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Question

This week have been taking a look at a brick wall and again got no further with it. Wonder if anyone would be kind enough to take a look.

Henry Sherwin (Sherwin-289) appears in 1851 as a widower, occupation police court usher, born ca 1811 in Derbyshire. He is living at 9 Market St., St. Mary Greenwich, with his two sons, Henry, b. ca 1845 Woolwich, and Fredrick, born ca 1847 Greenwich.

Looking back to 1841, he is living Market Street Upper Woolwich Greenwich, apparently single, born out of county. No other Sherwins with him.

So he must have married between 1841 and circa 1845 and lost his wife some time between about 1847 and 1851. But I can't find the marriage or the birth records for either boy. Nor can I find what happens to either Henry, senior or junior, after 1851.

Interestingly, there was a Minerva Ann Sherwin christened in Saint Mary Magdalene, Woolwich in 1843 who dies in 1845. Her parents were Henry Sherwin and Isabella Ann. But I can't find an Isabella Sherwin dying in the Kent area between 1847 and 1851.

I think I have tracked down his parents, but would love to know who his wife was and what becomes of him.

Comments

There was a Henry Sherwin born in 1810 whose parents were James and Ann Sherwin. 

Henry Sherwin England Births and Christenings Name Henry Sherwin Gender Male Christening Date 30 Dec 1810 Christening Place ALVASTON,DERBY,ENGLAND Father's Name James Sherwin Mother's Name Ann     No image available England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Indexing Project (Batch) Number C04715-1 System Origin England-ODM GS Film number 497372 Citing this Record "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG6D-9P8 : 6 December 2014), Henry Sherwin, 30 Dec 1810; citing ALVASTON,DERBY,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 497,372.

 

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Yes, I concur, I haven't found any other suitable parents. These would fit the bill.

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Just had a look at google maps and St Mary Magdalene (now a garden) is .3 miles from Market St., so there's a good chance that Minerva and Isabella belong with Henry.

Answer 1

There is a record of a Henry Sherwin who married in 1841, but there are seven names listed for probable wife. 

Henry Sherwin

England and Wales Marriage Registration Index

Name	Henry Sherwin
Event Type	Marriage
Registration Quarter	Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year	1841
Registration District	Chesterfield
County	Derbyshire
Event Place	Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
Volume	19
Page	364
Line Number	110
Henry Sherwin probably married one of the following people
Name	Frances Botham
Name	William Briggs
Name	Ann Eyre
Name	William Knowles
Name	Charlotte Taylor
Name	Charles Unwin
Name	Mary Young

Comments

Doubt if Henry married Wm Briggs, Wm Knowles or Charles Unwin. So, that narrows it down somewhat.

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Thanks, Frank

I never really looked at these before as I was looking for an Isabella. But now that I do, I find a Henry and Charlotte in the 1851 census in Chesterfield, Derbyshire, so that seems to be a bust :(

Answer 2

1851 census says Henry Sherwin born abt 1811 in Alnaston,Derbyshire,

Actually that is Alvaston.

Henery Sherwin baptised Dec 30 1810 Alvaston Derbyshire.

Father Jas ( James ) Sherwin mother Ann

England select births and Christenings 1538-1975

Comments

Yes, I think these must be his parents. Will have to see if I can get that mistranscription fixed.

Answer 3

Not sure about Charlotte Poole.

They married Aug 12 1844,Which looks fine.His marriage record says his

father was John Sherwin.His Christening record says father was James.

England is always a challenge.

Comments

Yes, and they seem to be a couple in 1851 in Chesterfield. Very strange there seem to be no other marriages suitable for my Henry.

Answer 4

James Sherwin married Anne Greatorix March 9 1809,St Peters

Church,Derbyshire England,Following are Christening dates o children.

James,Aug 13 1809,Henry Dec 30 1810,John,June 5 1814,Charles

Feb 25 1816,Mary Nov 25 1817,Elizabeth,Feb 13 1820,Hannah Feb 17 1822, James,Dec 7 1823,Joseph,April 16 1826,William,Feb 3 1828,All

Christened in Alvaston
Henerey, Dec 13 1810,Have not been able to get further back,Three different father possibilities.

Comments

For the Sherwin side, I lean to John and Sarah Hanbury m 1782 in Alvaston with son James ch. 1783.  Greatorex side is a bit trickier, maybe Thomas and Ann Wain m. 1776 in Wirksworth (lots of Greatorex/Greatrakes there).

 

But what really stumps me is: who was Henry's wife, why can't I find a wedding or a death for her, (or for Henry and his son who disappear after 1851, for that matter), and what happened to the births of the children (other than Minerva). How can so much be missing? Can it be a case of mangled names?

I ordered a certificate for a Frederick George Sherer b 1848, but that wasn't it. :(

Answer 5

Henry Sherwin, the father of Minerva Ann Sherwin is listed in the image of the baptism as being employed as Usher at the Police Court. Her mother is noted as Isabella Ann.

 

Name:	Minerva Ann Sherwin
Record Type:	Baptism
Baptism Date:	12 Feb 1844
Father's name:	Henry Sherwin
Mother's name:	Isabella Ann Sherwin
Parish or Poor Law Union:	Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough:	Greenwich
Register Type:	Parish Registers

Comments

Thanks, Ron! This helps a lot, as it confirms that it's the right Henry and that Isabella Ann was likely the mother of the boys also.

 Frederick has his place of birth as Greenwich (1851), [can't find in 1861,] Blackheath (1871), Woolwich (1881), Kent (1891), and Woolwich (1901) which are all reasonably consistent.

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forgot to ask, where did you find an image of the baptism? I have both findmypast and Ancestry and neither gives me an image.

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Ancestry.co.uk.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=Paj4044&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&gss=angs-g&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=Mererva%20Ann&gsfn_x=0&gsln=Sherwin&gsln_x=0&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=2&MSAV=1&msbdy=1843&msbpn__ftp=Greenwich,%20Kent,%20England&msbpn=85438&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7C0%7C0%7C3257%7C3251%7C0%7C0%7C0%7C5270%7C85438%7C0%7C0%7C&cpxt=1&cp=11&catbucket=rstp&uidh=i24&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=5846474&recoff=10%2011%2031%2032%2044&db=LMAbirths&indiv=1&ml_rpos=14

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Beautiful! Thank you for this, have not seen it before. I wonder why it doesn't come up on my account (it just says "no image, text-only collection")

Great to have this. Also gives them still on Market Street. Did a virtual walk down it on google maps.

Answer 6

Oddly there is also a marriage record dated 2nd quarter 1841 ,

Chesterfield District,Derbyshire.Same as record marriage 1844,More than

Likely original record date was hard too read.

Same women ,Ann Eyre ,Charlotte Taylor,Mary young.