no image
Privacy Level: Open (White)

Kunigunda Schindler (1840)

Kunigunda (Kunigunde) "Nina" Schindler
Born in Hinterzarten, Neustadt, Baden, Deutscher Bundmap
Ancestors ancestors Descendants descendants
Died [date unknown] in Switzerlandmap
Problems/Questions Profile manager: Florian Straub private message [send private message]
Profile last modified | Created 27 Feb 2022
This page has been accessed 2,365 times.

Contents

Biography

Kunigunda Schindler was born on 14 August 1840 in Hinterzarten to the sawyer (Säger) Andreas Schindler and his wife Adelheid Schelb. Her godparents were Johann Schelb and Maria Schindler, both single and probably siblings to her parents.[1] The family lived in Hinterzarten until 1849, when Andreas became innkeeper of the 'Adler' in the neighboring village of Bärental and the whole family relocated there.[2]

After the 'Adler' was auctioned off in 1856, because Andreas had apparently gone bankrupt,[2] Kunigunde's parents split up and in the following year had their possessions separated. The separation agreement mentioned Kunigunde being 16 years of age and in service, meaning that there was was no longer an obligation on her parents to provide for her. This was not supposed to be changed ("davon bedarf aber vorderhand Kunigund Schindler auch keinen Aufwand, da sie dient und soll vorderhand ihr Zustand in dieser Beziehung der bisherige bleiben").[3]

On 1 August 1866 she gave birth to an illegitimate daughter named Maria Schindler in Hinterzarten.[4] In November 1866 she requested a certificate of residence (Heimatschein) for Maria from the local council of Bärental.[5]

Nine years later, in the summer of 1885, Kunigunda requested such a certificate for herself. According to the local council's report, she planned to take up work in Neuchâtel, Switzerland. The report regarding the application also mentioned her passport and gave a birth date of 26 August 1840, which was 12 days out as compared to the church record.[6]

In 1890, after the usual five years, her Heimatschein expired and needed to be renewed. The report about her renewal request stated that she had been working in Castagnola for a longer period ("ist schon längere Zeit in Castanolla [sic] in Dienst"), Castagnola being a city near Lugano in the Swiss Canton of Ticino/Tessin, about 260 km away from Neuchâtel. Besides the same wrong birth date, the report contained a personal description instead of a reference to her passport. Both her hair and her eye color were given as grey, her face was described as round and her body type was besetzt, which may have meant something similar to untersetzt (rather small and well nourished).[7]

In 1895 another prolongation was required, for which she applied with a handwritten letter sent from Villa Dollfus in Lugano, including the previous certificate from 1890.[8] At one point the birth date, which was initially written wrongly again, was corrected, until she also handed in this document five years later, in 1900.[9]

Her entry in Castagnola's register of foreigners from 1900 listed her together with another woman (Maria Ermann, maybe supposed to be Hermann) from the Grand Duchy of Baden as living with the Dollfus family. Her name was given as Schindler Nina.[10] The name Kunigunde was probably too difficult for Italian speakers to pronounce, resulting in it being changed to 'Nina'.

The report about her Heimatschein from December 1900 did not seem to contain any new information, unlike the one from October 1905: according to the form she was a maid (Dienstmagd) living in Switzerland, who was widowed. The fee for the issuing of the Heimatschein, which did not contain this incorrect marital status, was paid by her son-in-law Josef Hercher.[11]

In her request for a further prolongation in October 1910, she was once again said to be single, living in "Lugano Tessin Schweiz". Her occupation differed from the previous form, being given as a "person in service" (Dienstperson). She again requested the document be sent to her son-in-law.[12] All these papers had in common that they claimed she was born in Bärenthal, when she was actually born in Hinterzarten.

