Friedemann Kiedaisch
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Friedemann Kiedaisch

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Biography

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Friedemann Kiedaisch wurde in Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland geboren.
Friedemann Kiedaisch is 97/100 Swabian.

Born 1970s.

Occupations:

  • Software-Engineer
  • Organist
Friedemann at a family party during the corona pandemic

I really like the stickers. I hope I am not overdoing it.

Research interests

Ancestors

Descendant
Descendant of Charles the Great (Charlemagne) Patricius Romanorum.
Descendant
Descendant of Kaspar Kantz. Kaspar Kantz was the reformer of the free imperial city of Nördlingen.
Descendant
Descendant of Christoph Spindler. Spindler was superintendent of the German and Slovenian Protestant Church in Laibach.
Descendant
Descendant of Johannes Vesenbeck. Vesenbeck was superintendent of the free imperial city of Ulm shortly after the Reformation.
Descendant
Descendant of Johann Rümelin. Rümelin was a physician and mathematician.
Descendant
Descendant of Georg Wölfflin. Wölfflin was a kind of martyr of the 30 Years War.

Of course I would like to complete my ancestry as far as the sources indicate. Most of my ancestors are from Württemberg and I'm already very far with the evaluation of the church registers.

Generation Number Relationship Total # of Possible Ancestors Total # of Identified Ancestors Total % of Identified Ancestors
1 Parents 2 2 100%
2 Grandparents 4 4 100%
3 Great Grandparents 8 8 100%
4 2nd Great Grandparents 16 16 100%
5 3rd Great Grandparents 32 32 100%
6 4th Great Grandparents 64 64 100%
7 5th Great Grandparents 128 128 100%
8 6th Great Grandparents 256 248 97%
9 7th Great Grandparents 512 488 95%
10 8th Great Grandparents 1024 882 86%
11 9th Great Grandparents 2048 1369 67%
12 10th Great Grandparents 4096 1741 43%


Brickwalls

But there are a few immigrants from Switzerland, Austria, Sweden and neighboring countries to the east (Silesia, Bohemia) where I still have difficulties because I have not yet found any useful sources.

Brickwall Ancestor Estimated year of birth Origin as described in source Problem
Hanß Attinger 1583 from Switzerland no hint where in Switzerland
Jerg Zaiser 1593 from Afritz in Kärnten no sources for this period
Martin Lautner 1608 Tachau in Böhmen no sources for this period
Daniel Haack 1617 Dietmannsdorf in Schlesien several possible locations; no sources for this period
Bartholomäus Daubenthaler 1624 Ruckendorf in Böhmen no sources for this period
Niclas Jonas Echenberger 1625 Jöngtingen in Sweden no such place
Hans Staudinger 1624 Amlach bei Spittal im Kärtnerland no sources for this period
Jacob Wertzel 1630 Friedland bei Oppeln no sources for this period
Michel Schön 1637 from Switzerland no hint where in Switzerland
Barthlin Rabel 1645 born in Austria no hint where in Austria
Eva Steurer 1647 from Afritz in Kärnten no sources for this period
Heinrich Stief 1650 Bern in Switzerland no suitable sources in Bern
Verena Keller 1742 from Switzerland no hint where in Switzerland


Name and Family Kiedaisch

This profile is part of the Kiedaisch Name Study.

I am interested in everyone who goes by the name Kiedaisch. All lines that I have examined so far can be connected to my family tree and go back to the oldest known Kiedaisch in Weilheim / Teck. But there are many emigrants to the USA, and I probably don't know all of them yet. Since the name Kiedaisch seems to be difficult, some of them have been renamed to Keydash and the like.

Notables

Friedemann Kiedaisch is related to US President Barack Obama. Here is the trail.

I research ancestral communities with notable personalities. Naturally, these are mainly Germans and especially Swabian people, but there are a few exotic (from my European point of view), e.g. Barack Obama.

