Photo? – Somewhere in Germany 1945>

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I'm working on a free-space sub section of my father's profile:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Marian_Serowka%27s_Wartime

I've added this image of my dad relaxing with fellow comrades of the First Polish Armoured Division. I suspect that the picture was taken in 1945 or later and could possibly be in Meppen or Hamburg areas due to the German war time slogan painted on the wall.

I wonder if that wall still exists today?

I love the laid back moment of this picture during war torn Europe.

I'm rushing to finalise my father's profile before the 100th anniversary of his birth next month.

WikiTree profile: John Serówka
in Genealogy Help by Steve Serowka G2G5 (5.2k points)

3 Answers

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What a fascinating personal journey your father had. Really like his bio and the FreeSpace page.

In early 1945, the 1st PAD transferred to the province of Overijssel, Netherlands and started to push with the Allied forces along the Dutch/German border. Along the way they helped liberate the eastern parts of the provinces of Drenthe and Groningen including the major towns of Emmen, Coevorden and Stadskanaal. In April 1945, they entered Germany in the area of Emsland and finally ended the war in Wilhelmshaven in Lower Saxony, pretty sure they never went as far as Hamburg. On 28 April 1945 the Division seized the Kriegsmarine naval base in Wilhelmshaven, where General Maczek accepted the capitulation of the fortress. They then remained there until 1947 as part of the Allied occupation force.

Looking at the photo I can see the deciduous trees are not in full leaf so it's probably winter or spring. Also obvious are what look like bunker entrances behind the group, most notably above the head of the fella at second from the right. They could be relaxing in Wilhelmshaven, perhaps in some military facility, though the brick-walled building at left looks quite industrial. They don't appear to be armed so this could well be post war.

A unit diary might provide some clues. Good luck in your search.
by Mark Stevens G2G6 Mach 1 (16.1k points)
Hi Mark

Thank you for taking the time to answer in such useful detail which I'm sure is going to help as I continue my search.

Steve

You're welcome Steve.

I don't know if you're aware of it but there is a book about the 1st PAD which covers their operations right up until 1947:

https://amzn.to/3QjVJYh

Re the Hamburg barracks that Gudula mentions. There are some plans and historic photos of the barracks on this page:

https://bit.ly/3JB18pV

The older plan is from 1896 whilst the latter is probably from the 1950s. They may be of use if you are trying to establish an exact location.

You might also find this site of interest:

https://bit.ly/3JB1GMv

It's a site about the German Imperial Navy in Wilhelmshaven, the link specifically goes to a series of pages that are about the various sites, barracks etc (use the list at right to navigate). There are plenty of archive photos, modern photos, plans and maps which might be worth looking into. My German is not up to reading the pages but I suspect there would be someone here, or at that site, who might be able to help. Notably there are a few forts listed that could be candidates for a location, though most of the sites would have had air raid bunkers at least.

You must be a mind reader ...I ordered the book you mentioned yesterday.

I've studied the other location links, even viewing the areas on Google Earth but alas, so far the position of the wall remains a mystery.

I'm still confident that the answer is out there somewhere.
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Great photo. It must have been taken in spring (in winter it wouldn't have been warm enough for a picture like this). There used to be barracks in Hamburg, named "Viktoria-Kaserne". I wonder if the photo could have been taken there. Only one of 3 buildings remains today (cf. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktoria-Kaserne_(Hamburg)), and I don't think there is a wall like this nowadays. By the way, there also was a "Viktoria-Kaserne" (barracks) in Stettin/Szczecin (cf. http://sedina.home.pl/galeria/displayimage.php?album=1749&pid=31714).
by Gudula Suskin G2G6 Mach 1 (14.8k points)
Thank you Gudula

I will certainly follow up on the leads you provided. I'm sure such a distinctive wall was photographed by others. Having said that, my own photo was hidden away in our family archive all these years and wasn't open to public view until I scanned the image and posted it on WikiTree. It's very satisfying to release something like this back into the wild.

Steve
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I guess, the Germans usually used the word "Sieg" and not "Viktoria" or "Victoria".   If the wall does not belong to one of the Barracks mentioned in the other responses, it may belong to a stadium ? I recall at least "Viktoria Hamburg" and "Viktoria Köln" as football clubs of the "old days".   Good luck wrt further research ...
by Dirk Solterbeck G2G1 (1.8k points)
Interesting thought Dirk.

That's certainly a direction I should also investigate.

When I uncover the mystery I promise to reveal my findings here.

Steve

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