An important problem: Unsourced images from publications!

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The WikiTree Computer suggests that I write the following or something like it: 

I wanted to share this family photo of John Lewis with the community. Location: Prince George County Maryland. Date: 5 Mar 1710.

But here is what I really want to say!

The Computer -- and those who first programmed it -- imagine that people would use the "image" feature to upload a photograph of people -- certainly a reasonable expectation on a genealogy site.

Instead, however, it has been used extensively by people who believe "if it's in print it must be true" to upload scans of pages from books.  

WikiTree is already sensitive about copyright, which also applies to photos of people, so it wants to know whether you took the picture yourself or whether you have permission from the photographer.  But there is no place -- except in the comments -- to enter the actual source of a printed page.  That makes it an afterthought and often nobody has thought to do it.  So one can't tell where it came from.  

Many photos of pages are problematic and shouldn't be attached to any profile.  But in this case, it's a page from a decently sourced typed thousand-page publication which may contain other useful information.  

In addition, the page is green privacy protected, but unlike a profile, contains no indication of its manager, so if the missing information about its provenance can be obtained, the data is not easily amended.

I would recommend that WikiTree put this matter on its priority list of technical issues to resolve.  I imagine it would be considered too radical a request, but I wish the image loading feature could be temporarily disabled until this issue is fixed!
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Click here for the image details page or here for the full-sized version (1656 x 2184).

WikiTree profile: John Lewis
in Genealogy Help by Jack Day G2G6 Pilot (465k points)
retagged by Jack Day

2 Answers

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When you upload an image at the bottom of the page there is a check box for image type photo or source. 

Checking source not image would be a start. 

Sometimes I have entered in the "where did this come from section" screen shot of, or image of a document created this date by me. 

Though you are right a source that says where the information was originally found would be an improvement.

by M Ross G2G6 Pilot (745k points)
I did notice that, and the person who uploaded it checked "photo", I'm sure because they'd taken a photo of the page!

So yes, "source" would be proper, but it obviously doesn't always communicate.  Perhaps "page from book" would communicate better.  And then a screen with separate lines for author, title, publisher, date, and page!  And THEN -- if this book is copyright, do you have permission to post it?
I have no idea if any of this is useful.

IGI; https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:MTR7-WTL

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:33VV-WGV

Plus other Pedigree Research Files on Family Search.

I did a google search of the first few lines of the text and got almost nothing. Plus a google image search of the photo of the book page and got nothing, but it's just a printed page with nothing unique to search for.

the image was uploaded . I think that the option to say the image was a source was programmed in later.

+12 votes
I'm going to disagree with the premise of your question about "those who programmed it". An image can be an image of anything. It is still an image.

When you upload an image, it says "Say where you got this image, e.g. if you took the photo, if it was scanned from a family collection, etc. This is required. If you found the image on another website, explain why it is not copyrighted or how you obtained permission (images on Find A Grave and most other websites are copyrighted)" and provides a text box to enter your answer to the question. I don't know how to be much clearer than that.

It appears on the page when you view it as a comment.  You click a button to upload an image. You are only allowed to upload an image, it is an image. The question above is still applicable. Of all the documentation on Wikitree, this is probably the most "clear" instruction for the entire site.

I don't know anything about this document, whether it is copyrighted, the user had permission, or whether the copyright has expired, etc.

Regarding the image upload process, WikiTree prompts users to state where they got the image from. This step is crucial to maintain accuracy.

When uploading an image, take a moment to mention its origin—whether it's from a family collection or a digitized book. This helps maintain accuracy and transparency for everyone using WikiTree.

Let's make thorough sourcing a shared commitment. By doing so, we enhance WikiTree's value as a trusted resource for generations to come.
by Jimmy Honey G2G6 Pilot (162k points)

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