(Ah! Now there are new stickers for these relationships. But I don't want to rebuild the table:)

Related Notable Famous for Relationship Degree
Johann Rümelin Physician, plague doctor and mathematician 10th great grandfather12 trail
Kaspar Kantz Reformer of Nördlingen 11th great grandfather13 trail
Johannes Vesenbeck Superintendent in Ulm 11th great grandfather13 trail
Christoph Spindler Co-translator of the Slovenian Bible 12th great grandfather14 trail
Friedrich Silcher Music pedagogue and composer 3rd cousin six times removed14trail
Ludwig Hofacker Preacher of pietism 4th cousin five times removed15 trail
Israel Canz Professor of theology 3rd cousin eight times removed16 trail
Ottmar Mergenthaler Inventor of the Linotype typesetting machine 5th cousin four times removed16 trail
Richard von Weizsäcker 6th Bundespräsident of the Bundesrepublik Deutschland 7th cousin once removed17 trail
Friedrich Hölderlin Poet 5th cousin five times removed17 trail
Max Frisch Writer 6th cousin three times removed17 trail
Eberhard von Hofacker General in World War I 6th cousin three times removed17 trail
Friedrich Theodor Vischer Aesthetics Philosopher 5th cousin five times removed17 trail
Caesar von Hofacker Resistance fighter in World War II 7th cousin twice removed18 trail
Philipp Matthäus Hahn Pastor, astronomer and inventor 5th cousin six times removed18 trail
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel Philosopher 6th cousin four times removed18 trail
Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph von Schelling Philosopher 5th cousin six times removed18 trail
Johannes Kepler Astronomer 3rd cousin eleven times removed19 trail
Wilhelmine Canz Founder of the Großheppach Sisterhood 6th cousin five times removed19 trail
Gustav Schwab Poet 6th cousin five times removed19 trail
Georg Steller Explorer and zoologist 5th cousin seven times removed19 trail
Hermann Eidenbenz Graphic artist 7th cousin three times removed19 trail
Friedrich Schiller Poet 5th cousin eight times removed20 trail
Helmut Schmidt 5th Bundeskanzler of the Bundesrepublik Deutschland 9th cousin20 trail
Hermann Hesse Writer 7th cousin four times removed20 trail
Daniel Schubart Journalist 5th cousin eight times removed20 trail
Henri de Laborde de Monpezat Prince of Denmark 9th cousin20 trail
Justus von Liebig Chemist 7th cousin five times removed21trail
Erwin Rommel Field marshal in World War II 9th cousin once removed21 trail
Gerhard Schröder 7th Bundeskanzler of the Bundesrepublik Deutschland 9th cousin once removed21 trail
Ludwig Uhland Poet 6th cousin seven times removed21 trail
Samuel Gottlieb Gmelin Natural scientist 6th cousin seven times removed21 trail
Dietrich Bonhoeffer Theologian in the resistance against National Socialism 8th cousin four times removed22trail
Justinus Kerner Poet 7th cousin six times removed22 trail
David Friedrich Strauß Theologian 8th cousin four times removed22 trail
Heinz Guderian General in World War II 9th cousin twice removed22 trail
Gottlieb Daimler Automobile pioneer 8th cousin four times removed22 trail
Wilhelm Maybach Automobile pioneer 9th cousin twice removed22 trail
Theodor Heuss 1st Bundespräsident of the Bundesrepublik Deutschland 10th cousin once removed23 trail
Elly Heuss-Knapp 1st First Lady of the Bundesrepublik Deutschland 8th cousin five times removed23 trail
Theophil Wurm Evangelical Bishop of Württemberg 8th cousin five times removed23 trail
Alfried Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach Large industrial 10th cousin once removed23 trail
Karl Schmidlin Poet 8th cousin five times removed23 trail
Wilhelm Waiblinger Poet 8th cousin five times removed23 trail
Max Planck Physicist 9th cousin four times removed24 trail
Max Eyth Engineer and author 10th cousin three times removed25 trail
Grace Kelly Princess of Monaco 11th cousin twice removed26 trail
Barack Obama 44th President of the USA 14th cousin once removed31 trail

Of course there are also relatives that one is not so proud of:

