Can You Help Oscar von Sydow, the Sweden Project and the Collaborative Profile of the Week

Question

The Sweden Project and the Collaborative Profile of the Week Present

Oscar von Sydow

Oscar von Sydow (1873-1936) was a Swedish politician who served as Prime Minister of Sweden from February 23 to October 13, 1921. He was one of the people that was instrumental in removing the death penalty in Sweden.

1. Who were his parents?
2. Did he only have the one child?
3. Did he have an occupation, besides politician?
4. Where did he go to school?
5. What was outstanding in his career?

It’s helpful to the collaboration and to save duplication of work, if you post an answer here before working on some aspect of the profile. But please feel free to simply add to the profile whatever you’ve found out with it’s source.

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Thank You

Answer 1

Transcription see help needed

 Kalmar stadsförsamling AI:81 (1871-1887) Image 129 / page 125 (AID: v22721.b129.s125, NAD: SE/VALA/00177)

there is a comment about what happened with the children after the parents died

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Barnen vårdas af Consul P.E. Krueger å 172 Staden

Alltså Kalmar stadsförsamling AI:80 (1871-1886) Bild 183 / sid 353 (AID: v22720.b183.s353, NAD: SE/VALA/00177)

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Thanks Eva.... do you think 172 is what he is paid?

Looks like we have brother Henric Walter von Sydow born 1864 13/11 emigrating to Amerika 1885....

Kalmar stadsförsamling AI:80 (1871-1886) Image 183 / page 353 (AID: v22720.b183.s353, NAD: SE/VALA/00177)

And if we trust Geni.com pass away in Chicago 18 dec 1938 
 

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No, I don't think that's what he paid. You're kidding, aren't you?

172 is the property number. And was in this case not too hard to find in the books for Kalmar. Towns can be hopeless.

Answer 2

According to the English version of Wikipedia: "Oscar von Sydow was the son of Henrik August von Sydow, a magistrate's secretary and Euphrosyne Maria Modin. He was born in Kalmar and raised in Norrland. In 1890, he passed his maturity examination and proceeded to study Law at Uppsala University. In 1894, he graduated with a degree in civil service."

But all this, his marriage info, and children are in the already cited Swedish Wikipedia!

Comments

Thank you Robert

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Thanks for the thanks.  There's quite a bit about him, his life, his family, etc. online-mostly in Swedish.  If it's desirable, I can start translating into English and adding to the bio.  Or just add links to the Swedish stuff.

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Ideally for this profile, we would like to have a bio in English and a bio in Swedish. So feel free to add to the bio in either or both languages. I've set it up to do both now

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Should we duplicate Wikipedia?

I think why not update the Wikipedia version and just have hardcore genealogy information in WikiTree.... with church books references...

FYI: I feel that Wikipedia is weak on referencing sources in Swedish Church books so I started a discussion at Wikipedia how this should be done better

see Wikipedia:Wikipediafrågor#Citera_svenska_kyrkböcker_med_eller_utan_mall_och_hur_i_WikiData

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>> bio in English and a bio in Swedish

I disagree
Do we need that?!?!

1. 99% of Swedish people speak better english than me... we start learn english in grade 3 and stop looking on Swedish TV when you pass 15 ;-)
2. A swedish version on WikiTree will never be as good as the Swedish Wikipedia 
3. I feel WikiTree should not be a carbon copy of Wikipedia it should be more of a genealogy research profile with links to primary source 
   1. Swedish Churchbooks
      1. SDB 1901-2013 is ok but better to primary sources ..... 
   2. SVAR - index over archives in Sweden and also some indexed records published by the Swedish National Archive
   3. Runeberg - scanned original book
   4. Rotemansarkivet - good indexed archive over Stockholm....
   5. .....

Is my opinion after have been looking at many of those +21 000 Wikipedia articles that also are available in WikiTree. So far always Wikipedia has been better reading than WikiTree. 

 

Maybe we can do Oscar von Sydow the first profile were if you would like to have proofs then you check in WikiTree because of the genealogy quality...

 

Or?

