Children of Sir Nicholas Poyntz (c 1393-1460)? [closed]

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On 4 Nov 2023 T Stanton wrote on Poyntz-15:

Does Richardson give the children of this Nicholas Poyntz? There appear to be quite a number not found in WT based upon the research of Sir John Maclean. In particular, I am looking for a daughter Maclean gives as ____________ Poyntz who married John Codrington (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Codrington-181). Source: Maclean, Sir John, Manor of Tockington, and the Roman Villa, Transactions of the Bristol and Gloucestershire Archaeological Society, 1887-88, Vol. 12, 123-169, https://www2.glos.ac.uk/bgas/tbgas/v012/bg012123.pdf p 151 There do not appear to be full citations for this generation of Poyntz given in the (extensive) pedigree in the cited article. Maclean gives the same information in another article. It may be read that he died before completing his work on the Codrington family.

WikiTree profile: Nicholas Poyntz
closed with the note: I am transferring the substance of this thread to a thread started a few days ago, to keep everything together.
in Genealogy Help by T Stanton G2G6 Pilot (383k points)
closed by Michael Cayley

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We have three places where we are discussing all this. This G2G thread, a question Todd posted several days ago, https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1656097/identification-of-wife-of-john-codrington-d-c-1485, and Nicholas's profile. This makes for an obvious danger of confusion and duplication of effort. Because of this, I am using my Moderator powers to close this question and copying what is here to the earlier question.

by Michael Cayley G2G6 Pilot (233k points)
selected by Susan Laursen
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Please see my answer on Nicholas Poyntz's profile, where you posted a comment asking the same question.
by Michael Cayley G2G6 Pilot (233k points)
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In the second edition of Magna Carta Ancestry that TGBAS paper is one of Richardson's citations when discussing Nicholas' daughter Alice: https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Magna_Carta_Ancestry_A_Study_in_Colonial/8JcbV309c5UC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=RA1-PA57&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22nicholas%20poyntz%22

The page for Nicholas in the second edition is not available to me on Google books, but in the first edition on archive.org he says Nicholas had:

  • With Elizabeth Mills two sons John and Humphrey
  • with Elizabeth Hussey four sons, Thomas, Maurice, Nicholas, and Henry, and four daughters, Alice (wife of Maurice Dennis), Elizabeth (nun), Margaret (wife of John Lisle), and Joan (wife of William Doddington).
Most of the sources cited are visitations, but also 
  • another piece by McLean: Hist. & Gen. Memoir of the Fam. of Poyntz (1886): 57-59, 94-97
    This does discuss some sources but they do not seem to give all the names in that pedigree, though the same pedigree is reproduced, and that is the only place that John Codrington is mentioned.
  • Bodine, Anc. of Dorothea Poyntz (1995): 21.

by Andrew Millard G2G6 Pilot (123k points)
Thank you, Andrew. I have set out what Richardson says about children in the 2nd edition of Magna Carta Ancestry - and in his slightly later Royal Ancestry - in my response to Todd's question on Nicholas's profile. As I have indicated  there, Richardson shows John Codrington marrying an unnamed daughter of Nicholas's son John.

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