Who Came to Ireland with Montgomery and Hamilton?

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Hugh Montgomery and James Hamilton brought many from Ayrshire to Ireland (Ards area) beginning in the early 1600s. I believe that the Kinnear (sp. var.) family was among them. I'd like to prove this and also check for my other Ulster-Scots ancestral names.

My earliest documented Kinnear [[Kinneer-17|Robert_Kinneer_(abt.1764-abt.1810)]]

Does anyone know where I can find a list online?

Thanks!

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in Genealogy Help by Beth Golden G2G6 Mach 2 (27.2k points)

Regarding the Montgomery MSS:

There are at least 2 in archive.org, the "original" Montgomery journal published in 1830 and the annotated one published in 1869 which is full of super supplementary information mentioning specific people, places, etc. beyond those mentioned in the "original."

Also archive.org has the Hamilton Manuscripts as several JSTOR journal articles. At first glance they too appear to be annotated.

@[[Beck-9056|David Beck]]

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Thanks to a member at the CountyDownGenealogy Group, I now can confirm that the Kinnear family were among those coming with Montgomery/Hamilton. He sent a link to a fantastic detailed map, "The Scots in Ulster: The First Scottish Migrations to Ulster, 1606-1641, Surname Map." It's a pdf which I've downloaded. It comes from AncestryIreland/Scots In Ulster but I'm unable to find it there right now. I'd be glad to email it to others who are interested.

Happily I was also able to confirm 4 other of my ancestral surnames: Adair, Graham, Martin and Shaw

Thanks to all for viewing/responding!

by Beth Golden G2G6 Mach 2 (27.2k points)
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You're going to have to look in not normal sources for this time frame. 2 come to mind:

Registry of Deeds Index Project and Down Survey of Ireland

You may find something. with a little digging, at Space:Sources-Ireland-Province-County

by Richard Devlin G2G6 Pilot (508k points)

Thanks so much, Richard! I've checked the Down Survey Maps but without success. However I am finding Kinneer (sp. var.) at the Registry of Deeds. A source I didn't know about. Thanks! This will keep me busy :D

a note about the awesome Register of Deeds: they begin in about 1700 (although I found a 1676 record). Also from the associated Facebook page, "Update of 14 March 2022 – 480,002 index records from 50,222 memorials of deeds"!!

That being stated, so far (and I've just started) I'm finding great information for the generation after my ancestors likely came with Montgomery and Hamilton to Ireland, which fills in a gap between the early 1600s to the 1740 Protestant Householders list (on PRONI).

Thanks to all who digitize and freely share online!

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Hi - I've worked with quite a few families from the Ards, tere are several early sources -- the muster rools of the mid 1600's listed men - aged between 50 and 15 who were able to bear arms and defend the Arsa - gives first and last name - what arms they held and the parish they were from. - two rolls exist- you might find them online or at the PRONI website. Secondly 'The Hamilton Manuscript' decribes the Plantation of the Ards, several lists of names, but really only those who worked for him, interesting period piece. Also great graveyard transcription books - brilliant for the Ards Peninsula - work checking if you have a precise area. Have fun !
by David Beck G2G1 (1.5k points)

Thanks, David! I have some listings for Jam?son from the Muster Rolls sent ages ago by a friend with access to the book. Do you happen to have a copy and could do look-ups? I have downloaded and will be reading Montgomery's mss. Still pinpointing the precise area on the Ards to pursue your suggestion of cemeteries, but wonder about a gravestone still existing after 400+ years.....

Another source I had saved years ago and just found "The Scots in Ulster" by Rev. David Stewart. I have Part 1 in pdf and not many names mentioned. I'll see if I can receive Parts 2 and 3.

Another avenue for research would be on the British Archives website as well as ScotlandsPeople, ScotlandsPlaces, and others affiliated websites.

It seems odd that no one has compiled a list of those who Montgomery and Hamilton employed to settle the Ards and surrounding area, or if they have that no one knows about it... But I will persevere :D

Thanks again!

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Meant to read the Montgomery Manuscripts - book form.
by David Beck G2G1 (1.5k points)
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Beth checked the oldest graveyards in the Ards - Movilla( newtownards), Ballyhalbert and Greyabbey - there are no Kinnear gravestones - to give an example the oldest Gs for my lot is in Ballyhalbert - to a James Beck of Balligan who died 1744 age 74 years - he would be a grandson of the first of the Becks in the Ards - Adam Beck .

There are Kinnera's just across the Lough near Downpatrick - if you check a map - Downpatrick is about 15 mins drive from Portaferry, at the bottom of the Ards.

David Beck
by David Beck G2G1 (1.5k points)
Thanks for checking, David! How wonderful that James Beck's gravestone still exists!
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Not sure this will help but in Pont, Timothy. Topographical Account of the District of Cunningham, Ayrshire. Compiled About the Year 1600 with Notes and an Appendix. Glasgow, 1856. p. xxx. it says. An interesting notice of our author - truly characteristic of his enterprising
and active mind-occurs in reference to the well -known wild project of James the Sixth to exterminate the native inhabitants and owners of the northern province of Ireland, and to re-people it with emigrants from Scotland. Pursuant to this dire hallucination, a royal proclamation was issued in Scotland, dated March 28, 1609, intimating to all persons who might wish to take part in the enterprise, and who were desirous of obtaining a share of the lands, “ That they come to the Lords of his Majestie's Privy Counsale, and present their desyres and petitionis to the saidis Lordis, be quhome thay salbe acquantit with the perticulair conditionis to be per formit be thame for thair land. ” This could not fail to be highly flattering and acceptable to the donor's canny countrymen, and, accordingly, numbers hastened to partake of the tempting largesses. In the Acts of Privy Council for July, 1609, are recorded the names of such persons as “ desired to be enrolled as undertakers in the intendit plantation and distributioun of the forfeyted and escheted lands of the province of Ulster . ” These applications were for 1000, 1500, and 2000 acres respectively — the price, with caution granted, being at the rate of £100 for every five hundred acres of land."
 

by Pat McCallum G2G5 (5.9k points)

Thanks, Pat! This is a very interesting and useful piece of the puzzle. I've found several accounts of men with my maternal ancestral surnames who were granted letters of denization (land patents) in 1617 and wondered about their actual arrival in County Down. These were primarily listed in the 1869 version of the Montgomery Manuscripts [https://archive.org/details/montgomerymanusc1830mont] as notes accompanying the actual text. The author also noted with these that many had arrived much earlier perhaps as much as 10 years.

I look forward to further exploring the book you cited.

Cheers!

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There is an online version of the Muster of Raphoe, 1630 at https://www.jstor.org/stable/20085598?seq=1 .
by Mark Weinheimer G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
Thanks Mark. Super for those exploring County Donegal.

JSTOR is full of all kinds of super documents!

Cheers!

Beth

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