Connection Combat: Bacharach vs Bernstein

Question

This week's theme is 1960s musicians. Are you closer to pop composer Burt Bacharach or classical genius Leonard Bernstein? Who here has the closest connection to one of them that can be verified?

Here's how the game is played:

1. Check your connection to Burt Bacharach and Leonard Bernstein (click "Connection to Me" in each profile pull-down menu).
2. Click "Answer this post" below. Choose Team Bacharach or Team Bernstein: say if you're closer to Bacharach or Bernstein, and how many degrees are in your connection path.
3. See if every relationship along the connection path is verified with a reliable source. For example, is there a record that says this person is the mother of that person? If there is no source for a connection, research to find one. 
4. Post a Comment below your answer here as soon as you're done.
5. The player with the closest verified connection wins!
   The team with the winning player gets bragging rights.

There are more ways to win. You can win by being the first to verify your connection is free of "WikiTree Weevils" ... the player with the longest Weevil-free path ... or the player who helps the most other players. 

The Combat runs from January 15-January 22. Winners will be announced on January 24. Every winner gets a badge and will be immortalized in the Connection Combat Hall of Fame. Every player gets a snazzy sticker for their profile.

Do you want to help others? We call this "combat" just for fun. It's really more about collaboration than competition. We help each other in this community.

If you need any help finding a source to verify a family connection, or have any questions or problems, click over to the Team Bacharach Aid Station or Team Bernstein Aid Station. You could also chat live on Discord. See the Connection Combat help page for more information.

Are you in?

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Winners for Bacharach vs Bernstein:

Tie for shortest with 15 degrees (both Team Bernstein)

Molly Reppen and Emma MacBeath

Fastest (Team Bernstein)

Erin Breen

Longest at 29 degrees (Team Bernstein)

Feargal Hennigan

Comments

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Answer 1

Winners (tie): Molly Reppen and Emma MacBeath (15) for Team Berstein

• Longest Verified Connection: Feargal Hennigan (29) (Bernstein)
• Fastest Verified Connection: Erin Breen (21) (Bernstein)

Answer 2

I'm 23 degrees from Bernstein and only 21 degrees from Bacharach. However, I'm a huge fan so I have to go with Team Bernstein on this one!

Answer 3

I'm 25 from Bacharach, and 22 from Bernstein. Let's go!

Comments

Yesss!!!

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Be sure to come back and tell us how many you were able to verify!

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I'm actually 21 degrees from Leonard Bernstein, and I was able to verify every step!

0. Leonard Bernstein →
1. Felicia Montealegre (his wife) →
2. Roy Cohn (her father)→
3. Laura Cohn (his sister)→
4. Lester Young (her husband)→
5. Joseph Young (his father)→
6. Brigham Young (his father)→
7. Phineas Young (his brother)→
8. Phoebe Young (his daughter)→
9. Celestia Pack (her daughter)→
10. David VanWagoner (her husband)→
11. Clarissa VanWagoner (his sister)→
12. James T Pyper (her husband)→
13. Walter Pyper (his brother)→
14. Annie Irving (his wife)→
15. Robert Irving (her father)→
16. Agnes Irving (his sister)→
17. Cassie Dunn (her daughter)→
18. Illa Lloyd (her daughter)→
19. Private
20. Private
21. Erin Breen
     

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My connection also goes through Brigham Young! Mine goes through one of his 55 wives.

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Same!

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My connection to Bernstein is also through Brigham Young - via one of his son's descendants, http://Young-101.

Maggie N is 19 degrees from Leonard Bernstein

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I decided to give Team Bacharach a go, too, and whew! I kept hitting dead ends. But, I eventually blazed a weevil-free path to him. It's 42 steps 