Research notes

Maria's father

Family lore claims that Maria's father was the Swiss painter Frank Buchser.[13][14] Maria was said to have told her son Emil Hercher that Buchser was her father when she saw something about him in a newspaper.[14] Emil was reported to have mumbled something about him being his grandfather when there was a report about Buchser on the radio.[13]

Some in the family assumed that Frank Buchser was in Baden at the time of conception and may later have helped Kunigunde to find a job in Switzerland.[13] Others claimed that Kunigunde was already working abroad when she met Buchser. It was said that she was allowed to deliver the child at home in Baden, but then had to leave her behind in order to be able to continue working in Switzerland.[14]

From today's perspective, the situation for illegitimate children and their mothers in Switzerland was catastrophic: if the father did not acknowledge paternity, the child could be taken away from the unmarried mother.[15][16]

With this background, it would be understandable that Kunigunda would have chosen to return to the Black Forest for the birth of her child and that she would not have been able to take Maria to Switzerland upon her return there.

  • to do: maybe that's why Maria also left the child at home?

Meeting Buchser in the Black Forest?

  • to do: reconstruct where Buchser was in October and November 1865 (calculated conception would be 1 November 1865)

Meeting Buchser in Switzerland?

The first known request for a Heimatschein by her only dates back to 1885, when she requested the one for Neuchâtel.[6] In the file containing Heimatschein requests for Bärenthal from 1855 until 1873[5] as well as in the the one from 1874 to 1894,[6] there is no earlier request found from her, except the one for her daughter in 1866.[5]

This suggests that she was either not working abroad before 1885 or that she was, but without actually requiring such a document. A Heimatschein was intended either for staying in one place over a longer time period or for the purpose of working as a servant/maid or day laborer - both usually outside of Baden ("... auf einen bestimmten Ort und auf einen längeren ununterbrochenen Aufenthalt daselbst lauten, oder sollen nur zum Zweck des Dienens, also nur an Dienstboten und Taglöhner erteilt werden."). Passports and further documents were used for travel other for other purposes.[17]

Kunigunda's older sister Maria Schindler requested a Heimatschein for Basel in 1862,[18] gave birth to a child in Freiburg at the end of that year and apparently left the child in Baden around 1864 (maybe for the reasons mentioned above?), before giving birth to her second child, again in Freiburg, at the end of 1867 and wanting to work in Sarnen, Canton Obwalden, starting in April 1868.[19] This time between 1864 and 1867 would perfectly cover the calculated time of conception of Kunigunda's child around 1 November 1865. Maybe Kunigunda was with her without needing a Heimatschein e.g. on a longer visit or similar.

  • to do: learn about Basel civil registration and treatment of foreigners

Wild theory: Maria Schindler might have worked for some person from or close to the wealthy Burckhardt family from Basel. Via his wife Annie Elisabeth Burckhardt, there would have been a connection to Roger Albert Dollfus, the son of Kunigunde's later employer. Julia Burckhardt, a relative of Annie Elisabeth on the other hand, was married to Christof Socin, who exchanged several letters with Frank Buchser between October 1881 and September 1887 (the year before Socin's death).[20] The two Burckhardt women were third cousins once removed.[21]

Also Gaspard Dollfus, the grandfather of Roger Albert Dollfus, was living in Rebgasse 1 in Basel in 1868.[22]

Unfortunately searches of the State Archives of Canton Basel-Stadt did not turn up any information on Kunigunda or her sister Maria in the following collections:

  • Bürgerrecht G 2.16
  • Adressbuch der Stadt Basel
  • PD-REG 7-1 (Einwohnerkontrolle)
  • JD-REG 6e 2 5 (Trauungen, 1701-1869, L-Schlh)
  • JD-REG 6e 1 35 (Taufen, 1801-1869, Sch-So)

Working abroad

At one point Kunigunda's daughter Maria was being raised by foster parents (or similar) who lived at Schniederpauli's.[13] Her mother was apparently able to visit her daughter once a year. In the earlier years she is reported to have come by coach, later by train through the Gotthard Tunnel, which was opened in 1882.[14] This may imply that she was either working in one place over a longer period and was only able to use the tunnel after it was built, or that, in the earlier years, she worked somewhere in Switzerland from where the journey did not require her to cross the Saint-Gotthard Massif.

