How to read Heraldry Pedigree's in English Visitation Publications

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Confusion in the way very early English Publications like the various Visitations of English Heraldry are written. Some member of one family may turn up in the Visitation of 2 counties. An example is Ancell Carter

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Carter-212 Ancell Carter and his brother Thomas Carter are shown in the Visitation of the County of Bedfordshire for the year 1633. They are shown as sons of William Carter and his wife Mary Anscell. Thomas is shown with the number 1 and Ancell number 2. The Visitation is 1633 and there are 4 brothers between Thomas and Ansell and sisters also. But the key year is 1633 Thomas's line is "A" and Ancell's "B". Thomas's "A" heir and only son is shown with his own line and son Thomas at age 1 in 1634 but survey taken 1633 so born 1632.

https://www.wikitree.com/photo/png/Carter-203 Bedfordshire 1633

Ancell "B" is shown with sons !,2,3 and 4, his daughter Jane as 1. Each sex starts in order and can be born between years of birth of siblings of either sex. For instance all children were born in London Middlesex County and baptizms in the registers of St, Dunstuns, Stepney, London as George in 1619, John in 1622, Ansell and Jane in 1629 and William in 1632.

A confusing aspect is Ansell is shown in the Vistation of London 1633.

https://www.wikitree.com/photo/png/Carter-17925 

This shows the order of male children 1,2,3, and 4 and females as 1 in the year of 1633 and male 3 and female 1 are twins. The confusion is Ancell himself has 6 sonne underneath his name. This does not mean he has 6 sons as there is no "s" it means he is the 6th son of his father

 

 

WikiTree profile: Thomas Carter
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Thanks, Eric! I have to admit that it is quite confusing. This helps!!
Have you seen some of the Great Barford register entries?

1637 Anna Cartar... pulcherrima amantissima suavissima

1638 Elizabeth Anscell... religiosissima excellentissima suavissima benignissima
Yes I have RJ. Ive used it often this week.

1637 Anna Cartar; Beautiful Delectable Sweet

1638 Elizabeth Anscell; Devout Exellent Sweet Tender

The Priest was quite a poet; The ladies were good but he was better :)

https://archive.org/stream/cu31924029784638#page/n7/mode/2up Genealogia Bedfordiensis; being a collection of evidences relating chiefly to the landed gentry of Bedfordshire, A. D. 1538-1700

More of a question - in fact, just pointing to a separate question on G2G whether we have evidence that Ancell and Jane (Myles) were parents of Capt. Thomas Carter-2866 of Virginia?

Thanks!

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Thank you, Eric!  This is great stuff!  Seems the Visitations may conflict with Joseph Miller's work and certainly conflict with the "Mourning Carter Walker Family Bible," both of which have been used extensively in Family Trees etc.

You're doing great work on the Carters (they certainly need it).  I would love to be able to "jump in" with you right now, but maybe soon ... at least if we can save your insights and sources ...

If you have the time, to please add your wonderful bulletin board messages to the bio(s), I would be super-duper grateful.  I'm afraid we're losing them - as they "drop off" the pages.

Thanks again!
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