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Question

I don't have a FindMyPast subscription, and would like to add the text from an immigration source to Henry Charles Drinkwater profile.

Answer 1

It doesn't say a lot I'm afraid, just that he's married and adult, and his ticket was no. 35.

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This is from the transcript:

Title    MR
First name(s)    H C
Last name    Drinkwater
Gender    Male
Marital status    M
Departure day    23
Departure month    4
Departure year    1892
Departure port    Liverpool
Departure country    England
Entry struck out    N
Destination port    New York
Destination    New York
State    New York
Country    United States
Destination  place - country    USA
Destination country    United States
Ship name    Umbria
Ship official number    0
Ship registered tonnage    3699
Ship square feet    16435
Ship master's title    Capt
Ship master's last name    McKay
Number of passengers    821
Length of voyage in days    37
Ship departure port    LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port    New York
Ship destination country    USA
Record set    Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960
Category    Travel & migration
Subcategory    Passenger Lists
Collections from    Great Britain, England, United States, Americas

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Gill, thank you so much for the info.  But ...

How did he get back to England (previous record was for England-Canada with wife & kids)

His son was born 26 April 1892 while Henry was sailing the Atlantic for 37 days along with 820 others.

Thanks again.

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The previous record is for Chas H, not Henry Charles, so possibly they are different people. It's also odd that in the Chas H record he was departing from Belfast and not England. Somone in England would most likely leave from Liverpool, not cross the Irish sea to leave from Belfast. You may have a mixture of different Drinkwaters here.

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The England/Wales side needs looking at. Which record on the American side are you certain of?

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I found another passenger list on Ancestry that answers that. Thet left New York on 21 Jan 1891, arriving in Southampton, England on the 28th. Mr and Mrs HC Drinkwater arrived there as tourists. "Tourists" was actually listed as his occupation but since others on the same page were also listed with that occupation, it may have been a tour group of some kind.

https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/7479244?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22746b514e2f30416963642f445a723868474e4844797a4253667655316b35706a332b59324769336e4950633d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

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I think the Charles Drinkwater born in Bedfordshire is a false lead - it;s a long way from Shropshire/Cheshire. Unfortunately there don't seem to be many census records for either of them, but I think they are two different people.

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Charles Henry is the son of Henry Charles Drinkwater.  Henry Charles has Wales as birth place on the naturalization papers.

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The departure from Belfast, Ireland; Liverpool, England is a combo, the ship went from Ireland to England, to USA.

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Let me know if/when you need any help :)

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On your profile, you have a Charles Drinkwater born in 1855 in Bedfordshire, and  Henry Drinkwater born in Shropshire in 1855. What evidence is there that these are the same people?

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I've changed the father, Henry Charles, birth place to Wales from his naturalization record.  The son, Charles Henry, was born on the 16th Nov 1879 at 16 Mount Pleasant, Saltney (saltney is on the border of North Wales, UK, and if searched this address will come up as Flintshire, North Wales, not Chester Cheshire England) He was Baptized 18th December 1879 at St John the Baptist Church, in the parish of Chester St John, Chester, Cheshire, England.

Parents, Henry Charles and Emma, and Charles Henry, were enumerated in the 1881 census of Cheshire, England.

The same group is named in immigration records from 1892.

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You still have a census from Bedfordshire on the profile though, that is confusing. The profile probably needs tidying a bit so that others can see the thoughts on his origins and are better able to help.

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The 1861 Bedfordshire census is for possible parents (Ancestry has this as his parents); his birth year is about right, but birthplace is too far away.

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Name	H. C. Drinkwater
Age	21
Birth Year	Abt 1854
Birth Place	Ludlow, Salop
Desertion Date	14 Aug 1875
Desertion Place	Limerick
Publication Date	30 Aug 1875
Regimental Number	1604
Military Corps	Royal Artillery

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/161441:60961 Fold3 doesn't have any more than that, that i've found.

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That Potters Bar census does seem to be the right family as the 1871 census says Charles (father) is a missionary (which he is on the marriage record) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBNH-GX7

Perhaps Henry was born in Ludlow but had the birth registered in Bedfordshire? It's all very odd.

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and then there's this record:

https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/28698566/person/12088932906/media/a5cb76c6-7a35-480f-9a80-e6aa82d8f6b2?_phsrc=SXK655&_phstart=successSource

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Yes, I noticed his son had a draft registration as well. https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/7513524?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22646d52645658374b6b4b775162366a775171534a616e414c7739334b336158705a463757796e726f6755633d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

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I was thinking that if Caroline came from Shropshire, maybe she had the baby at her parents, Bitterley is right next door to Ludlow, but didn't register the birth until they were in Bedfordshire.

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And then in 1871 his parents were in Cheshire, but he wasn't on the census as he was in the army. Married in Chester, which is right next foor to Flintshire (literally just across the R. Dee), so they could have been living there and had son Charles in Wales.