0. Burt Bacharach→
1. Irma Freeman (his mother)→
2. Julia Freeman (her sister)→
3. Sherman Bloch (her husband)→
4. Benjamin בלאך (his father)→
5. Simon Levi בלאך (his brother)→
6. Arthur Bloch (his son)→
7. Julia Prince (his wife)→
8. Hyman Prince (her father)→
9. Anna Prince (his sister)→
10. Fannie Migel (her daughter)→
11. Meyer קרולעװיץ (her husband)→
12. Harris קרולעװיץ (his brother)→
13. Essie Krulewich (his daughter)→
14. Hyman Davidson (her husband)→
15. Rachel Davidson (his sister)→
16. Louis Davidson (her husband)→
17. Saul Davidson (his brother)→
18. Mary Cohen (his wife)→
19. Anna Cohen (her sister)→
20. Samuel Fleischman (her son)→
21. Lois Fleischman (his daughter)→
22. Keith Clarke (her husband)→
23. Mary Bradshaw (his mother)→
24. Emma Briggs (her mother)→
25. Joseph Briggs (her brother)→
26. Archie Briggs (his son)→
27. Gladys Lindsay (his wife)→
28. James Lindsay (her father)→
29. William Lindsay (his brother)→
30. Sarah Murdoch (his wife)→
31. Ann Murdoch (her sister)→
32. Sarah Giles (her daughter)→
33. George Pyper (her husband)→
34. Walter Pyper (his brother)→
35. Annie Irving (his wife)→
36. Robert Irving (her father)→
37. Agnes Irving (his sister)→
38. Cassie Dunn (her daughter)→
39. Illa Lloyd (her daughter)→
40. Private →
41. Private →
42. Erin Breen

Answer 4

20 degrees from Bert and 21 degrees from Leonard.  I am surprised; I would not have thought that I would be that close to either,

Comments

Nice! Be sure to come back and tell us how many you were able to verify if you are competing in the combat. :-)

Answer 5

Edited: 18 from Leonard! I prefer his music over Burt's so works for me.

0.Leonard Bernstein

01.→Felicia Montealegre

02.→Roy Cohn

03.→Laura Cohn

04.→Lester Young

05.→Joseph Young

06.→Brigham Young

07.→Fanny Young

08.→Joseph Smith

09.→Katherine Smith

10.→Lucy Salisbury

11.→Jack Duke

12.→Moroni Duke

13.→Herald Duke

14.→Jack Duke

15.Pam Duke

16.Matthew Newberry

17.Andrea Brown

18. Abby Glann

Comments

Be sure to come back and tell us how many you were able to verify!

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Abby, I have the same Silence Potter and her father Joseph Potter connection and I think they have the wrong Joseph as her father. I am working on it now.

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Correction has been made. Check again as my connection changed after correcting the tree.

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Abby, you actually got closer at 18 degrees from Bernstein! You also go through Brigham Young and Joseph Smith in your new line. I go through Brigham Young and one of his 55 wives now instead of the original Silence Potter line.

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That's awesome; thanks, Shonda!

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The whole line is verified.

Answer 6

Well, I'm 42 degrees from both of them!! I'll try to verify some profiles :)

Comments

Cool! You could possibly when for the longest verified! Be sure to come back and let us know how many you were able to complete. :-)

Answer 7

Team Bacharach

Burt Bacharach is 20 degrees from me.

Leonard Bernstein is 23 degrees from me.

Comments

Nice! Be sure to come back and tell us how many you were able to verify if you are competing in the combat. :-)

Answer 8

I'm 24 degrees from Bernstein and 26 degrees from Bacharach.

Let's go Team Bernstein!

Answer 9

They are both 19 degrees from me.

Time to get started.

Comments

Me too

Answer 10

I will go with Team Bacharach, he is 20 degrees, Bernstein is 22 degrees.

Comments

I finished my 20 for Burt Bacharach.  Hooray! I will post names tomorrow, it's really late :)

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My line is:

1. Burt Bacharach-18
2. Angie Brown-55801
3. Reka Hehr-43
4. Walter Morgan Williams-124154
5. William Walter Williams -124098
6. Nancy Matilda Bennett-32338
7. Ellender Bookout-343
8. Joseph Bookout-320
9. Delila Jane Bookout-319
10. William Jasper Boyd-10758
11. Daniel Boone Boyd-10789
12. John Sherman Boyd-19192
13. Lillian May MacLachlan-306
14. William A MacLachlan-301
15. Angus McLachlan-1431
16. Alexander McLachlin-148
17. Aggie Finch-7511
18. Alfred Finch-7414
19. Clarence Finch-7413
20. Wally Finch-7412
21. Myself Finch-7411

