Question

How do I write citations for the 1921 census images I have

Answer 1

I assume that you mean one on FindMyPast? Is your question whether to link to the transcription and image when you have paid for them? Or when you are not going to pay to view them?

Here is a profile where I bought both the image and the transcription and used WikiTree Sourcer to generate the citation from the transcription page.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pavey-341

Comments

Sorry to hijack the poster's question at hand, but out of curiosity, do you know if there is any copyright issue with uploading 1921 UK census images? I would think it's public domain, but I'm not sure about such things.

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I'm no expert but from what I have read in the past this would indeed be a copyright issue. Especially for the 1921 census since FMP has exclusive permission to publish them. Remember that WikiTree is considered a commercial site.

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Thanks.

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I have clicked on the 1921 links in Pavey-341 and the image and transcription are both blurred out, because I have not paid for them.

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Thank you that is useful. I bought and downloaded the images. I do not want to pay again for the transcriptions. So, could I transcribe the information and put a link to the FindMyPast site. I realise I cannot upload the image.

Am I correct in thinking that WikiTree Sourcer only works on transcriptions and not images?

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At one point WikiTree Sourcer could create a full citation from an FMP UK 1921 census image (and most FMP images) because the transcription was embedded in the page html as script data. FMP got wise to this though and have removed that data from the image pages.

So currently Sourcer doesn't have any option to create a citation for the FMP images. I could enhance it to treat them like Ancestry and FS images where it can create a basic citation but without the transcribed information.

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Okay, thanks. Sourcer is wonderful as it is, saves so much time for 1 finger typers like me.

I'll type in the information in the image and put a link to the FindMypast site.

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I believe that the National Archives holds a copyright on the certificates and you would have to contact them if you wanted to use upload previous census images.

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The copyright statement on the FMP image page says:

© Crown Copyright Images reproduced by courtesy of The National Archives, London, England.

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I found this Open Government Licence which explains the rules on what can be published. Third parties are in the exceptions.

Answer 2

The simplest way to name a source is to do just that. The information on the source document is not copyrighted just the image, method of presenting the information. A source is valid without an online link. What should be done with a source is to provide enough information so that someone else can find the information again to verify what you have stated about the person. It's the document and the information in it that are important, not the location of the information

There are several places where 1921 census is available at no charge, we wouldn't put National Library of Wales in Aberystwyth as the source of the information because we went there to view records at no charge, the source is the document.

I have a book that has detailed information about an ancestors settlement in Upper Canada in 1828, when I cite the source, I give the book title, date of publication and the publishers name etc. so other people can find the book in a public library, I don't say it's on the top shelf of the big bookcase in my living room.

I know that my great grandparents lived in the same house in 1921, that they lived in 1911, this is what the census record would say.

1921 Census of England and Wales, 2 Chapel St, Blakenall, Walsall, Staffordshire, England.

Then you can transcribe the information; adding page numbers or other similar information

Leonard Ross age 48, grocer and coal merchant

Sarah Ann Ross, age 46, at home

Alfred Thomas Ross, age 21, apprentice

etc, etc for the other children

Comments

Thank you for that clarification.

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You could add accessed through Find My Past pay site or The National Archives pay site so that another researcher knows where it's available.

Access to records changes all the time, FMP was the first source of the 1939 register, now it is available on Ancestry and also apparently on Family Search.

The 1921 census will most likely be available on other sites within a few years.

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Okay, thanks

Answer 3

This link from Evidence Explained gives some guidance in how to cite the UK censuses:

https://www.evidenceexplained.com/node/1638

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Thank you

Answer 4

I'm a bit late to the party, but fortunately Rob wrote the magic phrase: © Crown Copyright Images reproduced by courtesy of The National Archives, London, England.

I haven't researched British copyright law lately, but the basic rule, unless changed, was the Crown and it's assignees own the rights to the actual document and or any images or facsimiles, but they don't own the words on said document.  Therefore, if you can see the original document, you may transcribe anything on the document without impinging on on the copyright. 

Fair Use as permitted in American copyright issues is/was not recognized by Commonwealth Countries, existing or former.  Though this was being addressed the last time I researched this.