Missouri, with motto "the show me state", isn't showing me marriage records

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I cannot find any of three marriages - two for Jacob Aach and the third for his second wife's first marriage.  Of course, not having found records for any of these marriages, I can't say for sure that they took place in Missouri, but the four individuals who were parties to these marriages all lived there before and after they were married.

Can anybody find any of these marriage records?  I struck out at familysearch and ancestry.
WikiTree profile: Jack Aach
in Genealogy Help by Gaile Connolly G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)

By the way, if someone reading this message is knowledgeable about Missouri and has experience with Missouri research, the Missouri Project could use you as a go-to person for assisting folks like Gaile. Shoot me a message if you're interested.

I also have never had much success with finding Missouri marriage records online. I suspect there has never been a concerted effort to collect and index Missouri county records.
I would like to help with the Missouri Project.

Expect to receive a private message from me, Michelle.  smiley

I ran across these references looking for another obit and recognized the unique surname from this recent G2G post - in case you haven't found obituaries for Jack and Jennie yet (I didn't see them mentioned in the G2G post or listed as sources in the profiles) and have interest, the St Louis Public Library appears to list them in their St Louis (Post-Dispatch) Obituary Index. Searching for Aach (and sorting by Name Ascending) gives this list.

If you have interest, see the first web link that I provided, which indicates that the library Web References staff can scan and email obits for free.

Rick, thank you - that is a fabulous source - too bad every newspaper doesn't have all their archives online like that.

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Hello! I wonder if this marriage license list from The St. Louis Star and Times will help, at least with one of them? Check the bottom of the clip for Jack Aach and Jennie Zimbalist.

by Dale Mutter G2G6 Mach 5 (58.7k points)
selected by Gaile Connolly

yesyes

Thanks

Oh, Dale, "help" is the understatement of the century - that is wonderful - it is the only evidence of anything that I or anyone else has yet found!!!!!!!!!  THANX a gazillion!
You're absolutely welcome! Happy I was able to assist!
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Wow, Gaile, good one. I have been searching. Looked on ancestry and familysearch and cannot find anything, and then saw that you had already searched there. Let me put on another cap and see what I can come up with. Sorry
by Cheryl Hess G2G Astronaut (1.8m points)

I also checked the Missouri, County Marriage, Naturalization, and Court Records, 1800-1991 for Barbara being married to Charles Zwibelman, and Jeannie Zimbalist being married to Charles. I didn't find anything, but maybe you can.

Sorry Gaile.

Cheryl, many THANX for all your hard work.  I had already run out of steam when I posted this question.  In addition to those names, Barbara was Bertha in all records up to about the time of her marriage to Charles and Jeannie is incorrect - it's Jenny or Jennie everywhere except the one place - the title on Find a Grave - and even the photo of her headstone there shows her as Jennie.

I figured that this would be a welcome relief from the usual problems I deal with - places that defy identification more precise than "Eastern Europe" and names that look like a random collection of letters that defy pronunciation and do not appear the same in any two records - often in as many as four different languages in these records with no way of even knowing what language it is.  Barbara turns out to be just as bad - she started life as Bertha born in England (ah - a language I thought I understood), then immigrated to USA twice - the first time to Saint Louis, Missouri and 3 yrs later to Memphis, Tennesee.  Chasing down records feels like I'm playing a shell game - nothing is where I expect it to be.

THANX also for giving me the opportunity to vent!
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https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Missouri_Online_Genealogy_Records lists several online sources for Missouri marriages -- none of which appears to be comprehensive for the time period when this guy would have been married.
by Ellen Smith G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
THANX, Ellen.  That's a great list and I searched all possible links on it.  You're right - there was nothing to be found for the people I'm chasing, but that would probably be a very good thing to add to the resources on the Missouri project page you linked in another comment here.
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This is weird - from FMP 

Barbara Z.

Last name Zwibelman

Maiden name Aach

Birth year 1916

Birth date 11 Mar 1916

Death year 1990

Death date 04 Apr 1990

Cemetery Beth Hamedrosh Hagodel Cemetery

City Clayton

County St Louis

State -

Country United States

Image link https://billiongraves.com/grave/Barbara-Z-Aach-Zwibelman/1317435

Record set United States Billion Graves Index

Category Life Events (BDMs)

Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials

Collections from Americas, United States

by Living Poole G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
Weird is an excellent description, Marion - THANX for trying.  That matches the Find a Grave record I already had, which was the "hint" for me that Jacob/Jack had a second marriage.  Find a Grave is not quite as weird, though, but close - it identifies Jack Aach as her second husband and shows her LNAB as Stillman.  Even so, she shares a gravestone with her first husband that shows the name of her second husband … and I thought records in Eastern Europe were a mess!!!!!
+2 votes

If you've exhausted online sources, you can try the Missouri State Archives:  https://www.sos.mo.gov/archives

Unlike similar institutions, they don't charge a search fee.  They charge 25 cents per page for copying, plus shipping.  Be prepared to wait a few weeks for an answer, and only one request at a time can be made.

by Kerry Larson G2G6 Pilot (236k points)
All available county records in Missouri have been microfilmed and you might want to try Missouri State Historical Society and check their web site to see if they have them digitilized. You can also use your local library card to check and see if they have access to genealogical databases that one can search remotely and free if charge. Sadly, many courthouses burned at various times making it very difficult to retrieve county records. You can also search the newspapers in the county in question but that may become somewhat tedious. Best of luck to you!

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