What I should I do with a profile that has serious data problems and no source?

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Many profiles have no sources but the information makes sense.  These can be entered into Category: Unsourced Profiles

Some profiles have serious problems - marriage and children at age 2.  Or a mother with children born over a period of 70 years.  Clearly impossible.  First choice is to research and fix the problems - when that is not possible the profile should be added to  Category: Serious Data Problems - a new category in the Maintenance section.

 

in WikiTree Tech by Philip Smith G2G6 Pilot (345k points)
edited by Liander Lavoie
They are "fun" IF you have some success with untangling them! But, if I get too frustrated, there's always another profile to find success with as a refresher before returning to the tough one!

Right on yes

Good point Robin.
I am amazed you are finding profiles with data problems.   All I seem to encounter is people with a name, no DOB, no DOD, no state or country.   If there is a spouse or brother/sister lister they have no DOB, DOD, state, Country.  Same  if any parents-   NO INFO.   Am I the only one encountering all of these?
Plenty of those around too, Mary. As a matter of fact, I think there are way more of those than the ones with serious data problems/
I also find many more profiles that are just GedCom imports (only one change in history) with no further edits similar to what Mary said. It seems like the bar to edit those profiles could be lowered, but that is a other story.

In regards to serious data problems, I start by adding references (with links where available, preferably free) to that profile and to the nearby relatives.  I like to surround the profile with as many data points as I can. I also add a Research Notes section to explain non-obvious conclusions.  Then I reach out to the Profile Manager and let them know what I changed and why when I do major restructuring (change parents and wives, children). I have only done this on lines I have been researching for years. In my case they were over 200 years old so waiting for rights was not required.  I have probably have been lucky to date as the profiles I have done this with were unattended gedcom imports.

At times there was a rush, when doing this, at other times it was a pain. It was intriguing to see what had caused people to go down the wrong rat hole. One major source of confusion was an conclusion that was correct but in an such an odd place that people missed it a Family History book (The Porterfields). An other source of error was thinking Urquhart and Farquar were the same person -  I kind of get that -  I guess.  Then there were two John Porterfields reportedly born in the same year that died with in a year of each other.  They were third cousins.  This research is like a scavenger hunt version of a logic puzzle, where you not only have to solve the puzzle but you have to go find the clues yourselves. Very addicting. WikiTree is ruining all my other hobbies.

Recently ran into two John Hunts with problems similar to your John Porterfields.  One d. Kentucky, 1840, the other Indiana, 1838.  The birth date/place of one was shown on the profile of the other.  A bit over two months later, I'm still waiting for the PM to fix this!  I think I know the correct birth date/place, but would need to research to find better sources than what I've seen so far.

 

This happens sometimes.  The parents have a child.in 1900.. say Joseph... in one city but Joseph dies one year later.  Then the family moves to another city.  In 1902, they have a second child and they name him Joseph.  I'm always careful when seeing two profiles with the same name and parents.

So am I.  I've seen this many times.  Apparently, it was quite common in the past for parents who had the misforune of having a child die young, to give a later-born child the same name.  It will help prevent quite a few bad merges if everyone is aware of this.

I also have two children with the same name with same parents where first born son died very young and much later son was given same name.

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I also like the idea of a category named Serious Data Problems.  I even like the idea of stripping or editing the profile and starting all over again.
by Living Hammond G2G6 Mach 8 (86.0k points)
selected by Michelle Brooks
Most of the time, I find that searching back through profiles with serious data problems,the problem all started with a bad merge.   In that case, Mary is correct, you have to just strip the profile and start over with the data that applies to the person you "ended up with"......
Could you tell me more about stripping a profile?  is it hard to do?
It just means erasing everything in the write up and starting all over with primary sources and a good write up using the Wikitree Style Guide found under the help menu.
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For what it's worth, I looked at the category page and have started attacking one of these monstrosities.  She is Eunice Waldo, a woman with an AMAZING 46 children.  Well, real soon now, she will have far fewer,  I have already disconnected these:

  1. Hilse Eastwood ancestors ( - June 1851)
  2. Sarah Stanworth ancestors ( - )
  3. Samuel Cravath ancestors (1734 - September 28, 1820)
  4. Cornelius Fuller ancestors (September 14, 1770 - )
  5. Betsy Murray ancestors (1779 - )
  6. Mary Wild ancestors (1782 - 1876)
  7. Edward Gant Pyle ancestors (September 22, 1785 - )

I've left explantory notes on the "children" I disconnected.

by Fred Remus G2G6 Mach 4 (43.8k points)

Hi Fred, 

Consider also severing [[Waldo-86|Eunice Waldo]] as wife of [[King-2971|James King]].  Profile of [[King-2971|James King]] now contains a brief notes and a reference that would support such a change.

Thanks, Gene.  I just got a PM from someone else suggesting another husband (McMillen) might also be erroneous.  Arrrrgh!  That poor woman's profile is a REAL mess.  :-)

Great work, Fred; thanks for taking this mess on!  I wonder who all those detached children belong to?
Great work, Fred; thanks for taking this mess on!  I wonder who all those detached children belong to?

I see you already have Super Star and Community Star; just know I'd give you another if I could! ;-)
Fanfare!!!! Confetti!!! Ticker tape?!!! Thank you Fred.
Wow that profile looks great!. thanks to GeneJ X and Paula J also.

Someone else needs to come in and take a bow.  :-)  After doing a bunch of the kids, I took a break from it to do other things.  When I got back to it, someone else had detached the rest!  I suspect Paula J, but I could be wrong.  :-)

Hi Fred, we have Paula J and Eric Daly to thank for much of that work. Maybe they are being bashful?

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