Related Notable Famous for Relationship Degree
Georg Leibbrandt Nazi bureaucrat 5th cousin twice removed14trail
Christian Mergenthaler Nazi Ministerpräsident of Württemberg 6th cousin three times removed17trail
Theodor Bauder Nazi bureaucrat 7th cousin twice removed18trail


Organ builders and church musicians

Genealogy isn't my only hobby. And I find it exciting when I can establish cross-references between different subject areas. Since I also play the organ, it is very interesting to me to see which organ builders and composers I am related to. Then I can play music composed by a relative on an instrument that was built by a relative. Some of them are only known locally and do not meet the "notable" criterion:

Related Notable Famous for Relationship Degree
Ernst Mühleisen Organ builder 1st cousin twice removed6trail
Andreas Barner Organist and composer 1st cousin four times removed8trail
Johann Heinrich Schäfer Organ builder 4th cousin four times removed14trail
Johann Viktor Gruol sen. Organ builder 4th cousin seven times removed17trail
Johann Andreas Goll Organ builder 4th cousin eight times removed18trail
Jakob Friedrich Goll Organ builder 6th cousin five times removed19trail
Johann Georg Frech Organist and composer 5th cousin seven times removed19trail
Charles Frederick Durner Organ builder 7th cousin five times removed21trail


DNA Research

I've done DNA tests at various companies and follow my matches on all major platforms. Unfortunately, this tool is not yet widely used in Germany, so I have only had a few closely related matches so far. I would be very interested to know if there are any male Kiedaisch who have taken a Y-DNA test.

  • Maternal relationship is confirmed by a MyHeritageDNA test match between Friedemann Kiedaisch and his 1st cousin twice removed RM. Their most-recent common ancestor is Karl Christian Wohlfarth, the 2nd great grandfather of Friedemann Kiedaisch and the grandfather of RM. He was married twice. The two women are not a common ancestor. Predicted relationship from MyHeritage: 1st cousin twice removed to 2nd cousin once removed, based on sharing 219.5 cM across 7 segments.

Pedigree collapse (Implex)

Descendant
Descendant of Conrad Barner. He was the first protestant pastor in Owen/Teck. He is my ancestor 12 times.

Most of my ancestors were not very mobile and married locally or in the immediate vicinity. Relatives marriages regularly occurred. I am descended from some of my ancestors on 14 different trails. I am interested in the statistical and mathematical effects on inheritance that such multiple ancestors have. But also the practical question of how to present something like this clearly.

Generation Number Relationship Total # of Identified Ancestors Total # of Different Persons Implex
1 Parents 2 2 0%
2 Grandparents 4 4 0%
3 Great Grandparents 8 8 0%
4 2nd Great Grandparents 16 16 0%
5 3rd Great Grandparents 32 32 0%
6 4th Great Grandparents 64 62 3.1%
7 5th Great Grandparents 128 124 3.1%
8 6th Great Grandparents 250 236 5.6%
9 7th Great Grandparents 488 435 10.9%
10 8th Great Grandparents 882 721 18.3%
11 9th Great Grandparents 1369 1007 26.4%
12 10th Great Grandparents 1741 1128 35.2%


Memberships

Friedemann Kiedaisch is a member of the Kiedaisch Name Study Project.
Friedemann Kiedaisch ist ein Mitglied des Deutschland-Projekts (Germany Project).
Friedemann Kiedaisch participated with Germany Genies during the 2021 Connect-a-Thon, and added 492 connections.
Friedemann Kiedaisch participated with Germany Genies during the January 2022 Connect-a-Thon, and added 632 connections.
Friedemann Kiedaisch participated with Germany Genies during the April 2022 Connect-a-Thon, and added 685 connections.
Friedemann Kiedaisch participated with Germany Genies during the January 2023 Connect-a-Thon, and added 394 connections.
Friedemann Kiedaisch participated with Germany Genies during the July 2023 Connect-a-Thon, and added 164 connections.

Collaboration on WikiTree

Projects

In line with the origin of my ancestors and my research interests, I am involved in the Germany project and the Notables project. I am also the coordinator of the Kiedaisch Name Study. I initiated free-space pages:

Challenges

I really enjoy taking part in challenges. The Sourcerer Challenge is still a bit difficult for me, but I love the Connect-a-thons. So far I have always been part of the Germany Genies.

