ibn Abu-Musa-1 B 0675 in egypt

Question

Say are there any sources/peer reviewed studies that can trace the Plantagenets (Edward 1/Plantagenet-2) with the mooring caliphate in Spain? There is an unsourced line on wkkitree that traces it back to Ibin_abu-musa-1, but zero sources. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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The name Ibin Abu-Musa does not appear in the search list. Can you provide the link?

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https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ibn_Abu-Musa-1

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I think it may be this: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ibn_Abu-Musa-1

Edit: LoL!!

Answer 1

Hi Nathan

It was Joseph Chang, a mathematician from Yale, who first theorised that everyone of European extraction must be descended from Charlemagne and also from Mohammed and many other notable figures from that period.

I think it's based on that fact that the mathematical progression of generations (2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents, 16, 32, 64, etc) before too long leads to more people than are thought to have existed on earth in the eighth century. Even taking into account pedigree collapse and other issues.

Any European descent from Mohammed it likely to be via Islamic (Moorish) Spain and the Christian dynasties in Spain and southern France, and Edward I's mother Eleanor of Provence could be a good candidate, but the problem is actually proving such a descent.  My understanding is that there is plenty of theories but no such pedigree with absolute proof.

Unfortunately on WikiTree there are still many pre-1500 profiles that have to be checked and as Eva has written, there are problems with the link from Ibn Abu-Musa and Edward I

Answer 2

There is a weak link in https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Barcelona-100, Godehilde d'Evreux, who is connected to a father (and presumably mother), explicitly refuted in the bio:

"Count Richard of Évreux was married to the widow of Roger de Tosny, who had previously been married to Estefania, daughter of count Ramon Borrell of Barcelona [Adémar Chab., iii, 55 (p. 178); Chr. S. Petri Vivi Senonensis, RHF 10: 223]. The careless identification of the two wives of Roger de Tosny as one person has sometimes resulted in the false attribution of Godehilde as a daughter of Ramon Borrell. [see, e.g. Keats-Rohan (1993), 35]."

I think there are more tenuous links like this in the 16-generation lineage
https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Relationship&action=calculate&person1_name=Plantagenet-2&person2_name=Ibn_Abu-Musa-1

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I found a source for Sigisbert V de Razes

https://archive.org/details/kingsrulersstate00wise

wife unknown

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sent book as source to John ATKINSON to judge reliability as a source

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There are no sources for any of the profiles until Sigisbert V

Including 

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MOORISH%20SPAIN.htm

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Good night my lady Eva

hugs 

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What does it take to correct this mess? (I know... rhethorical question).

Answer 3

Okay.
So Useful Charts has a few things which may help as pointers in addition to a few other things

1. A video which talks about Prophet Muhammad to Queen Elizabeth which goes through Zaida down to the two daughters of Pedro both who married Plantagent brothers Edmund and John (both links are direct line relationships to Queen Elizabeth). Both Edmund and John being the great grandsons of Plantagent-2
2. This talks about the British Monarchy and mentions the connection to Charlemagne
3. And this talks on the Umayyad dynasty but stops short of the caliphs. This wikipedia article mentions the marriage to Ibn_Abu-Musa-1 and prompted the identification of the profile of his father-in-law Odo thanks to wikidata.
4. The video linked in 3 helps to the tracking of Abd al-Rahman I (first Emir of Corduba) due to the naming conventions that are used. Tracked down the successions lines for the Emir/Caliph of Corduba titles most of whom are of the same extended bloodline. One of who is here

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There are a number of issues to do with Zaida that make her less likely to be the direct link from the Prophet Muhammad to anyone else.

She is given different parents in separate sources, and the most likely to be correct is a Muslim historian where she is named as the daughter-in-law of Al Mutamid, King of Seville, meaning her own parentage is unknown.

The other issue is that she is definitely known to be the mother of Sancho, the son of Alfonso VI of Castile, born when she was Alfonso's mistress, but it is unclear whether she is the mother of two of his legitimate daughters. They are the daughters of a Queen Isabel, and although Zaida was baptised under that name, historians differ as to whether she was married to Alfonso or whether there was another Queen Isabel who was the mother of the daughters.

Charles Cawley supports the view that Zaida was the mother of all three children but see the English and Spanish Wikipedia pages for some discussion.