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George Runciman (abt. 1835 - abt. 1907)

George Runciman
Born about in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotlandmap [uncertain]
Ancestors ancestors
Son of and [uncertain]
Brother of [half], [half] and [half]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married 10 Mar 1860 in Par. of Lochgoilhead, Argyll, Scotlandmap
Descendants descendants
Father of , , , , , , , and
Died about at about age 72 in Glasgow, Dist of Dennistoun, Lanarkshire, Scotlandmap
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Contents

Biography

Name

Name: George /Runciman/ [1] [2][3]

Birth

ABT 1835
Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland[4]

Death

27 JAN 1907
Glasgow, Dist of Dennistoun, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Note: cert. shows George as 68 blacksmith journeyman marr. to Margaret WALLACE; s/o George RUNCIMAN, blacksmith & Mary m.s. McINTYRE (NB brother Malcolm's death shows his mother as McKELLAR, which marriage can be found), both dec'd; d 3:30pm of chronic bronchitis, retention of urine; usu. resid. 58 Tennant St; Inf. dtr Jane ALLAN, 8 Caledonian St, reg. 28th[5][6]

Note

Note: How many blacksmiths named George RUNCIMAN, living around Kilsyth and Glasgow, were there?
This journey started with the family of Andrew Davidson Learmount RUNCIMAN, whose daughter-in-law's 1976 letter is transcribed on the RUNCIMAN Mailing list
The main evidence for the identification of George made on these pages is the mention of an Uncle Malcolm who named his daughter Poona after where she was born (in India).
With a name Poona, Malcolm was easily identified as the son of George and Mary McKELLAR , depending on whose death certificate you believe. McKELLAR by Malcolm's, MARY McINTYRE for his brother George. Mary McIntyre : is also mentioned in son George Runciman marriage cert, as his mother. Father being George Runciman.

There is an appropriate marriage for a George and Mary McKELLAR in Glasgow.

But where did Andrew fit?
Andrew's marriage and death certificates both name his parents as George RUNCIMAN, blacksmith, and Mary maiden surname DAVIDSON.
The only immediately matching census information initially found however, was 1901, so where was he earlier?
Switching attention to tracking Mary however provided the necessary leads, once Sandra had found her marriage to a James CUNNINGHAM in 1876 - as a widow shown as DAVIDSON or RUNCIMAN, power loom weaver, X her mark.
There was Andrew, with mother Mary, and his new step father James in 1881 shown as born around 1865.
Armed with Mary's age and mother's name, she was now easily found in Kilsyth with her mother in 1841. With a few additional surprises.
The records show a family of RUNCIMAN children living with their grandmother Mary DAVIDSON (nee McDONALD) in the Parish of Kilsyth (Stirlingshire) in 1851 (Banton: John aged 2), and 1861 (High Banton:John aged 12, Mary 6, Ann 2).
Mary Snr's daughter Mary is with her in 1841 and 1851, which latter shows her as an unmarried power loom weaver born Inveresk (Musselburgh).
By 1871 son John is likely to be the engineer in West Derby, Lancashire. Daughter Mary RUNCIMAN has married an Adam MORRISON in Calton Glasgow and has a brother with her, Andrew RUNCIMAN, aged 7, born Glasgow (misindexed on both FindmyPast and ancestry as RUNCLEMORE and KNUDMORE respectively, so we can be forgiven for missing him in 1871 intiially). Ann and mother Mary yet to be found in the 1871 census.
Casting doubt on the identification of this George RUNCIMAN as the father of John, Mary, Ann and Andrew RUNCIMAN, with mother Mary DAVIDSON, is that George married Margaret WALLACE in 1860, but Andrew was born to Mary DAVIDSON in 1863.
Andrew's 1863 birth was registered in Bridgeton, Glasgow, and George & Margaret's short-lived son William's 1863 birth was registered in Springburn, so by 1863 both "families" were definitely in Glasgow rather than Kilsyth, and back in 1860, George was in Kilsyth, where Ann had been born the year before.
The only other serious candidate among RUNCIMANs of the area and timeframes known to date, is this George's father, also a blacksmith, and apparently widowed between 1845 when Malcolm was born, and 1851.
George Snr died in 1878, which isn't reflected in the 1849 John's 1879 marriage certificate, which does not show his father George as deceased, and adds to the fiction of Mary describing herself as "widow" when she married James CUNNINGHAM in 1876.
Andrew's 1892 marriage certificate did describe his father George as deceased.
Poor George Jnr! He didn't die until 1907.
Some peripheral doubts on the id are also cast by Ann's 1892 marriage cert. which gives her father as John RUNCIMAN, blacksmith (her 1940 death index shows her father as James!).
Hopefully someone with access to the Kirk Session Records for Kilsyth (John, Mary & Ann), and the appropriate part of Glasgow (Andrew) may be able to shed some light on this, given Mary's children are all recorded on FamilySearch extracted as DAVIDSON, with no father listed.
Which does appear to be a bit misleading in that John and Mary's births as recorded in the Kilsyth Parish Registers on a page of mixed dates, grouped by families, with John given a surname CAMPBELL, and Mary shown as DAVIDSON.
Andrew's 1863 birth cert. simply describes him as the illegitimate son of Mary DAVIDSON, power loom weaver, X her mark, and has a blank space for Father.
John's identity is further obfuscated in that although he married and died as RUNCIMAN, census data for 1881, 1891, and 1901 all record him as John R GRAY/GREY.
This family is determined to make life "interesting" for researchers.[7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15]