Answer 11

I am 24 degrees from Bacharach and 19 degrees from Bernstein

Answer 12

Team Bacharach

I'm 18 Degrees from Bacharach and 19 Degrees from Bernstein

Burt Bacharach, Angie Brown, Reka Hehr (her mother), Walt Williams (her husband), William Williams (his father),Nancy Bennett (his mother), Ellender Bookout (her mother), John Bookout (her father), Charles Bookout (his father), Joseph Bookout (his father), John Henry Bookout (his brother), Nancy Bookout (his daughter), Thomas Hinshaw (her son), Mary Robins (his wife), John Robins (her brother), Isaac Robins (his son), Wesley Robins (his son), Father and Self

Answer 13

I'm closer to Bernstein (20 degrees) by 1 degree through my Quaker ancestors.  Bacharach was 21 degrees.

Answer 14

Count me in for Team Bernstein!

Comments

0. Leonard Bernstein ✔
1. his wife, Felicia Montealegre ✔
2. her father, Roy Cohn ✔
3. his sister, Laura Cohn ✔
4. her husband, Lester Young ✔
5. his father, Joseph Young ✔
6. his mother, Mary Angell ✔
7. her brother, Truman Angell ✔
8. his daughter, Sarah Angell ✔
9. her son, Race Johnson ✔
10. his brother, William Johnson ✔
11. his wife, Katie Wickham ✔
12. her father, John Wickham ✔
13. his brother, William Wickham ✔
14. his wife, Ann Mepham ✔
15. her brother, William Mepham ✔
16. his daughter, Elizabeth Mepham ✔

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17. her daughter, Hannah Russell ✔
18. her husband, Edward Bull ✔
19. his brother, Edmund Bull ✔
20. his daughter, Yvonne Bull ✔
21. her husband, William Colelough ✔
22. his father, James Colclough ✔
23. his father, William Colclough ✔
24. his brother, John Colclough ✔
25. his son, John Colclough ✔
26. his daughter, Patricia Colclough ✔
27. her daughter, Living ✔
28. her daughter, Living ✔
29. her son, Feargal Hennigan ✔

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Oooh, under 30 by the skin of my teeth; done @ 29 degrees.

Answer 15

I'm 32 degrees from Leonard Bernstein and 38 degrees from Burt Bacharach but I will detach the profile of Anne Barcroft-19 in 25 degrees from Bacharach as an unverified family and unsourced profile. So I will start work on Team Bernstein.

0. Leonard Bernstein. Added sources for marriage. 

1. Felicia Montealegre (his wife). Updated sources for birth and marriages. Bio Improvement. Should LNAB be changed to Cohn per her birth record and marriage record? 

2. Roy Cohn (her father). Added source for his children. 

3. Effie Case (his mother). Added sources for her children. Bio Imprvement. 

4. Elijah Case (her father). Added sources for his children. Bio Improvement. 

5. Experience Case (his sister). Uncertain Family and unsourced. 

6. Eleazer Fairchild (her husband). Uncertain about his first wife, Experience Case is looking for a marriage source. 

7. Deborah Leach (his mother). Updated source for her marriage.  Added sources for her children. Changed her birthdate to 1765 from 1750. 

8. Deborah Wanzer (her mother). Added sources for her marriage and children. 

9. Abraham Wanshaer (her father). Bio Improvement. Added source for his will. 

10. Abigail Husted (his wife). Updated source for marriage. Added sources for her children. Her birth date had changed to 1700 from 1695. Added source for her husband's will.

She had been detached from her brother David Husted-25. 

11. David Husted (her brother). Bio Improvement. Added sources for his children. Look for a source that confirms his sister Abigail Husted.  His birth date had changed to 1697 from 1685. Category for estimated birthdate.  He had been detached from his sister, Abigail Husted-41. 

12. Johanna Brundage (his wife). I'll leave it because of the Project Protected Profile. 

13. Ruth Brundage (her sister). Her birth date had changed to 1668 from 1660. Category.  Added her children's sources. Look for a source that confirms her sister Johanna Brundage. 