The church family register of Hinterzarten, which was started around 1870, has her working in Switzerland (dient in d. Schweiz).[23]

  • to do: try to determine when the church family register was no longer updated in order to see at least how old this information was

In 1875, ten years before Kunigunda requested her first Heimatschein for Switzerland, her younger sister Caroline Schindler was already working in Neuchâtel.[24] Maybe Kunigunda had been there previously or got the job via her sister. Neuchâtel was only 60 km away from Buchser's home in Solothurn …

In spring 1878 their brother Paul Schindler planned to work in Kriens, Canton Luzern, Switzerland.[25] In 1881 or 1882 Maria's daughter, Kunigunda's niece, died in Luzern.[26]

It looks like the siblings were sometimes quite close to each other in this foreign country.

The State Archives of the Canton of Neuchâtel have records of Caroline being there in the 1870s, but no sign of Kunigunda. The State Archives of the Canton of Ticino do not have Kunigunda recorded in the Register of Population kept between 1878 and 1901, as well as at the three registers kept from 1904 to 1935. The is also not to be found within the 500 families that lived in Castagnola between 1878 and 1901.[27]

Villa Dollfus, where she had already been working in 1890,[7] is situated in Castagnola (currently: part of Lugano) on the shore of Lake Lugano. It was constructed between November 1887 and when the family moved in on 10 October 1889.[28]

Her occupation is said by some members of the family not to have been housework, but mainly entertaining visitors,[13] while others claim she was very hard-working and in the end became the Beschließerin (a housekeeper in the historic sense of the female head of the indoor servants).[14]

  • How did she get there?
  • Is there a documented relationship between the Buchser and Dollfus families?

Death

Time

It is said that she wanted to spend her old age at Ramselehof with her daughter's family. She apparently offered them the money to build a chimney, but Joseph Hercher, Maria's husband, is reported to have said that his mother had always cooked in the smoke kitchen (Rauchküche) and therefore refused to have the house modernized. Kunigunde's years of service had acquainted her with a higher level of comfort and she chose to remain where she was.[14]

Kunigunde's legacy was in booked Swiss francs and was to be picked up from the Basler Kantonalbank. When she died, the value of the Goldmark had dropped dramatically (probably during Hyperinflation in the Weimar Republic between 1921 and 1923). Maria, her daughter, went to the bank and received a pile of nearly worthless German inflation money. Four big suitcases with quite exquisite clothing - at least from the perspective of people living on a Black Forest farm - arrived by post. Among them were multiple pairs of glacé gloves.[13]

The obituary of Kunigunda's brother Joseph, who had emigrated to the US in the 1870s and who died on 13 February 1923, stated that he was survived by three sisters in Germany.[29] This might help to narrow down the death dates of Kunigunda and her four sisters, once the death dates of at least two of them have been found. One of course also needs to take into consideration that news would take some weeks to arrive in the US.

  • to do: find the deaths of her sisters

The Bärenthal Heimatschein files do not contain any request from Kunigunde from October 1910 until the end of 1920.[12] In theory she would have needed another prolongation in 1915, which may have been postponed because of the Great War. On the other hand, she may not have needed one as she would have been 75 years of age and perhaps in receipt of some kind of pension).

A chimney was built at Ramselehof in or around 1927, certainly after the death of Maria Schindler's husband Joseph Hercher.[30] Oskar Hercher, Maria's grandchild, always wondered where the money had come from. One theory was that it was financed by the inheritance from Kunigunda.[13] However, since that money was reportedly nearly worthless – Maria's grandchild Ludwig Steurenthaler later used inflation money as wallpaper for his party room[13] – this was rather unlikely.

Place

On a visit to Lugano in the 1960s, her great-grandchild Steurenthaler-1 met a neighbor who said she had known Kunigunde (or the Dollfus family?) and that she (or they?) had moved to Lake Thun.[13] This refers to Ruggero Dollfus (aka Roger Albert Dollfus de Volckersberg, * 14 July 1876 in Milano), who bought Kiesen Castle in 1915 and died there in 1948.[31] Kiesen is about 10 km away from Lake Thun.

  • Did Kunigunde maybe move to Kiesen?
    • to do: ask cemetery administration of Wildtrach
    • to do: ask civil administration about registration documents
  • Who took over the mansion in Castagnola?