Genealogy outside WikiTree

Verein für Computergenealogie

Logo of Compgen

Another version of my family tree can be found on GedBas. This is a Database hosted by Verein für Computergenealogie. Because people living are not displayed at all, not even as placeholders, you have to go to my grandparents:

Verein für Familienkunde in Baden-Württemberg

Logo of Vfkbw

In Germany, as a country of associations, there is also a large number of genealogical societies. A (probably incomplete) overview is available at Portal Vereine. I am a member of the Verein für Familienkunde in Baden-Württemberg (Presentation on Wikitree), which covers the historical region where most of my ancestors come from.

Resources

  • My Images for use on other pages

Sources

  • First-hand information. Entered by F. Kiedaisch at registration.

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  • Friedemann's formal name
  • e-mail address
  • images (4)
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DNA Connections
It may be possible to confirm family relationships. Paternal line Y-chromosome DNA test-takers:
  • Friedemann Kiedaisch: Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test 700 markers, haplogroup J-Z35788, FTDNA kit #B426079, MitoYDNA ID T15112 [compare]
Maternal line mitochondrial DNA test-takers:
  • Friedemann Kiedaisch: Family Tree DNA mtDNA Test Full Sequence, haplogroup H1e1a6, FTDNA kit #B426079
It is likely that these autosomal DNA test-takers will share some percentage of DNA with Friedemann: Have you taken a test? If so, login to add it. If not, see our friends at Ancestry DNA.
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Dear Germany Project member,

it's annual check-in time 2023. If you still wish to remain a member of the Germany Project, please reply to this post, by stating this intention. If we don’t hear from you in the next 30 days, your membership badge will be removed. In this case please don't be offended ... you're welcome to rejoin at any time. Please also note, that in order to receive help, with researching your German ancestors, membership is not mandatory. Just ask your questions in the G2G forum and tag them with Germany in order for knowledgeable people to see them.

If you wish to remain a member, we would like to learn more about your perception of the Germany Project in order to achieve a future development according to our members needs and wishes. For this, we created a survey, which we kindly ask you to fill-in.

In case you want to communicate, discuss and receive help about WikiTree in German, you might want to check out the WikiTree category at Compgen’s Discourse as well as the German Discord server Ahnenforschung.

Of course there’s still the official WikiTree Discord server, where we usually talk English. Feel free to learn more about Discord and the server at Help:Discord.

Kind regards from Black Forest

Flo (Project Coordinator Research/Resources)
posted by Florian Straub
Hello Flo,

Of course I want to remain a member of the Germany project. Regards Friedemann

posted by Friedemann Kiedaisch
Hi Friedemann! Thank you for joining the Germany Genies for the April Connect-a-Thon. As a team, we created 5,602 new profiles, coming in 4th place overall and 1st place by normalized (average) score! We couldn't have done it without you and your 685 contributions! WOW! Congratulations on being in the top 3 finishers on the team. Best regards, Traci
posted by Traci Thiessen
edited by Traci Thiessen
Friedemann,

Thank you for contributing to the March 2022 Sourcerers Challenge! As you know, every source added to an unsourced profile improves our One Tree. Thank you for taking time from your own family history to help others.

WT Appreciation Team

posted by Nan (Lambert) Starjak
Thank you for again contributing to the Sourcerers Challenge in February!

Nan, WikiTree Appreciation team

posted by Nan (Lambert) Starjak
Friedemann,

Thank you for contributing to the January 2022 Sourcerers Challenge! As you know, every source added to an unsourced profile improves our One Tree. Thank you for taking time from your own family history to help others.

Nan, WT Appreciation Team

posted by Nan (Lambert) Starjak
Hi Friedemann,

It's Thon time again! The Source-a-Thon will be held from 1-4 Oct 2021 and the last day to register is 29 Sept. Do you want to participate with the Germany Genies again in this Thon? We could use your help sourcing German profiles (or any other profiles you'd like to source). Use this link to get to the G2G sign up post. Click the "answer" link at the bottom of the post and, when the answer box pops up, mention that you want to be on the Germany Genies team.

