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Peter (Smokey Cherokee KING Carroll) Carroll (1742 - abt. 1804)

Peter Carroll formerly Smokey Cherokee KING Carroll aka King
Born [location unknown]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 28 Dec 1762 in St. Michael's Evangelical Lutheran Church, Germantown, Pennsylvaniamap
Descendants descendants
Father of
Died about at about age 62 in North Carolina, United Statesmap [uncertain]
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Profile last modified | Created 15 Oct 2019
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Research suggests that this person may never have existed. See the text for details.
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Disputed Existence

There is no documentation that names "Peter Carroll" or "Peter King" as a Cherokee man, or as spouse of someone of equal questionable existence, Mother Who Has Empty Heart; nor is there any proof that they were the parents of Nancy King, a real person who married John Carroll.

No Cherokee rolls or records name him or his wife.

A previous version of this profile claimed, citing only unsourced online trees, that he was born about 1742 and died in 1804.

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Marriage: Germantown, Pennsylvania, on December 28, 1762, St. Michael's Evangelical Lutheran Church, Germantown, Pennsylvania




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Rollet-41 Karen (Rollet) Lorenz
Smokey Cherokee KING-1 and Smokey Cherokee KING Carroll-1 appear to represent the same person because: These two are duplicated profiles. Please merge. Last name needs to be determined.
posted by Karen (Rollet) Lorenz
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Nancy S., you've now got his vitals in the right century, but he's still attached to a spouse born in the 1700s. Given that the attached Dawes card includes a note that he died in 1900 at the age of 18, that would place his birth year about 1882 (not 1890). And quite possibly that would mean he died single with no children?
posted on Smokey Cherokee KING-1 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
Lowe-6149 Nancy (Lowe) Sitzlar
Yes, I saw that but I found some other documents I think that had his name, I may be mistaken about that however but will look for them. Thank you.
posted on Smokey Cherokee KING-1 (merged) by Nancy (Lowe) Sitzlar
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Nancy, it appears that the attached image is related to this profile and the connected family members, but the dates are all off. You've got born 1742 but the attached census indicates he was 18 in the 1890s. Please correct the data fields of these family members to align with the census data. The notation on the census image also suggests he died about 1910.
posted on Smokey Cherokee KING-1 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
Lowe-6149 Nancy (Lowe) Sitzlar
Thank you, I sure will do that and sorry I did not catch it. Also, can I add the Cherokee sticker for them now? I sent you a message about the dates and some other things.
posted on Smokey Cherokee KING-1 (merged) by Nancy (Lowe) Sitzlar
edited by Nancy (Lowe) Sitzlar
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
According to that census, they were not Cherokee. Look at the tribe column.
posted on Smokey Cherokee KING-1 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Actually, I see that someone has written in "town". Kathie, can we tell from the town name what tribe they were likely to be?
posted on Smokey Cherokee KING-1 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
Parks-2399 Kathie (Parks) Forbes
That Dawes card which names Micco Harjo, Louise King, Peter King and the rest of their family iis for a Creek family who lived in aplace called Wildcat, Creek Nation, Indian Territory. They have no connection of any kind to anyone in Tennessee. Please detach Micco and Louise from this profile and I will make accurate profiles for them. Not sure what to do with the supposed Cherokee “Peter Carroll,” there is zero evidence that the person in this profile ever existed, i can convert him to the Creek man in Oklahoma if that makes any sense. The Creek Peter Harjo/King was killed about 1900 when he was 18 years old. (All this information is on the attached Dawes card)
posted on Smokey Cherokee KING-1 (merged) by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
edited by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Four years later... we need to decide what to do with him? I've detached him and his wife as parents of Nancy King Carroll.

Do we make him the Creek man who lived in the late 1800s/early 1900s as documented by the Dawes card? Or do we keep him as is and mark him as uncertain existence?

posted by Jillaine Smith
Parks-2399 Kathie (Parks) Forbes
I think we have to keep him and mark as uncertain existence. Since he's part of that family story he would probably just get recreated.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Parks-2399 Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Please detach these people from the Creek family in Indian Territory. They lived in the late 19th/early 20th century and cannot possibly be connected to people who lived in North Carolina in the 1700’s. There are no records to support any Cherokee connection for these folks, either.
posted on Smokey Cherokee KING-1 (merged) by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Lowe-6149 Nancy (Lowe) Sitzlar
still looking for information to prove or disprove document and find information to go with the names in the profiles.
posted on Smokey Cherokee KING-1 (merged) by Nancy (Lowe) Sitzlar
Lowe-6149 Nancy (Lowe) Sitzlar
working on profile
posted by Nancy (Lowe) Sitzlar

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