what should her LNAB be... not "of" or "de"... Chalons or Chalon (and who are her parents?)

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A recent post on https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/of_Aquitaine-35 reminded me of a couple "unmerged matches" that I should have done something about long ago.

I haven't because I don't know what to do about them.

Suggestions needed for Ermengarde 

Thanks!

WikiTree profile: Ermengarde d'Auvergne
in Genealogy Help by Liz Shifflett G2G6 Pilot (666k points)

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It's one of those problems you want to put in the 'too hard basket' and walk away ;) It's also connected to the 'three Bernard's problem' (one of whom was her husband)- three men named Bernard, who all ruled in the south of France, but trying to sort out which was which and who ruled where has been much debated amongst the experts for generations.

Charles Cawley in Medieval Lands, names her parents as Bernard, (another one) Comte d'Auvergne and his wife Liegardis, but puts it all in square brackets which denotes that he's really not sure.  

Constance Brittain Bouchard in her book Those of my blood: Constructing noble families in medieval Francia (which I own), argues that Bernard and his wife Liegardis were unlikely, and she favours Warin, who in Medieval Lands, is also called Comte d'Auvergne, and his wife Ava (or Albana/e).  She bases this on the fact that Ermengarde and her husband Bernard, had children who were given the names Warin and Ava and also on the ownership of the villa of Cluny which the elder Warin acquired, and then appears much later in Ermengarde's children.

There are I am sure other theories, but at the moment, given we have to make a choice, I think making Warin and Ava as her parents, but marking them as uncertain might be the best option?

However I don't think Chalon is appropriate for Warin's LNAB (and Ermengarde's LNAB) perhaps Auvergne might be better?

by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (645k points)
selected by Liz Shifflett

well, that took a few hours :D 

de_Chalons-7 is now Auvergne-97 & is the daughter of Warin and Alba. I've proposed a merge with Chalon-56 & posted a note to of Aquitaine-35.

All the Bernards will have to wait.

Merry Christmas all!

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