learned by observing and asking questions and reading help pages and watching videos.

During the time I've been a member, there have also been many changes made to WikiTree which have made WikiTree simpler. Among those were the creation of browser extensions like WikiTree BEE, WikiTree Sourcerer, and, most recently, WikiTree Browser Extension which is being updated frequently with new functionalities to make using WikiTree even simpler.

In my opinion, during the last 5 years WikiTree has become simpler in reality--it has not been just a dream.
by Nelda Spires G2G6 Pilot (570k points)
+5 votes
What can I say, it's a wiki. While the purpose of a wiki is a collaborative space, it has as many cons as pros. Years ago I worked on what we called Powerpedia, which was an internal wiki at the US Department of Energy. Wikis haven't gotten much easier since then. A person still has to struggle with a little bit of coding and a bunch of <ref>,<br>, [[ ]] and all types of symbols, especially when something is wrong and you have to figure out what it is. A missing ref tag alone is a PITA. I think we are stuck though until a better model comes along that has more GUI in it.

The best thing I have found is to say stick to the basics until you get those mastered, then move forward. Yes, even with something like Sourcer or BEE, you still have to edit. But all the other challenges and fancy edits can wait, those are for people who are more advanced and looking for more challenges.

Just respond to the G2G post when you want to participate in something and do a share, even if it amounts to only a couple of profiles. We're all in it for the long haul and if you don't or can't fix something, ask for help or put a "needs" maintenance category on it and let someone else help.

We all appreciate ALL contributions to our big family tree and anyone who is actively trying. We know most of the million users aren't doing a lot (probably because like you many got frustrated).

Baby steps. Ask questions and ask for help. Concentrate on your family first. IMHO.
by Laura Ward G2G6 Mach 4 (46.5k points)
edited by Laura Ward
+2 votes

A great place to meet lots of fun Wikitrers is the Weeken Chat.  You can find a link to it on G2g every Friday morning.  

You can see a prior one here "Welcome to the Weekend Chat!" All Members Invited!! September 22nd - 24th, 2023 - WikiTree G2G

by Laura Bozzay G2G6 Pilot (838k points)

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