How to search for one haplogroup?

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I saw this question was asked way back in 2019, but maybe I'm misunderstanding or have missed the answer. i.e. Is there now a way to seach for people with a single haplogroup? To find people that may not be related by name, but may be related genetically? For example, my own haplogroups.

Paternal R-S221

Maternal T1a
in WikiTree Help by Keith Macdonald G2G6 Mach 1 (12.2k points)
recategorized by Ellen Smith

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Keith, I saw your recent comment about your WikiTree+ query for:

https://plus.wikitree.com/default.htm?report=srch1&Query=R-S221&MaxProfiles=500&Format=

I don't think you did anything wrong with the search. However, I don't believe that query is actually searching for a haplogroup entered in conjunction with a DNA test. Rather, it's a text search and most of what it's returning has been entered as a Category on the profile or in text, including source citations, in the biography box. Two examples that are returned from the "I-M223" search:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Polk-1876: the profile has an assigned Category of "Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223," but the haplogroup shown in conjunction with the DNA test taken is "BY193625," a deep subclade of I-M223.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kenneally-196: this profile is returned by the query only because of this this citation #25: "'United States Census, 1910', database with images, (FamilySearch Record: M223-X35..."

The Help page for WikiTree+ indicates that there should be a way to perform the search you need (see the index entry for DNA), but none of the various combinations I've tried result in accurate output.

If you add the "data_doctors" tag to your question you'll be more likely to catch the eye of Aleš--the ultimate authority--or at least someone much more fluent in WikiTree+ queries than I am.

A final note is that any search for yDNA haplogroups may prove to be only nominally useful for you...even if the results returned are 100% accurate. The main issue is the size of the yDNA haplotree. You can find a little background on the subject in this G2G post from 10 days ago.

Your basal R haplogroup currently makes up 47.7% of all 76,932 branches, or subclades, in the haplotree. The most common haplogroup, SNP M269 (R1b1a1b in the older style naming convention), sits 7 branches down from the top, R-M207. People who have taken a Big Y test or had their whole genome sequencing results analyzed by a company like YFull will enter their deepest-known SNP designation into WikiTree, and that could be an additional 20 branches, or more, farther down. The complexity means that two test-takers could have consistent haplogroups, but if they are entered into WikiTree as a valid subclade, but one higher or lower than yours, a literal query for your haplogroup wouldn't find them.

The other difficulty you face is that the SNP Living DNA reported for your yDNA haplogroup is not one that Family Tree DNA--still the 800-pound gorilla in yDNA testing--catalogs in its haplotree. So even if the WikiTree+ query works as expected, you'd have a very small chance that someone had entered S221 in the DNA test results panel: a query for that SNP would be unlikely to be well-represented in the search results; Living DNA has the smallest database of the five largest (by test volume) DNA testing companies.

Doing a little quick research, SNP S221 would be, under the GRCh38 assembly that is universally used for yDNA data, position number 8,849,155 on the chromosome. If you're interested, at the dbSNP database of the National Center for Biotechnology Information, it's cataloged under the rsID of rs767265794.

At FTDNA, that position on the chromosome is represented by R-Z284 (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/R;name=R-Z284). That is an R1a rather than an R1b subclade; in the older naming convention it would be R1a1a1b1a3a. It's 11 branches deep in the basal R clade and currently has another 1,374 branches under it.

Probably the most likely higher subclade you'll see reported from FTDNA's standard STR tests (short tandem repeat; the 37-, 67-, and 111-marker tests that can be purchased less expensively than the Big Y) is going to be R-M417. In the older naming convention, that's R1a1a1.

But your "terminal" haplogroup will fall under one of four main subbranches of R-Z284: these are designated by the SNPs YP556, S4458, YP1370, and Z288, with S4458 having the lion's share of the deeper branches, 903 of them.

Good luck in the research! laugh

by Edison Williams G2G6 Pilot (446k points)
selected by Keith Macdonald
Many thanks for the best-answer star, Keith. I provided what I think was some useful background info, but I still wasn't able to answer your specific question. Do try editing your Question and adding the data_doctors tag to it. I believe that'll help.

Hello Edison, you deserve the best-answer star (from me) because it's been a lightbulb moment - your name Edison is highly appropriateenlightened I'd been confused and bemused for days, I had not understood that different DNA testing firms use different terminology, or different DNA coding schemas. No wonder it's difficult to compare test results from different firms. smiley

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The man who was first born with SNP R-S221 (aka R-Z284) was born about in about 2186 CE. There are dozens of downstream haplogroups discovered by Big Y testing. The people who have those Big Y tests will list their recent haplogroup IF they are on WikiTree.  See: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-Z284/tree

by Russ Carter G2G4 (4.8k points)
Russ, thanks for the quick response and that link to the FamilyTree for R-Z284.

Please excuse my ignorance, how do you find the alias? (aka R-Z284)

Sadly I'm still not understanding how to search haplogroups (or those haplotypes as shown on FamilyTree) here inside WikiTree.
When I entered the haplogroup you gave into the Discover Tool, it translated it to the name used by FTDNA.

It appears that WikiTree+ has a way to search for haplogroups, but I've never used it. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:WikiTree_Plus#What_is_WikiTree.2B.3F
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In WikiTree Plus (the text search section)

Y-DNA haplogroup I-M223   returns 32.

Y-DNA haplogroup R-Z284   returns 0

Y-DNA haplogroup  R-S284   returns 0

I had difficulty understanding the precise terms and not sure if mtDNA is correct terminology.

mtDNA haplogroup T1a   returns 0

See prevous g2g post on this topic.

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1689357/will-wikitree-ever-add-a-search-by-haplogroup-feature
by NG Hill G2G6 Mach 8 (86.0k points)

I've tried WikiTreePlus. First I used the example from Andrew Millard.

https://plus.wikitree.com/default.htm?report=srch1&Query=I-M223&MaxProfiles=500&Format=

That works, 56 profiles.

Then I changed the search text to my haplogroup R-S221, and clicked "Get profiles". As expected, the URL changes to this:

https://plus.wikitree.com/default.htm?report=srch1&Query=R-S221&MaxProfiles=500&Format=

But : Search text not found "R-S221".

What am I doing wrong?

Could it be that no one has entered that haplogroup in any biographies as yet.   

I did try to search S221 and Z221 and only found source reference numbers, no haplogroups.

(Genral search hint: when search engines do not handle apostrophe's I use this method to look for "arcy" rather than "D'Arcy")

I think the query might be supposed to be https://plus.wikitree.com/default.htm?report=srch1&Query=DNA%3DR-S221&MaxProfiles=500&Format=, as that seems to give sensible-looking results.

However when I tried it with R-Z284, https://plus.wikitree.com/default.htm?report=srch1&Query=DNA%3DR-Z284&MaxProfiles=5000&Format=&PageSize=100 gives partly sensible results but also some that are clearly wrong, as they do not have a Y-DNA haplogroup on the profile at all.

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