Marriage

Husband: George Runciman
Wife: Margaret Wallace
Child: George Runciman
Child: William Runciman
Child: Catherine Runciman
Child: John Runciman
Child: Mary Runciman
Child: Jane Runciman
Child: Robina Runciman
Child: George Robertson Runciman
Marriage:
Date: 09 MAR 1860
Par. of Lochgoilhead, Argyll, Scotland
Note: cert. shows George as 21, (or poss. 24) blacksmith (master) resid. ?alt?s Land, Kilsyth, s/o George RUNCIMAN, blacksmith master & Mary m.s. McINTYRE (dec'd); Margaret 21 resid. Cairndour Par. of Kilmorich, d/o William WALLACE, joiner master & Martha m.s. EWING; Wit: John LANG and ? MacIVOR;[16][17][18][19]

Census

1869

George Runciman in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: George Runciman Residence Year: 1869 Address: 14 Parliamentary road Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow Occupation: Smith Source Citation The Mitchell Library; Glasgow, Scotland; Records of Municipal and Parliamentary Electors for Glasgow and Lanarkshire (1846-1942); Reference Number: 115778

1871
Glasgow Inner High, Central Dist, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Note: RUNCIMAN: George Sr 32 jobbing blacksmith b Glasgow, Lanarkshire; wife Margaret 31 b Cairnow, AYR; Dtr Mary 1 b Glasgow[20]
1881
Glasgow Barony, Dist of St Rollox, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Note: RUNCIMAN: Geo. 38 blacksmith jobbing b Glasgow; wife Margt 35 b Glasgow; Children: Mary 11, Jane 8, both scholars, Robina 3 Geo 8 mos, all b Glasgow;[21]
1889

Name: George Runciman Residence Year: 1889 Address: 71 Parliamentary road Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow Occupation: Blacksmith Source Citation The Mitchell Library; Glasgow, Scotland; Records of Municipal and Parliamentary Electors for Glasgow and Lanarkshire (1846-1942); Reference Number: 410550

1891

George Runciman in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: George Runciman Residence Year: 1891 Address: 3 Hartfield street Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow Occupation: Smith

1891
Glasgow Barony, Dist of St Rollox, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Note: RUNCIMAN: George blacksmith b Glasgow, Lanarkshire; wife Margt 52 b Inverway, Argyllshire; Children: Jane 19 lithographess, Robina 14 scholar both b Glasgow[22]
1892

George Runciman in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: George Runciman Residence Year: 1892 Address: 3 Hartfield street Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow Occupation: Smith Source Citation The Mitchell Library; Glasgow, Scotland; Records of Municipal and Parliamentary Electors for Glasgow and Lanarkshire (1846-1942); Reference Number: C115762

1893

George Runciman in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: George Runciman Residence Year: 1893 Address: 3 Hai'tfield street Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow Occupation: Smith Source Citation The Mitchell Library; Glasgow, Scotland; Records of Municipal and Parliamentary Electors for Glasgow and Lanarkshire (1846-1942); Reference Number: C115763

1894

George Runciman in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: George Runciman Residence Year: 1894 Address: 3 Hartfield street Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow Occupation: Smith Source Citation The Mitchell Library; Glasgow, Scotland; Records of Municipal and Parliamentary Electors for Glasgow and Lanarkshire (1846-1942); Reference Number: C115764