Apart from Kiesen, The Register of Swiss Surnames, which "offers a comprehensive alphabetical listing of all the families holding citizenship in a Swiss community" as of 1962, also lists a Dollfus family in Basel, who obtainted citizenship in 1900.[32]

  • Did she maybe work for the Dollfus family in Basel towards the end of her life and die there? It might explain why the money was at the Bank of the Canton of Basel, which did not exist in other Cantons.

The death record of her daughter Maria from January 1948 gives her mother as "Kunigunde Schindler, zuletzt in Lugano" (lastly in Lugano),[33] which implies that she might have gone to neither Kiesen nor Basel, but died in Castangola or close by.

Support for this theory came in March 2023 with an email from a grandchild of Roger Dollfus, who claims that Kunigunde is buried with the Dollfus family! Since even Roger Dollfus, who passed away in Kiesen, was buried in Castagnola,[34] this grave must have been (and maybe still is) in the village of Kunigunda's former workplace.

Revolver

According to family lore she owned a small revolver, which she may have received after Buchser's trip to the United States. Apparently her daughter Maria used to carry it in her apron after Kunigunda's death. It is not known what happenend to it after Maria's death.[35]

There was an incident when Maria almost shot her son Wilhelm with a revolver at Ramselehof, because she mistook him for a burglar. Steurenthaler-1 claims that Maria received that gun from her son Emil, who was a forester.[36] Maybe this was actually the gun from Kunigunda?

Ideas for further research

Acknowledgements

  • I. Caruso for mapping "Lake Thun" with "Kiesen Castle"
  • Friedrich R. Wollmershäuser for pointing me towards Heimatschein documents
  • Numerous authorities that searched for records of her