14. Richard Scofield (her husband). Bio Improvement.  Added sources for his children. Categories.

15. Richard Scofield (his father). Should LNAB be changed to Scolfeeld? 

16. Effan Northend (his mother). Added sources for her children. 

17. Martha Northend (her sister). Added sources for her children.  Added her first husband, Edward Whytakers-1 profile. 

18. William Drake (her husband). Added his children's sources. 

19. Grace Brodley (his wife). Added her children's sources. 

20. Sibbell Brodley (her sister). Added her children's sources. 

21. Sibbell Waterhouse (her daughter). Added her children's sources. 

22. Martha Brooke (her daughter). Country Sticker and Categories. Updated sources for baptism, marriage and Burial.  

23. Richard Pollard (her son). Country Sticker and Category. Bio Improvement. 

24. Martha Pollard (his daughter). Country Sticker and Categories. Updated sources for Marriage Licence. 

25. Richard Holdroyd (her son). Country Sticker and Categories.  Updated sources for Baptism, Marriage and Burial. 

26. Isaac Holdroyd (his son). Country Sticker and Categories.  Updated sources for Baptism, Marriage and Burial. 

27. Sarah Howroyd (his daughter). Country Sticker and Categories.  Updated sources for Baptism, Marriage, Death and Burial. 

28. Ellen Taylor (her daughter). Country Sticker and Categories.  Updated sources for birth, Baptism, Marriage and death. 

29. Joshua Brooke (her son). Country Sticker and Categories.  Updated sources for Birth, Marriage and Death.

30. Edith Brooke (his daughter). Country Sticker and Categories.  Updated sources for Birth, Baptism, Marriage and Death. 

31. My mum. Country Sticker and Categories.  Updated sources for Baptism, Marriage and Death.

32. Me. (done)

10. Abigail Husted (his wife).

10a. John Husted (her father). Bio Improvement, Category. 

10b. Joseph Husted (his brother). Bio Improvement, Category. 

11. David Husted (his son)

Done! 34 degrees all tidied up, sourced, and looking pretty good as I struggle to find US record sources while I have something new to learn.  Paths were clear and verified at either end except in step 5. Experience Case which is unverified and in step 12. Johanna Brundage too.

Answer 16

Oh cool! Both Bacharach and Bernstein both connect to me through my 95 year old great uncle, would be fun to tell him about if I can verify them! 26 for Bacharach and 23 for Bernstein, will start on the "short" connection.

Answer 17

20 degrees from Leonard Bernstein for me.

Comments

0. Leonard Bernstein-247√
1. Felicia Montealegre-4√
2. Roy Cohn-381√
3. Laura Cohn-868√
4. Lester Young-63011√
5. Joseph Young-101√
6. Brigham Young-93√
7. Margaret Pierce-22√
8.Robert Pierce-23√
9. Hetty Pierce-3726√
10. Lemuel Mallory-102√
11. Huldah Keeler Mallory-571√
12. Anne Seaman-3051√
13. Archelaus Doran-2278√
14. Alexander Doran-1047√
15. Ruth Silverthorn-710√
16. James Silverthorn-658√
17. Ben Silverthorn-660√
18.Cliff Silverthorn-654√
19. private√
20. David Carlson-1933√

Answer 18

Team Bernstein!! I originally was 18 degrees - but found an incorrect connection in the path. After correcting the connection, it took me through a different path and I gained one degree. All profiles have been cleaned up, sources added and verified. This new line takes me through Brigham Young and one of his 55 wives. Here is my path at 19 degrees:

0. Leondard Bernstein →
1. Felicia Montealegre (his wife) →
2. Roy Cohn (her father) →
3. Laura Cohn (his sister) →
4. Lester Young (her husband) →
5. Joseph Young (his father) →
6. Brigham Young (his father) →
7. Abigail Marks (his wife) →
8. Miriam Unknown (her mother) →
9. Silas Bailey (her husband) →
10. Amey Stillman (his wife) →
11. Mary Maxson (her mother) →
12. Ephraim Maxson (her brother) →
13. Jesse Maxson (his son) →
14. Charity Maxson (his daughter) →
15. Barbara Weaver (her daughter) →
16. George Roth (her son) →
17. Lillian Carol Roth (his daughter) →
18. Larry Sayers-Howell (her son) →
19. Shonda Sayers-Howell (his daughter) 

Answer 19

I am 23 degrees from Bernstein and 27 degrees from Bacharach.

Answer 20

I am 23° from Burt Bacharach through my mother and 21° from Leonard Bernstein through my dad. Not sure yet which line I will look into.