1895

George Runciman in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: George Runciman Residence Year: 1895 Address: 3 Hartfield street Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow Occupation: Smith Source Citation The Mitchell Library; Glasgow, Scotland; Records of Municipal and Parliamentary Electors for Glasgow and Lanarkshire (1846-1942); Reference Number: C115765

1899

George Runciman in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: George Runciman Residence Year: 1899 Address: 3 Hartfield street Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow Occupation: Smith Source Citation The Mitchell Library; Glasgow, Scotland; Records of Municipal and Parliamentary Electors for Glasgow and Lanarkshire (1846-1942); Reference Number: C115770

1901
Glasgow Martyrs, Dist of St Rollox, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Note: RUNCIMAN: George 61 blacksmith b Glasgow, Lanarkshire; wife Margaret 58 b Cairndow, Argyleshire; Dtr: Robina 22 machinist b Glasgow[23]
1902

George Runciman in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: George Runciman Residence Year: 1902 Address: 58 Tennant street Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow Occupation: Blacksmith Source Citation The Mitchell Library; Glasgow, Scotland; Records of Municipal and Parliamentary Electors for Glasgow and Lanarkshire (1846-1942); Reference Number: C115776

1903

George Runciman in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: George Runciman Residence Year: 1903 Address: 58 Tennant street Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow Occupation: Blacksmith Source Citation The Mitchell Library; Glasgow, Scotland; Records of Municipal and Parliamentary Electors for Glasgow and Lanarkshire (1846-1942); Reference Number: C115779

Husband: George Runciman
Wife: Mary Davidson
Child: John Runciman
Child: Mary Runciman
Child: Ann Runciman
Child: Andrew Davidson Learmont Runciman
Marriage:
Date: EST 1853
Place:  ?Kilsyth, Stirlingshire, Scotland[24][25][26]
Husband: George Runciman
Wife: Mary McKellar
Child: George Runciman
Child: Sarah Runciman
Child: Catherine Runciman
Child: Malcolm Runciman
Marriage:
01 NOV 1834
Glasgow, Dist of Gorbals, Lanarkshire, Scotland[27][28]