Sources

  1. "Germany, Baden, Archdiocese of Freiburg im Breisgau, Catholic Church Records, 1678-1930". Citing Baptism, Hinterzarten, Neustadt, Baden, Deutschland, , Erzbischöfliches Archiv Freiburg (Archbishop's Archives), Germany. FamilySearch (accessed 27 February 2022) FamilySearch Image Image number 00769. Kunigunda Schmidler baptism on 14 Aug 1840 in Hinterzarten, Neustadt, Baden, Deutschland.
    No 17.
    Im Jahr achtzehn hundert u. vierzig
    am vierzehnten? August früh drey
    Uhr wurde dahier geboren und
    heute Nachmittag drey Uhr getauft:
    Kunigunda; ehel. Kind des hiesigen?
    Bürgers und Sägers Andreas
    Schindler und der Adelheid Schelb.
    Zeugen sind der ledige Johann Schelb
    mit der ledigen Maria Schindler
    und Meßmer Joh. Georg Hensler
    sämtlich dahier.
    Hinterzarten am 15. August 1840
  2. 2.0 2.1 August Vetter: Geschichte der Gemeinde Feldberg (1968), p. 476 (transcript at her father's profile)
  3. Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Staatsarchiv Freiburg, G 550/1 Nr. 4441, Vermögensaufnahme und Absonderung zw. Schindler, Andreas und Ehefau Adelheide geb. Schelb, Bärental], p. 3 and 12
  4. "Germany, Baden, Archdiocese of Freiburg im Breisgau, Catholic Church Records, 1678-1930". Citing Baptism, Hinterzarten, Neustadt, Baden, Deutschland, , Erzbischöfliches Archiv Freiburg (Archbishop's Archives), Germany. FamilySearch (accessed 27 February 2022) FamilySearch Image Image number 00107. Maria Schindler baptism on 1 Aug 1866 in Hinterzarten, Neustadt, Baden, Deutschland. (see Schindler-1412 for transcript)
  5. 5.0 5.1 5.2 Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Staatsarchiv Freiburg, B 726/1 Nr. 5145, Ausstellung von Heimatscheinen für in der Gemeinde Bärental Heimatberechtigte 1855-1873, 18 November 1866, 10206
  6. 6.0 6.1 6.2 Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Staatsarchiv Freiburg, B 726/1 Nr. 5146, Ausstellung von Heimatscheinen für in der Gemeinde Bärental Heimatberechtigte 1874-1894, 7361/No. 198
  7. 7.0 7.1 Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Staatsarchiv Freiburg, B 726/1 Nr. 5146, Ausstellung von Heimatscheinen für in der Gemeinde Bärental Heimatberechtigte 1874-1894, 10958/No. 216
  8. Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Staatsarchiv Freiburg, B 726/1 Nr. 5147, Ausstellung von Heimatscheinen für in der Gemeinde Bärental Heimatberechtigte 1895-1905, 19458?:
    front
    Wohllöbliches
    Bürgermeisteramt
    in Bärenthal
    Bitte um Entschuldigung
    erst heute meinen
    Heimatschein einzuschicken,
    um Verlängerung durch
    denselben zu erhalten.
    In Erwartung, daß Sie mir
    denselben gütigst zurücksenden
    werden an unterzeichnete
    Adresse.
    Sollten Sie Auslagen damit
    haben so ersuche Sie die=
    selben bei meinem Tochter
    Mann oder durch Nachnahme
    erhalten zu wollen.//
    back
    Noch zu bemerken ist,
    daß ich seit 1890 hier in
    dieser Stelle bin u. meine
    Papiere stets in meinen
    Händen hatte
    Hochachtungsvollst
    gezeichnet
    Kunigunde? Schindler
    Villa Dollfus
    Lugano
    (Ct. Tessin)
    Suisse
  9. Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Staatsarchiv Freiburg, B 726/1 Nr. 5147, Ausstellung von Heimatscheinen für in der Gemeinde Bärental Heimatberechtigte 1895-1905, 24341
  10. Controllo abitanti, Registro delle notifiche degli stranieri 1898-1905, registro 15, 1900/11
  11. Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Staatsarchiv Freiburg, B 726/1 Nr. 5147, Ausstellung von Heimatscheinen für in der Gemeinde Bärental Heimatberechtigte 1895-1905, 21866/No. 435
  12. 12.0 12.1 Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Staatsarchiv Freiburg, B 726/1 Nr. 5148, Ausstellung von Heimatscheinen und Staatsangehörigkeitsausweisen für in der Gemeinde Bärental Heimatberechtigte 1906-1920
  13. 13.0 13.1 13.2 13.3 13.4 13.5 13.6 13.7 13.8 told like this by Steurenthaler-1 to Florian Straub
  14. 14.0 14.1 14.2 14.3 14.4 14.5 Story told by Kunigunde's grandchild Maria Hercher to one of her grandchildren.
  15. Mirjam Häsler, Niemandskinder, Schweizer Monat, Ausgabe 968, März 2009 [1]
  16. Karin Grütter, Kindstötung im 19. Jahrhundert: Armut contra bürgerliche Moral (1988) [2]
  17. Die Polizeigesetzgebung des Großherzogthums Baden, 1853, p. 378 f. (Google Books)
  18. Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Staatsarchiv Freiburg, B 726/1 Nr. 5145, Ausstellung von Heimatscheinen für in der Gemeinde Bärental Heimatberechtigte 1855-1873, 7 July 1862, 4453
  19. Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Staatsarchiv Freiburg, B 726/1 Nr. 5145, Ausstellung von Heimatscheinen für in der Gemeinde Bärental Heimatberechtigte 1855-1873, 1868/69, 10145
  20. Search results at kalliope-verbund.info
  21. WikiTree Connection Finder (accessed 23 August 2022)
  22. Adressbuch der Stadt Basel von 1868, p. 37 (Scan)
  23. Familienbuch der Pfarrei Hinterzarten, p. 71b., FHL microfilm 923138, image 368
  24. Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Staatsarchiv Freiburg, B 726/1 Nr. 5146, Ausstellung von Heimatscheinen für in der Gemeinde Bärental Heimatberechtigte 1874-1894
  25. Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Staatsarchiv Freiburg, B 726/1 Nr. 5146, Ausstellung von Heimatscheinen für in der Gemeinde Bärental Heimatberechtigte 1874-1894
  26. Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Staatsarchiv Freiburg, B 726/1 Nr. 5146, Ausstellung von Heimatscheinen für in der Gemeinde Bärental Heimatberechtigte 1874-1894, 26 January 1882
  27. Reply to request to State Archives of the Canton of Ticino in June 2023
  28. Villa Dollfus in Castagnola bei Lugano: Architekt: F. Kühn In: Verlags-AG der akademischen technischen Vereine (Herausgeber): Schweizerische Bauzeitung, Band 23/24 (1894), Heft 20, 19 May 1894, p. 128, scan
  29. Joseph Schindler Dies, The Pittsburgh Press, 14 February 1923, p. 20, newspapers.com
  30. Gemeinde Hinterzarten: Sterberegister 12/1924. Todeschein. 8 January 1828
  31. Gemeinde Kiesen - Ortsgeschichte, kiesen.ch
  32. The Register of Swiss Surnames, Historical Dictionary of Switzerland
  33. Standesamt Hinterzarten, Sterberegister 1/1948
  34. Death announcement Roger Dollfus, Neue Zürcher Zeitung, Nummer 1491, 14. Juli 1948, e-newspaperarchives.ch
  35. told like this by Maria's great grandchild W. Hercher on 27 July 2022
  36. told by Steurenthaler-1 on 19 October 2014




