Helena (Low) Kip (1723 - 1798)

I just merged the two different versions of her profile, which had slightly different (unsourced) death dates. The date of the will that you mention would bracket the date of her death. Also, both profiles showed her birth date as 5 January 1723, but the only documented date I have seen is her baptism on 9 January. Do you have any insight on the evidence for 5 January?

Abtract of Will Helena Kip, New York, widow of Henry Kip. All my just debts and funeral expenses be paid, as also �900 borrowed and expended by my two deceased sons, Henry and John, and my son James, for the improvement of my estate with the arrears of interest due thereon, to be paid by my executors within a convenient time after my decease. I discharge my children respectively and the legal representatives of such as are deceased from all debt and demands due to the estate of my husband, deceased; to Cornelius Heyer, husband of my grandaughter Jane, �1000, upon his giving them a bond and other security for the payment thereof with interest annually to be applied in such manner and to such purposes as my executors may direct; to my son James H. Kip, the dwelling house and lot of ground, situated in Pearl Street, Number 181, in the Second Ward, of New York, subject to the charge and payment by my said son James of �900 within one year after my decease to my executors; also to my son, James H. Kip. my negro woman slave, named Phyllis, now in his possession; to my daughter Catharine, wife of the Revd Doctor William Linn, all my plate, household furniture, beds, wearing apparel, also my negro slaves, Flora and Lucretia and the children of Lucretia, named Peter and Jacob until their respective ages of twenty- one, when they shall be set free; my negro woman slave, Betty, I give to such one of my children or grandchildren, as she shall choose to live with, such child paying to my executors �60 for her, which sum is to be considered part of residuary estate; the one eight part of the residuary of my estate, both real and personal to my son, James H. Kip and Lynde Catlin, husband of my grandaughter Helena, daughter of my son, John H. Kip, deceased, in trust for the maintenance and support of my granddaughter Elizabeth, daughter of my son, Cornelius Kip, deceased, until she shall have attained the age of twenty years or have lawful issue, when she shall receive the full share, the one eighth part of the residuary of my estate; to my son James H. Kip, one equal fourth part of all the remainder of my estate not herein before devised; one equal fourth part thereof to my daughter, Catharine Linn; one equal fourth part thereof to my granddaughter, Helena Catlin, wife of Lynde Catlin; the remaining equal fourth part thereof to my grandchildren, Jane Heyer, wife of Cornelius Heyer, Henry Kip, Helena Kip, Catherine Kip and Elizabeth Kip, children of my son, Peter Kip, deceased in equal parts; in case any of my grandchildren should die under age and without lawful issue, the share of the one so dying shall be equally divided among the survivors. I appoint, Cornelius Heyer, guardian and trustee, of said Henry, Helena, Catharine and Elizabeth Kip until they shall respectively attain the age of twenty years or have lawful issue; in case my granddaughter, Elizabeth Kip, daughter of my son, Cornelius Kip, deceased, shall die under the age of twenty years and without lawful issue, I devise the said one eighth part of my residuary estate herein bequeathed to her as follows: one fourth part thereof to my son, James H. Kip; one other fourth part to my daughter, Catharine Linn; one other fourth part to my granddaughter, Helena Catlin, and the remaining fourth part to the children of my son Peter, above named, in equal parts; in case my daughter, Catharine Linn or my granddaughters, Helena Catlin and Jane Heyer shall die before my decease, the bequests herein above made to them shall not lapse, but I devise to the husband of such deceased daughter or grandaughter, the share and proportion of my estate above given to the wife; the guardians of the children of my sons, Peter and Cornelius, are to support and educate them out of the income of their respective estate without the intereference of any relation of said children; in case any other person shall during the minority of said children become guardian of all or any of them without first having the consent in writing of my executors for that purpose, such child or children shall be deprived of any benfit of my said estate; for the more easy distribution of my estate I authorize my executors, at such times as they shall think proper to sell and dispose of all or any part of my estate, except the house and lot of ground devised to my son, Henry H. Kip, either at private or public auction fof the interest and benfit of my legatees and devisees. I appoint my son, James H. Kipp, my son-in-law, William Linn, Cornelius Heyer and Lynde Catlin, executors. Dated November 5, 1798. Witnesses, Jane Duryee, Anthy Dey, Richd Varick. Proved November 10, 1798. [Lib. 42, p. 429]

  Sources: Abstracts of Wills of New York 1665-1801, CD-ROM. Heritage Books, Inc., Bowie, MD: 1997. NYHSW 015:0104.

  Society of Descendants of Johannes de la Montagne. World Connect/Rootsweb.

History of the Kip Family in America By Frederic Ellsworth Kip

"New York Births and Christenings, 1640-1962", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V2HY-9B3 : 14 February 2020), Helena Low, 1723.

Name Helena Low Sex Female Christening Date 9 Jan 1723 Christening Place New York City, New York County, New York, United States Christening Place (Original) Reformed Dutch Church, New York, New York, New York, United States Father's Name Petrus Low Father's Sex Male Mother's Name Rachel Rosevelt Mother's Sex Female

I posted here a book which lists her and husband, her baptismal record which states 9, and her will which would get her death date to a ball park range. Concerning WHY people want to say her birth date is 5, I guess they 'assumed' she was born days before her baptism, or there was some old family record? I am sorry I didn't answer this definitively. The book is searchable online, and link below, but they did not give a source either. Best regards, Lilly Martin

I think you may have misunderstood my purpose in asking these questions. It was not because of any personal interest, but because of my role as a Project Leader for the New Netherland Settlers Project. The project is interested in supporting members in doing good genealogy. Also, because the project protects many, many profiles (to help stabilize LNABs, avoid mistaken merges, and avoid mistaken relationship connections in this population where names can be so problematic), a Leader often needs to be involved with merges and edits to relationship connections. The project leadership does not, however, have an interest (much less capacity) to research and document every one of the thousands of profiles that it protect or for which it is a profile manager. This is the role of individual members, whether or not they are officially project members.

I receive email notification of every profile comment on profiles with the project as a manager. I read your comment and responded -- to thank you for your research, to let you know about the merge, and to encourage you to improve the profile.