Punishing the Trusted...

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When you are working on a profile, every unnecessary hoop you must jump through is a distraction.  Recently, the following banner appeared if one is on a profile's trusted list:

his is what the public sees at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cushing-907 with minor differences for you, a member of the Trusted List. Click here to return to the private view.

I'm sure this is intended as helpful information -- and it is -- but it means that every time one has saved that file, one must jump through an extra hoop by clicking to return to the private view before one can edit again.  Is there some way the "private view" can be the default view for those who are on the trusted list, and the "public view" be an option only when one wishes to see what those not on the trusted list can see?

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I have also found this highly irritating. It is rare that I want to look at the Public View of a profile. It's nice to have that option, but it is not an option I want as the default.

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I find this useful.  As I'm editing a profile, I keep the public view open and refresh it to make sure I didn't screw up.

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But JC, the various tabs no longer appear across the top, including Edit and Privacy, etc. when it is a profile that you manage. (If I don't manage the profile, I get the normal tabs across the top.)

I concur with Anne B and Jack Day. It's a pain in the butt.

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Anne and Jillaine,

I'm confused about the source of the problem here. It's not that you're clicking the "public view" tab on the left side after an edit? It shouldn't be the default. You should only get to the public view if you click that tab.

Unless I'm missing something, it could just be that the tab on the left is the easiest to click, as some have indicated below. We could add a "return to profile" button in the "Changes Saved" status message.

Chris

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Chris,

Public view on most profiles includes all the tabs across the top of the profile. BUT on those profiles that we manage or are on the trusted list for, the public view we get after saving an edit (and clicking on "public" from the edit page) does NOT include those tabs.  

It does include an orange (?) box that says "This is what the public sees; click here to return to private..." or something along those lines. If I want to select any of the tab options, I have to click on "return to private" and then the tabs re-appear.

We do not get this behavior if we are editing open profiles for which we are not PM or TL. In those cases, the tabs appear on public view after an edit.

This phenomenon does appear to have shown up after you installed the "ancestors" and "descendants" icons on the profile screen. Not 100% positive.

 

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Screen shot:

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OK, Chris, I'm thinking I'm beginning to understand this.  

First go to an open profile you are NOT on the trusted list for.  I just selected Walker-26842, William Walker.  The button bar under his name has starting from the left, William Y Walker * Edit * Images * Family Tree and Tools * Changes * Privacy.  If I wish, I can click on Edit, make my edits, click on Save, and I am returned to this screen, but still in Edit move.  To view the changes I have made, I click on the FAR LEFT button, which in this case says William Y. Walker, and I am taken to the finished-product view screen.  If I wish to return to Edit, the Edit button is still there before me.

Now I go to a profile where I"m on the trusted list, my great-grandfather Day.   Now, the button bar reads, starting from the list, Profile (public view) * Edit * Images * Family Tree and Tools * Changes * Privacy. * Profile (private view).   Again, i I wish, I can click on Edit, make my edits, click on Save, and I am returned to the screen, but still in Edit move.  To view the changes I have made, as a matter of habit, I click on the FAR LEFT button, which in this case says Profile (public view).  I am taken to the finished-product view screen, but now with the legend that I'm at the public view and if I wish to return to private, click here.  If I wish to return to Edit, I now have to take two steps -- click on private view and then click on Edit.

Key strokes become so automatic that you have to watch what you're doing to figure it out.  It's hitting the FAR LEFT button on the button bar that is the problem.  When you're not on the trusted list, that step takes you to the screen with all the commands on the button bar.  When you ARE on the trusted list, hitting the FAR LEFT button has a different meaning -- it takes you to the public view, and the message has replaced the button bar.

That's why some of the responders have been saying that if you reversed the button bar, so that Profile (private view) was on the left and Profile (public view) was on the right, people would not experience the problem.  But that would create a new problem for all the people who have trained themselves to use the current bar.

I think a better solution would be, fine, keep the message that you are now on the public screen, but have it appear ABOVE the button bar, so that you can click on Edit or the other options without having to first return to private view.

Is that clear as mud now?

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I can't make it happen now, and am not sure exactly when it happens. I just know it's odd. I'll let you know.

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Actually is it because the public view no longer (never) has the tabs bar across the top. Do I not remember something about that?

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This is the edit view of profile i'm manager of or on the trusted list.