Reference

Reference: 62688

Sources

  1. ↑ Source #S1: Entered by Sandra Green, Oct 31, 2012
  2. ↑ Source: #S203 Kirkintilloch, DNB Par 498 ED 4 Pg 12 Sched 36, hsehold of George RUNCIMAN, extracted Mar 2010
  3. ↑ Source: #S56 Marr. 31 Dec 1891 (reg. 1892) Andrew Davidson s/o George RUNCIMAN & Mary DAVIDSON; Margaret C H d/o George HUNTER & Jeanie Gray? HALLIDAY nee HUNTER; reg. Bothwell, Lanarkshire 625/1 #13, copy d/loaded Dec 2010
  4. ↑ Source: #S203 Kirkintilloch, DNB Par 498 ED 4 Pg 12 Sched 36, hsehold of George RUNCIMAN, extracted Mar 2010
  5. ↑ Source: #S56 Dth 27 Jan 1907 George RUNCIMAN, Dist of Dennistoun, Burgh of Glasgow, LKS 644/04 Pg 47 #140, copy d/loaded Apr 2010
  6. ↑ Source: #S3 Page: Sep 2012
  7. ↑ Source: #S3 Dec 2010, updated Sep 2012
  8. ↑ Source: #S2333 Page: Letter Nov 1976 from Rachel C RUNCIMAN nee DOHERTY, (Weensmoor Road, Glasgow) to Ros RUNCIMAN, transcr. posted to RUNCIMAN board, Mar 2001, online at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/runciman/2001-03/0985122376, extracted Dec 2010
  9. ↑ Source: #S56 Marr. 23 Sep 1892 Annie d/o John RUNCIMAN & Mary DAVIDSON; Hector Mack s/o John BLAIR & Jane CAMERON, Haggs, STI 476/02 #9, extracted Sep 2012
  10. ↑ Source: #S56 Dth 26 Oct 1926 Malcolm s/o George RUNCIMAN & Mary McKELLAR, h/o Elizabeth REYNOLDS, reg. Govan, Glasgow, Lanarkshire 644/21 #1070, copy d/loaded Sep 2012
  11. ↑ Source: #S56 Marr. 31 Dec 1891 (reg. 1892) Andrew Davidson s/o George RUNCIMAN & Mary DAVIDSON; Margaret C H d/o George HUNTER & Jeanie Gray? HALLIDAY nee HUNTER; reg. Bothwell, Lanarkshire 625/1 #13, copy d/loaded Dec 2010
  12. ↑ Source: #S56 Marr. 13 Jul 1876 Mary DAVIDSON or RUNCIMAN, d/o John DAVIDSON & Mary McDONALD; James s/o Archibald CUNNINGHAM & Agnes CRAWFORD, Pollockshaws, Par. of Eastwood, Lanarkshire, 562 #64, copy d/loaded Sep 2012
  13. ↑ Source: #S56 Marr. 6 Jan 1879 John s/o George RUNCIMAN & Mary DAVIDSON; Annie Allen d/o Robert YOUNG & Elizabeth WATSON, St Rollox, Lanarkshire, 644/06 #35, copy d/loaded Sep 2012
  14. ↑ Source: #S55 Birth 4 Apr 1849 John CAMPBELL, s/o Mary DAVIDSON, Banton, Kilsyth, STi, 483/00 0070 0323, copy d/loaded Sep 2012
  15. ↑ Source: #S56 Marr. 9 Mar 1860 George RUNCIMAN & Margaret WALLACE, Lochgoilhead Inn, ARL, 527/00 Pg 1 0001, copy d/loaded Mar 2010
  16. ↑ Source: #S212 Glasgow Barony, Dist St Rollox, Lanarkshire Reg. 644/6 ED 43 Pg 2 Sched 8 hsehold of George & Margt RUNCIMAN, extracted Mar 2010
  17. ↑ Source: #S1596 Marr. 9 Mar 1860 George RUNCIMAN & Margaret WALLACE, batch M115271 Lochgoilhead & Kilmorich, Argyll, extracted Mar 2010
  18. ↑ Source: #S56 Marr. 9 Mar 1860 George RUNCIMAN & Margaret WALLACE, Lochgoilhead Inn, ARL, 527/00 Pg 1 0001, copy d/loaded Mar 2010
  19. ↑ Source: #S56 Dth 27 Jan 1907 George RUNCIMAN, Dist of Dennistoun, Burgh of Glasgow, LKS 644/04 Pg 47 #140, copy d/loaded Apr 2010
  20. ↑ Source: #S207 Civil Par. Glasgow Inner High, Central Dist, Lanarkshire Reg. 644/1 ED 67 Pg 4 Sched 19, hsehold of George (Sr) & Margaret RUNCIMAN, extracted Apr 2010
  21. ↑ Source: #S209 Glasgow Barony, Dist St Rollox, Lanarkshire reg. 644/6 ED 36 Pg 12 Sched 52, hseholf of Geo. & Margt RUNCIMAN, extracted Apr 2010
  22. ↑ Source: #S212 Glasgow Barony, Dist St Rollox, Lanarkshire Reg. 644/6 ED 43 Pg 2 Sched 8 hsehold of George & Margt RUNCIMAN, extracted Mar 2010
  23. ↑ Source: #S214 Glasgow Martyrs, Dist St Rollox, Lanarkshire Reg. 644/6 ED 36 Pg 12 Sched 70 hsehold of George & Margaret RUNCIMAN, extracted Mar 2010
  24. ↑ Source: #S56 Marr. 31 Dec 1891 (reg. 1892) Andrew Davidson s/o George RUNCIMAN & Mary DAVIDSON; Margaret C H d/o George HUNTER & Jeanie Gray? HALLIDAY nee HUNTER; reg. Bothwell, Lanarkshire 625/1 #13, copy d/loaded Dec 2010
  25. ↑ Source: #S1599 1851 Village Of Banton, Kilsyth, Stirlingshire, hsehold of Mary DAVIDSON, extracted Sep 2012
  26. ↑ Source: #S55 Birth 1 Jan 1854 Mary d/o Mary DAVIDSON, Banton, Kilsyth, STi, 483/00 0070 0323, copy d/loaded (for brother John) Sep 2012
  27. ↑ Source: #S56 Marr. 9 Mar 1860 George RUNCIMAN & Margaret WALLACE, Lochgoilhead Inn, ARL, 527/00 Pg 1 0001, copy d/loaded Mar 2010
  28. ↑ Source: #S1597 Marr. 1 Nov 1834 George RUNSIMAN & Mary McKELLAR, reg. Gorbals, Lanarkshire, from Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910 batch M11935-6 film 1042982, extracted Sep 2012






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