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Magnus, I did not realize that most Swedish people speak English. Must be a wonderful educational system.

And I agree that Wikitree should not be a copy of Wikipedia. That we should be concentrating on Genealogy and primary documents. It looks like between you and Robert you are doing an excellent job.

Thank you both.

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@Anne this is my point of view.... I feel prio 1 is genealogy then language could be in the future.... I guess we have other opinions....

The "problem"/possibility with genealogy is that we can involve also older people and they maybe are not used to english and I guess they will never try WikiTree....

The sad thing in Sweden was when I was young everyone could also another language like german, french, spanish.... but when I look at my son who study medicine in Poland (english division ;-) ) no young people have skills in another language besides english....

The consequences of this is that most people yesterday listened to Trump and Clinton instead of read Voltaire yesterday.... feels not good...

Answer 3

One excellent source that is scanned about him is Hvar 8:e dag see Runeberg its one page written in No 51 20 sep 1914

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About him and that he has his roots in a Nobel family i Germany

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I did a Google search

 oscar fredrik sydow +site:runeberg.org/

Answer 4

SVAR is the national Archive of Sweden and they have more Letter collections. Looks like 38 letter

Search 
Name: Sydow Oscar Fredrik
Birth year 1873

Result

Most of those letter can be found at different archives e.g.

Archive Sjöholmsarkivet II. Lewenhauptska släktarkivet. (RA/720791.002)

Archive Ivar Afzelius' samling. (RA/720471)

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Thanks,Magnus.

I love this stuff, but unfortunately I have no subscriptions to places like SVAR, so I have to rely on people like you to add them.

Answer 5

I change borth second son Erik looks like born 1912 sep 2 

1. Hovförsamlingen AIIa:9 (1926-1939) Image 2130 / page 207 (AID: v245057.b2130.s207, NAD: SE/SSA/0007) in Wasa 
2. Birth record Göteborgs Vasa C:1 (1908-1912) Image 350 / page 346 (AID: v82612.b350.s346, NAD: SE/GLA/15475)
3. Svensk dödsbok

   1. 19120902-0575 von Sydow, Erik
      Hazeliusbacken 18
      115 21 Stockholm
      Död 5/12 1997.
      Folkbokförd i Oscar, Stockholms stad (Stockholms län, Uppland).
      Född 2/9 1912 i Göteborgs Vasa (Göteborgs och Bohus län, Västergötland).Gift man (20/1 1940).
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      Födelseförsamling i källan: Vasa (Göteborgs och Bohus län)

      Källor: RTB 97 / SPAR 92f

Comments

Magnus, Thank you for your excellent genealogical work on Oscar. I frequently end up having to write biographies for the collaborative profile. It was wonderful that it was all done and I didn't have to take time away from Sourcing. This was much appreciated and it looks great.

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@Anne

I think doing things like this could be a possibility for people with local knowledge to explain for other people what can be done...

I passed by the oldest genealogy society in Sweden and they have a lot of books and also they have shelves with private family research done and also from newspaper birth, marriage, death information etc....

What I started with was on Category:Sweden_Family_Brick_Walls_Solved added people and a small description what was done and maybe also how

• Fisk-729#Sources_used_to_solve_Brickwall
• Jonasdotter-344#What_we_did
• Pålsson-130#Done

Maybe a pattern also to reuse for the Collaborative Profile of the Week?!?!?

Answer 6

Grave information

Did a video how I found his grave and also how I used Facebook to request a picture of the grave

1. Searched Svenska Gravar 
2. Found him http://www.svenskagravar.se/gravsatt/40607106 with map and location
3. As he was buried in Östra Kyrkogården Göteborg I added category [[Category:Östra_kyrkogården,_Göteborg_(O)]]
   on that category I have added before a hint that we have a FB group if you would like to have a photo of a grave in Göteborg
    
4. Facebook group I asked in to get a photo of his grave 
   
   2 minutes later I found that in WIkidata they had a Grave photo uploaded in public domain....
    
