Mary Ice
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Marguerite Ice (abt. 1737 - abt. 1825)

Marguerite (Mary) Ice aka Iaac, Eyck
Born about in Virginiamap
Ancestors ancestors
Daughter of [uncertain] and [uncertain]
[spouse(s) unknown]
[children unknown]
Died about at about age 88 in Indian Territorymap [uncertain]
Profile last modified | Created 14 Oct 2013
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Research suggests that this person may never have existed. See the text for details.
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This woman is NOT the mother of Tecumseh! Please do not add her to his profile. Virginia Ice Thomas wrote the following in her History of Marion County, Virginia. There is absolutely nothing to support these claims. Tecumseh's mother is a well-documented Shawnee woman. [1]

Biography

This profile represents Margaret/Mary, who many believe was one of the Ice siblings captured by Native Americans and later released. However, she does not appear among the Ice names on the list of released hostages.

The narrative of Barbara Leininger, and Marie LeRoy, published in German, in 1759, is a firsthand account of their capture and escape from the Indians, and it is notable for listing other whites who Barbara met during her captivity, including Eve, William, Catharine Ice (spelled Isaacs in the narrative). This narrative ALSO mentions a German woman named Mary (no last name), who Leininger met near Moschkingo, who was the "wife of a Miller, from the South Branch." Although Mary initially wanted to join Barbara in her attempt to escape her captivity, she became lame and was unable to make the journey. Mary did, however, provide provisions to Leininger and LeRoy (and an English man named Owen Gibson)--to assist them during their escape. Possibly, "Mary" is Mary Ice--the presumed sister of William Ice, captured at the South Branch with her siblings, who remained with the Indians.

Some descendants believe she remained among her captors and married a Native American. Ice family stories recount that Mary, aged 88, visited her white family once, and a big feast was given in her honor. She returned to her Indian family soon thereafter.

Research Notes

The following is unsupported by any documentation or contemporaneous source: "Although "Mary" Ice, a daughter of Frederick Ice and his 1st wife, was captured by the warrior, Killbuck, when Ice's first settlement in Western Virginia was destroyed and after she matured, was married to Pucksinekau and had thirteen children by him, including Cheesekau, Tecumapease, Tecumseh, and the triplets, Tenskwatawak, Elkswatawah, and Kumshaka, no Ice is descended of Tecumseh, his sister, nor of any of the brothers, much as we have wanted to be. According to Oliver Perry Ice, great-grandson of Frederick, when he was only four years old, "Mary" came to visit his family and he remembered the big feast given in her honor. He remembered her as being very old and at that time, she would have been about 88 years old (Oliver Perry was born in 1821). She would not stay with them, although hey wanted her to, and she returned to her Indian family.

Sources

  1. Reprinted in Billy Lynn Cunningham, Descendants of Freidericke Iaac, Pine Grove, WV (Year?).

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How is it that this woman--whether real, fabricated, or some mixture of those--ended up dying in Kokomo, Indiana? Is there a source (or just storytelling) to support this?

The Leininger eyewitness account of "Mary"--wife of a Miller from the South Branch who was captured by Natives and who remained with her captors as an adult-- certainly lends credence to her existence, even if there is no proof she was "Ice" or "Isaac".

posted by Michael Schell
Leininger's account proves nothing other than a woman named Mary was a captive. Leininger escaped, so had no knowledge of that Mary's actions after 1759, whether she stayed with her captors or returned to her home. Other family trees claim Mary/Marguerite died in Texas, equally improbable. A woman named Mary Clausser was released to Bouquet with the Ices in 1763.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
edited by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
I wonder at least whether this account of "Mary, wife of a Miller, captured on the South Branch" is the starting point for further fabrication by others. According to the traditional story, of course she isn't on Bouquet's list (lists?) because she did not return to her family until she was very old.

I am not advocating for unsubstantiated claims, but an eyewitness account of a person and event from 1759 that is at least consistent with the stories should not be dismissed as quickly as so many of the family stories that came later. Sure, it's weak and circumstantial evidence, but it is an actual clue that could, in theory, be tested should better historical sources surface in the future.

posted by Michael Schell
edited by Michael Schell
I replaced the death location with one more in line with the legend.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Detached Tecumseh's father as her spouse. This woman has NO connection to Tecumseh.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Hmm, I'm inclined to think that Tecumseh's mother was Shawnee, because I'm descended from Tecumpease, and, according to Genomelink,have 1% Native Peoples of North America DNA.

Generally, in questions of tribal lines, I'd rather believe the Tribal sources. I'm also apparently related to Mary Marguerite Ice, though. I suppose the descent would hold, if Tecumpease's mother either was Shawnee,with a white father, or, white with a Shawnee father.

posted by Melissa Munden
There is nothing in any record to connect this woman, if she even existed, with the Shawnee. There is also no question that both of Tecumseh’s parents were Shawnee.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Ice-67 and Iaac-1 appear to represent the same person because: May be mythical, but clearly meant to be the same woman.
posted on Iaac-1 (merged) by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Iaac-1 and Ice-67 do not represent the same person because: Does not appear to match
posted by Kirt Fetterling
How are these not a match? Iaac and Ice are both corruptions of the original family name which was Eyck. Ice is the spelling that appears in records at this time. Unclear if this woman existed, but their certainly don’t need to be two versions.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
We may be a bit too aggressive in claiming that Mary "never existed". All available sources indicate that she was NOT the mother of Tecumseh, but her mention in the story of the Indian raid, her ggrandson's biography and other family stories suggest that her existence is not fiction. Of course, a birth record would be nice...

Regardless, I agree with Kathie that we don't need 2 profiles to represent her--and the surname to preserve should be Ice, not Iaac for this generation.

posted by Michael Schell
edited by Michael Schell
Her profile at FamilySearch claims that Mary died in 1823, in Missouri City, Fort Bend, Texas. No source given. We'd need help from some experts in Native American movements to know if this is a reasonable location for Mary to end up, if we believe that she remained with her tribe throughout her life.
posted by Michael Schell
Iaac-1 and Ice-67 appear to represent the same person because: These appear to be the same woman, a member of the Ice family taken captive in the 18th century.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Ice-67 and Iaac-3 appear to represent the same person because: Hi,

It appears I added Mary to my profile list without noticing you had her on your list by a different last name. I am confident that these two profiles are the same person. Would you mind merging them? Thanks, Debi

posted by [Living Adkins]
Ice-87 and Ice-67 appear to represent the same person because: same person
posted by [Living McQueen]
Just adopted this profile and doing research now
posted by [Living McQueen]

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