See our Team page for more info: Germany Genies.

Best regards, Traci

posted by Traci Thiessen
Hi Traci,

I am sorry, unfortunately I cannot take part this weekend. But I'm already collecting todo lists and hopefully I can support the Germany Genies again next time.

Regards Friedemann

posted by Friedemann Kiedaisch
Hi Friedemann,

Thanks for participating with the Germany Genies during this weekend's Connect-a-Thon. It was a lot of fun working together to expand our shared tree. Your hard work is appreciated and I hope you'll join our team again!

Warm regards, Traci

posted by Traci Thiessen
Hi Friedemann,

Thanks for joining the Germany Project! I've awarded you a project member badge. Please read the main Germany Project Page (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Germany) to familiarize yourself with what we do. When you have a chance, please submit a join request to our Google Group (https://groups.google.com/g/wikitreegermanroots), where our project communicates. **Please make sure to add your name and WikiTree ID** to the request so we can get you set up.

The Germany Project has several teams that cover regional, functional, historical and migrational interests. Please check them out and let me know which team(s) you'd like to join. You might find that one of our 16 regional teams may be a good fit. Simply post a comment on the Team page to join whichever team suits you.

We look forward to working with you! Please feel free to contact me with any questions any time.

Thanks!

Traci Thiessen ~ Germany Project co-leader

posted by Traci Thiessen
Hi Friedemann,

As you have been a member of WikiTree for a few weeks now, I thought I would check in to see how you are getting on with the site.

Has the New Member How-To pages been helpful, or left you with any questions?

Also, you might be interested in the Germany Project.

I am here to help with any problems or queries you may have. To contact me, log into WikiTree and go to your profile. Use the ‘Reply’ link below my comment so that I will be notified. Alternatively, you can click my name to visit my profile, where you can send a private message, or post a comment on my profile page.

Tommy ~ WikiTree Greeter

posted by Tommy Buch
Hello Friedemann,,

Thanks for taking the Pre-1700 Quiz!

Pre-1700 ancestors can be shared by many descendants, so collaboration is essential. You can learn more about joining the community in How To #3 and in the Project FAQ.

The Germany Project may fit your research focus. If not, use the Pre-1700 Projects list to find other possibilities. Review the project page to learn about resources and guidelines as well as how to collaborate with the project members.

Have questions? Ask in the comments section of my profile.

It is important to remember to cite reliable sources in pre-1700 profiles that you manage or edit. (See: Pre-1700 Reliable Sources).

Ginny ~ Pre-1700 Greeter

Hi F.

Thank you for adding a GEDCOM. The GEDCOM does not automatically populate your tree. It generates a GEDCOMpare report which you work through, either accepting or rejecting all suggested matches. Once that has been done, you should see [add] buttons for each of the remaining names.

The GEDCOMpare process guide has tips on how to use the data in your file most efficiently.

For those using Chrome, Opera, or Firefox browsers, there is a tool that can help with the formatting of profiles which have been created through GEDCOM, so that you can concentrate on the research. You can read more about it in the WikiTree AGC FAQ.

If you have any questions about how WikiTree works, log into WikiTree and go to your profile. Use the ‘Reply’ link below my comment. Alternatively, click my name to visit my profile. From there, you can leave a comment, or send a private message.

Have fun

Hilary ~~ WikiTree Greeter

posted by Hilary (Buckle) Gadsby
Thanks for upgrading, F. I hope you discover as much about your family as I have about mine over the years.

The How-to pages have some quick tips on working with both the Wiki pages and our other members.

Getting the Best from DNA will tell you more about how DNA kits are used on WikiTree.

Take your time, keep track of sources, and use the Genealogist-to-Genealogist (G2G) forum to ask questions about families and research.

If you have questions about how WikiTree works, let me know. To contact me, log into WikiTree, and go to your profile. Use the ‘Reply’ link below my comment so that I will be notified. You can also click my name to send a private message, or post a comment, on my profile page.

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Welcome!

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