5. His profile in WikiData  Q53628 that he had a grave photo'

Oscar von Sydow's grave at Östra kyrkogården in Göteborg. Plot 1100D 00021 Östra_kyrkogården,_Göteborg Picture from WikiCommon

 

Comments

Very modest. In particular, very modest for the posh part of Östra.

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Good sleuthing Magnus

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As Wikidata seems to have a lot of grave photos I did this generic list of all people in WikiTree that we have connected with a picture of a grave see G2G  

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@Eva re modest maybe a good sign....or maybe Swedish style of law of Jante

Found my mothers biological fathers grave last year in Beograd and feels like his priority was his own grave before caring about a child in Sweden....

 

WikiTree should have a possibility to generate reports with picture of graves in your family tree and see how they changed...

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There are a lot of very non-Jante graves at Östra.

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@Eva: Nice pictures

1. Not many WikiTree "people" at Östra we have found in Wikidata

   http://tinyurl.com/gpyysw4

2. All people in Wikidata on Östra 

   http://tinyurl.com/h6ewxw6

   1. Pictures of grave and person if they exists
      

      http://tinyurl.com/hkocez2

Answer 7

1. Just a push for Digitalt Museum
   
   Did a search for Oscar Sydow and a lot of old pictures was found
   
   Oscar with the Swedish King possible to use
   
   
    
2. Another good picture source is Porträttfynd but no luck with Oscar...

Both Digital Museum and Porträttfynd are linked on the Swedish Parish pages

Comments

Nice photo and yes it can be used, since it has CC license

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@Anne doing Swedish genealogy and when you have done your homework you have a timeline with all the books

1. Birth record
2. Household records for every year
3. Moving out/moving in
4. Marriage record
5. Death record
6. Estate and inventory

And that is me..... if you should do a readable profile I think you should have a bio section that is more free text with good stories.... and more pictures like above....

To do this I feel you need much more skills and knowledge about the person to write a story......

 

Feels also like all the pictures in WikiData/Wikipedia always can be used...

CC license feels like all picture referenced in Wikipedia are CC

 

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Is he connected to Max Von Sydow?

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I wondered the same thing Sir William.

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@AnneB and Sir William 

A draft of a page about von Sydow family that you could have as a start and also please correct my english in the space page...

Space:Von_Sydow_FamilyTree

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Love the space page Magnus, and Oscar's page looks great.

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@Anne using Space pages and include on many pages is one reason why a Wiki is good for genealogy

 

Answer 8

The trees of both max v s-10 and oscar are wel connected on https://sv.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Sydow_(släkt)

Comments

Now we know.

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I spend this evening at the Genealogy Society (GF) in Stockholm learning more about best practise regarding citing sources.

GF has a good library and more books about the von Sydow family see video

They also had communication with The von Sydow family association that was founded of Von_Sydow-8 see http://vonsydow.se/slaktforeningen 

Books found


Book Släkten von Sydow i Sverige


In one of the books it was pictures from many people in the 1920 and 1940 on a meeting..... things like this makes genealogy easy ;-)


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And on the next page who is on the picture....

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I guess Mary v. S. f. Wijk is Wijk-15 the wife of Von_Sydow-8

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That is very cool Magnus.

Answer 9

Another good Swedish source is to be member in Genealogiska föreningen. They have some archives like old passport register (you needed passport to travel inside Sweden) and also they have birth and death notices scanned online for members

A check on von Sydow I found his death notice

And other articles

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Answer 10

Small summary we got 37 sources for one profile Von_Sydow-8..... most because he was famous but finding sources in Sweden is I understand rather easy compared to other part of the world... and you can easy get 5-10 sources for a WikiTree profile after 1800

If someone is interested we have Alicia Vikanders Vikander-2 roots that needs some more care
http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Vikander-Family-Tree-2 

 

Comments

Why not Joel Emanuel Hägglund, alias Joseph Hillström eller Joe Hill, the man that never died?

Born in Gävle Sweden 1879 and executed in Salt Lake City 1915.

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Wikipedia Joe_Hill 

I grow up in Gävle were he was born.

No profile on WikiTree today. 

• FindAGrave GRid=2666
• Wikidata Q346993
• Snack w6t72t5m