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Richard (Clare) de Clare (abt. 1150 - bef. 1217)

Richard "Earl of Clare, 3rd Earl of Hertford" de Clare formerly Clare
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Magna Carta Surety Baron
Richard de Clare was one of the twenty-five medieval barons who were surety for Magna Carta in 1215.
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Biography

Birth and Parents

Richard was the son and heir of Roger de Clare and Maud de St Hilary.[1] His birth date is not known but has been guesstimated to be about 1150 , partly on the fact that he was old enough by 1172 to give his assent to a gift by his father, and to be suspected in 1173/4 of rebellion.[2][3]

Marriage and Children

Richard married Amice of Gloucester, daughter of William FitzRobert, Earl of Gloucester and Hawise.[1][2][3] They almost certainly married before 1180, the approximate year of their son Gilbert's birth, and quite likely before 1173/4, when Richard and his father-in-law were suspected of rebellion.[2][3] They had the following children:

Richard and his wife were separated by the Pope, because of consanguinity, by Michaelmas 1198, and in 1200 Amice referred to herself as formerly Countess of Clare;[4] but subsequently Amice styled herself Countess (not former Countess) of Clare, suggesting that the doubts about the validity of the marriage were dispelled.[2][3]

Life

Richard became Earl of Hertford on the death of his father in 1173.[5]

In 1173 he and his father-in-law were suspected of involvement in a rebellion of Hugh le Bigod, but he subsequently sided with Henry II during a rebellion of Henry II's son Henry the Young King.[2][3]

In 1189 Richard was present at the coronation of Richard I.[1][2][3]

Richard fought with Richard I in Normandy in 1194/5.[1][2][3]

In 1199 Richard attended the coronation of King John.[1]

In 1215 Richard was one of the Surety Barons for the Magna Carta. His subsequent participation in baronial rebellion against King John led to his excommunication in December that year and to the confiscation of his lands. He formally returned to allegiance on 5 October 1217, after John's death, and his lands were restored.[2][3]

Lands

Besides extensive properties in England, Richard held the lordships of Glamorgan and Caerleon, and lands in Normandy.[2][3] His English lands included the barony of Clare in Suffolk.[6]

Through his marriage Richard acquired substantial property. His wife's marriage portion included Sudbury, Suffolk and property in Kent.[2][3] In 1217, when his wife became her father's sole heir, he acquired vast estates in England and Wales: he died within weeks, before he could gain seisin.[7]

In 1189 Richard added further to his properties when he acquired half the Giffard Honor, which was composed of lands in England and Normandy. About then the barony of Long Crendon, Buckinghamshire was divided between him and William Marshal.[2][3][8][7]

Death

Richard died between 30 October, when writs were issued for his scutage payments, and 28 November 1217, when orders were given for his lands to be taken into the king's hands following his death.[1] His body initially lay at Tonbridge, Kent, but his widow arranged for it to be taken to Tewkesbury Abbey, Gloucestershire, where it was buried in the choir.[2][3]

Research Notes

Daughters Joan and Maud

There is no record of the first name of the daughter who married Rhys Gryg. Cawley's Medieval Lands calls her "Matilda [Joan]" and says she was the widow of William de Brewes, indicating that in his view the daughters Maud and Joan listed above were the same person,[9] but there is no clear evidence for this. Richardson says Rhys Gryg's wife may have been called Joan, again with no evidence, and appears to believe she was different from Maud who married William de Brewes.[2][3]

Magna Carta 800th Anniversary Biography

For the 800th anniversary of the Magna Carta in 2015, Professor Nigel Saul wrote a set of biographies of the Surety Barons. He and the Magna Carta 800th Anniversary Committee generously gave permission for them to be reproduced on WikiTree. They can be viewed here.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 G E Cokayne. Complete Peerage, revised edition, Vol. VI, St Catherine Press, 1926, pp. 501-503, Familysearch (images pages 513-515)
  2. 2.00 2.01 2.02 2.03 2.04 2.05 2.06 2.07 2.08 2.09 2.10 2.11 2.12 2.13 2.14 2.15 2.16 2.17 2.18 2.19 Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), Vol. I, pp. 446-4512, CLARE 1, Google Books
  3. 3.00 3.01 3.02 3.03 3.04 3.05 3.06 3.07 3.08 3.09 3.10 3.11 3.12 3.13 3.14 3.15 3.16 3.17 3.18 3.19 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), Vol. II, pp. 180-184, CLARE 5
  4. Francis Palgrave (ed.). Rotuli curiae regis, Vol. 2, 1835, p. 180, Familysearch (image page 202)
  5. Richard Howlett (ed.). The Chronicle of Robert of Torigni, HMSO, 1889, p.258, Internet Archive
  6. I J Sanders. English Baronies, a study of their Origin and descent 1086-1327, Oxford University Press, p. 35
  7. 7.0 7.1 From the biography of Richard and Gilbert de Clare by Professor Nigel Saul, posted by the Magna Carta 800th Anniversary Committee.
  8. I J Sanders. English Baronies, pp. 62-63
  9. Charles Cawley. RHYS Gryg/the Hoarse and WILLIAM [IV de Briouse], entries in “Medieval Lands” database, accessed 5 June 2023
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Acknowledgements