This I am not on the trusted list

Clicking the box to the left in the first case takes you to the public view with the banner (mentioned) across the top. Then you have to make two clicks to edit.

Clicking on the box to the left in the second case, gives you the private view so you only have to click once to get to edit.

This is a new phenomenon since removing the tabs from the public view.

Maybe we just need to realize the problem and not click the left tab that says "public"

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I think a better solution would be, fine, keep the message that you are now on the public screen, but have it appear ABOVE the button bar, so that you can click on Edit or the other options without having to first return to private view.

To me, Jack's solution above would seem the simplest.  And it would work whether you click on the right or left. 

Answer 1

I'm guessing that what's happening is that you've been clicking on the "Profile (public view)" tab on the left end of the tab bar instead of the "Profile (private view)" tab on the right end of the tab bar.

Since you wouldn't be on the trusted list of most profiles on WikiTree, and thus the "Profile (private view)" tab isn't even there, I suppose it's easy to get into the habit of clicking the leftmost tab without even looking. With me, it's the other way around: I spend most of my time working on my own profiles, so when the "Profile (private view)" isn't there, it throws me off for a second until I remember to click the leftmost tab instead of the rightmost tab.

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No, since everyone can edit open profiles, on a profile where I'm not on the trusted list, the tab with the choices shows up automatically, and I can immediately select edit.  But if I'm on the trusted list, the tab with choices is replaced with the message I posted above, and I have to click as commanded in order to get back to the tab where I have the choices to make.   Hence I'm being punished for being on the trusted list, because it forces me to click on the message before I'm allowed to have any choices at all!

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I think what's changed is that the tabs have disappeared from the public view.  Possibly round about the time when the Ancestors and Descendants buttons were added.

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But only from the public view if you are on the trusted list.  If you are not on the trusted list, all the tabs are there, just as before.  That's the point.  This is something that impacts people only on the trusted list for a profile, if you are not on the trusted list, you see all the tabs as you always have, no change.

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Yes.  The public view used to be "what the public sees, with minor changes".  I think the full tab strip was one of the minor changes.  Presumably the public only got the Tree & Tools tab.

Seems to me with an Open profile it shouldn't make any difference whether you're on the TL.  There should be two views even if you aren't.  One would be what the public sees, and the other (default) would have the yellow edit links.

Though I must admit the yellow edit links are a useful visual indicator of whether you're on the TL or not, which wouldn't otherwise be apparent.

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I have checked open profiles where I'm on the trusted list, both where I am and where I am not the profile manager, and I still get the full tab strip. I have no idea why you don't. Sorry.

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I just checked the profile that originally triggered this discussion.  The problem is no longer there.  So the options at this point are (1) Somebody with the ability to do so saw the problem and fixed it (2) The problem happens at random and isn't happening at the moment but may happen again at random in the future, or (3) I am going crazy and this would be a good time to make an appointment with an appropriate health care provider.

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 "I'm guessing that what's happening is that you've been clicking on the "Profile (public view)" tab on the left end of the tab bar instead of the "Profile (private view)" tab on the right end of the tab bar" 

I believe what Greg stated above in his answer was referring to when you are on the edit page of the profile.  After you edit something and then click Save, you have to click either the "Profile (public view)" on the left end of the bar or the "Profile (private view)" on the right in order to view the profile.  If you click the "Profile (private view)" after clicking Save, then you won't get that annoying message.  But it is hard to get used to if you haven't done it from the start. 

 

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https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=WikiTree-ID&public=1

will force public view if you're on the TL of an Open profile.

I see no tabs.

Trouble is, there's a path that takes you to public view when you didn't ask for it.  But I can't figure out what it is.

 

 

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Or maybe not.  Trouble is, my subconscious knows how to get out of Edit mode without conscious thought, but I can't train it to hit the right-hand tab if I'm on the TL and the left-hand tab if I'm not.  It wants the "Exit Edit mode" button always to be in the same place.

(But of course that would only make it easier to hit the Exit button before the error banner has filtered through.)

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Would it be possible for the techs to switch the Profile (private view) tab to the left side in Edit mode whether you are on the TL or not?  I can't quite think this through.

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I suppose that is what the PREVIEW tab is for, if you could get in the habit of using that.  Then as  J. Crook stated, you could keep the profile open in a separate tab and refresh to double check your work.  But that may also feel like jumping through hoops.   

Answer 2

Incidentally, the little [edit] link at the bottom of the bio is very handy now.