Is Kunigunde your ancestor? Please don't go away!
 star icon Login to collaborate or comment, or
 star icon contact private message the profile manager, or
 star icon ask our community of genealogists a question.
Sponsored Search by Ancestry.com

DNA
No known carriers of Kunigunde's DNA have taken a DNA test.

Have you taken a DNA test? If so, login to add it. If not, see our friends at Ancestry DNA.



Comments: 9

Leave a message for others who see this profile.
There are no comments yet.
Login to post a comment.
Dieses Profil gefällt mir sehr, weil es das Schicksal einer Schwarzwälderin aus dem 19. Jahrhundert mit unehelichem Kind schildert. Die Ausrichtung ihres Arbeitslebens in Richtung Schweiz ist ebenfalls sehr interessant. Damals gab es allerdings auch viele Schweizer Arbeitsmigraten, die es ins europäische Ausland zog, z. B. die Kaffeehausbetreiber und Konditoren aus dem Puschlav (Poschiavo). Man sollte Kunigundes Leben verfilmen oder einen Roman darüber schreiben. Tolle Quellen- und Erinnerungsarbeit, die Du da geleistet hast! Danke, Flo.

Grüße von Eva.

Danke. Wenn dich die Thematik interessiert, empfehle ich auch die Lektüre des Profils ihrer Schwester Maria Schindler.
posted by Florian Straub
An extremely interesting profile. I don't understand your connection fully, but you found some amazing information to document this family and compiled it well. Luckily as a "Schindler" I received notice of your writing this.

Good Job saving this part of history that may have been lost.

posted by MiKe Schindler
Awww. Thank you. She's my 3x great grandmother and one of my favorite ancestors. One day I will hopefully add the whole Upper Black Forest Schindler clan to the Schindler Name Study.
posted by Florian Straub
You were quite fortunate that (apparently) much information has been saved along the way for you to write this story. I was trying to think of a picture in the background that would make sense. I happen to like backgrounds, but some do not. Maybe a castle, a woodsman. I have a couple I found in amongst my images if you'd care to look at them, but I will be happy just watching what you post next.
posted by MiKe Schindler
BTW, a real long shot here as a question. My earliest know ancester from Clausthal from here=https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Schindler-1042

was missing from Clausthal church records between 1709 and 1715 in Clausthal . Not much chance you would have any information that he might have heade north to Clausthal from the Black Forrest. But if you see anything like that let me know. More than likely he moved from another area of Hanover to Clausthal, but folks back then can surprise you how far they travelled.

posted by MiKe Schindler
Read your profile. I strongly doubt it, since it's quite far away and the name is widely spread. Can you maybe change the research notes of that profile a bit? Somehow I don't understand everything that is written in it. Also it would be nice to learn, how you came up with the birth and death estimations. Just my 0.02 EUR
posted by Florian Straub
His first known son was born son was born 1710, so I estimated from there. That is the way the genealogist wrote it, so I wanted to keep the wording much the same.
posted by MiKe Schindler
edited by MiKe Schindler
No need to reply here, Just letting you know I re-visited and love this page again. I just happen to be going over old emails, and we've had more discussions than I remembered. You were always there to help when needed and still are.
posted by MiKe Schindler