Magna Carta Project

As a surety baron, Richard de Clare's profile is managed by the Magna Carta Project. See Clare-651 Descendants for profiles of his descendants that have been improved and categorized by the Magna Carta project and are in a project-approved trail to a Gateway Ancestor. See this index for links to other surety barons and category pages for their descendants. See the project's Base Camp for more information about Magna Carta trails.

US Presidents Project

The project's category, US President Direct Ancestor, was added to this profile on 7 February 2021, but no details of which and what trail.
The Relationship Finder shows a trail between President George Washington and the Clares that goes through Gateway Ancestor John Washington, but John is not yet in a badged trail and the Magna Carta Project only covers from Gateway to Surety Baron.






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I hope to do some work on this profile soon for the Magna Carta Project, to bring it up to current Project standards.

- now DONE

posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
Here, Richard is styled as “3rd Earl of Hertford” and a listed source supports it. Others style him as “4th Earl of Hertford” with supporting sources as well.

Any comments will be greatly appreciated to resolve confusion.

I do not know what sources call him 4th Earl of Hertford, but the revised edition of Cokayne's Complete Peerage, which we follow on numbering of earls for WikiTree, and which is widely regarded as authoritative, calls him 3rd Earl. See vol. VI, p. 501, viewable on Familysearch -https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/483528/?offset=0#page=513&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q=
posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
Cokayne states that the title of Earl of Hertford was created for Richard’s uncle Gilbert, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hertford-6, possibly in about 1138. Gilbert died unmarried and on his death the title passed to Richard's father, and then to Richard himself. According to Wikipedia, it was traditionally and wrongly believed that Gilbert‘s father was the first Earl of Hertford, and that is why Richard may be shown as 4th earl in some sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Hertford.
posted by Michael Cayley
I think we are over-using this profile, so I'll write a G2G post with the aim of trying to summarize some of the terminology complexities in the 11th, 12th and 13th century, and suggestions about how to worth with them in practice.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
I tend to agree with Andrew for at least the medieval period. The orders of knights evolved over a period. And after knights bachelor began to exist - as the then lowest rank of English knight - there can, I think, be no presumption that any already existing knight became a knight bachelor. For knights banneret - a higher rank of knight - we seem to have at least a partial list at Wikipedia: List of Knights Banneret. It is all quite complicated. There is a purported list of knights bachelor, effectively from 1336, in Shaw’s Knights of England but I would want someone more expert than me to check that Shaw had got his ranking of knights right.
posted by Michael Cayley
These concepts evolved and were not very clear for a long time. But I would think that just being alive in the time knights bachelor existed is still not really a good explanation as to why it is a category on any specific profile, even later. Any fact like that should have a source?
posted by Andrew Lancaster
Michael's comment said "knights bachelor are known to have existed in the 13th century during the reign of Henry III - after Richard de Clare’s death - and are not known to have existed earlier."

The profile for Henry III has his reign as "19 Oct 1216 – 16 Nov 1272". So... the overlap is small, and Henry was only 9 (his profile says he was born 1207), but Richard was alive.

Before I look at removing the category from other profiles, I'd like to confirm the date parameters. If Edward III, then 1327; if Henry III... ?

Thanks!

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
I think we need to be careful about treating knight as a title in this period. As you say Joe, for the people with higher titles, in practice we can dodge the question. Words like knight and baron settled into completely new meanings in this century, having gone into flux in the previous one.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
From a private message:
Knight Bachelor would not have been used until the reign of Edward III.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
The other categories already on him cover him fine. He was a knight and a Sir because of his position in the peerage as an Earl. He was not a Knights bachelor.
posted by Joe Cochoit
Folks that know more about all this than I do decided that Knights would be categorized using Category:Knights bachelor ... if "Richard de Clare, Knt." should not be categorized under Category:Knights bachelor, what category would be appropriate?
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
I think the position may be that knights bachelor are known to have existed in the 13th century during the reign of Henry III - after Richard de Clare’s death - and are not known to have existed earlier. I choose my words in that sentence very carefully. I agree that, if that is the position, the category ought really to be removed from this profile.
posted by Michael Cayley