Bethia (Unknown) Hall migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). Join: Puritan Great Migration Project Discuss: pgm
Disputed Origins
Some say she was daughter of John Farmer and Isabella Barbage. What is the evidence for this? Anderson[1] does not provide a maiden name or origins.
New England Marriages pre 1700, Volume 2, p 681:
TEXT:HALL, John (-1696) & Bethia [?FARMER] (-1683); [by 1636]; Charlestown/Barnstable {Brainerd Anc. 141; Swift (1955) 26; Granberry 839; Barnstable Co. Prob. 1:23; Paine (,11) 65; Cape Cod Lib. 67:1; Charlestown 454; Hall (,5) 212-213, (,3) 1; Foster Anc. 74;
Children
Samuel, b abt 1636; m Elizabeth Folland[2] No issue; his will names his brothers and wife.[3]
John, bpt in Charlestown, Mass., 13 May 1638;[4] m by 1661 Priscilla _____ who might have been daughter of Augustine Bearse, but Anderson was not convinced.
Shebar (son), bpt Charlestown, 9 Jan 1639/40; no further record
Joseph, bpt Barnstable 3 Jul 1643;[5] m Mary Joyce, daughter of John Joyce
Benjamin, b/d July 1644
Nathaniel, bpt Barnstable * Feb 1645/6; m by 1675 Ann Thornton
According to this, Bethia's (Bethea) parents were John Farmer of Audley and Isabel Barbage (Farmer) of Warwickshire England. John Farmer died in 1669. Bethia is said to have immigrated with her parents and several of her siblings. It further states Bethia married John Hall of Warwickshire. (References: New England Register, vol i, page. 4).
Note: According to that AGBI index, there is a reference to the 29 Apr 1907: 898 edition of the Boston Evening Transcript, which I'm assuming is an answer to the request for a source of the previous 21 Jan 1907 #898 stating her last name was Farmer. That edition, 29 Apr 1907 is not available on Google Newspaper or American Ancestors. Perhaps it could be found someplace locally in the Boston area (or Salt Lake City)?
Have these sources been rule out as incorrect? That Farmer wasn't her maiden name?
Interestingly, Boston Evening Transcript gives its source which happens to be the very first article of the very first issue of the NEHGR. Though this article does not actually name Bethia; it says the 8th child of John Farmer and Isabel Barbage was ______ Farmer who married John Hall of Warwickshire. It makes no attempt to identify this John Hall of Warwickshire as being the Great Migration immigrant. If you look at the dates it is clearly impossible for them to be the same. This Bethia would have been born 1610-1615. John Farmer and Isabel Barbage married 13 August 1633.
Clearly, the author of the Boston Evening Transcript article conflated two different John Halls and invented this relationship. We can dispense with this theory as not just unproven, but actually disproved.
Yeah, that 3 Feb 1915 Boston Evening Transcript (1st link) is a little clunky in wording.
The first part of the statement clearly states the names: "John Hall came from Coventry, Eng., about 1630, and his wife, Bethea Farmer ..."
And then, at the bottom of the column, goes on to state: "The eigth child married John Hall of Warwickshire, Eng. (References: New England Register, vol. i., page 4).
So it makes the connection by name (John Hall and Bethea Farmer), but as you stated, the dates don't work out for the given parents of John Farmer and Isabella Barbage.
It would be interesting to get a hold of that first issue of NEHGR as well as the "small paper genealogy book at Boston Public Library" (probably impossible to identify) given by the other person in the 06 Jul 1909 paper.
I was having the hardest time finding my reference in your link Bobbie until I realized that the Internet Archive copy is missing pages 26 and 27. Here is a Google Books link: NEHGR, vol. 1 (1847): page 26. VIII. _____, who married John Hall of Warwickshire.
Ah, sorry, I didn't check for the specific pages. I only noticed the mention of John Farmer's Memoirs and moved on. There's probably another copy on the Archives if anyone wants to dig for it.
Of additional interest in New England marriages on the page following the one below, is the following, suggesting some possible confusion and conflation:
HALL, John (-1693) & Elizabeth [LEARNED?] (1621-); by 1645; Charlestown/Dover, NH {Charlestown 455; Hingham 283; Leonard 22; Dover NH Mar. 81; Hall (,5) 212-3; Hall (,5) 132; Foster Anc. 74; Cram 46; Warner-Harrington 396; Swift (1955) 12, 68}
Sources for her last name from that WorldConnect web page:
Source #1. Crane, Historic Homes... vol. 4, p 107 "Bethia Larned" without any source.
Sources #2-8 are horribly derivative and not at all useful.
Source # 9 is New England Marriages pre 1700, no page # is listed; I looked it up on AmericanAncestors.org: it's in volume 2, p 681 and says this: HALL, John (-1696) & Bethia [?FARMER] (-1683); [by 1636]; Charlestown/Barnstable {Brainerd Anc. 141; Swift (1955) 26; Granberry 839; Barnstable Co. Prob. 1:23; Paine (,11) 65; Cape Cod Lib. 67:1; Charlestown 454; Hall (,5) 212-213, (,3) 1; Foster Anc. 74;
I am disconnecting Farmer-55 and Barbage-1 as her parents. As others have noted, Anderson reports no basis for identifying her origins. And as Chris Hoyt noted, these parents are currently indicated to have been born in 1610 and 1611 -- the same age as Bethia. The sources cited as proof for the parents are Edmund West and the Millennium FIle; neither of these is a reliable source, much less proof.
NEHGR:161: p 210-218 Not listed as a child to this couple who were not even married until August 1633. She should be removed. Isabel Burbage baptized 1611, John Farmer est birth c1610.
It shows Farmer-55 and Farmer-2757 having the same parents, but there is 39 years difference between their years of birth. Seems suspicious at best. Would anybody know if his is accurate? Thanks,
Father: John Farmer
Mother: Isabella Barbage
1. Edmund West, comp.. Family Data Collection - Births [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2001.
2. Edmund West, comp.. Family Data Collection - Individual Records [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2000.
3. Original data: Heritage Consulting. The Millennium File. Salt Lake City, UT, USA: Heritage Consulting.
Featured Asian and Pacific Islander connections:
Bethia is
20 degrees from 今上 天皇, 17 degrees from Adrienne Clarkson, 21 degrees from Dwight Heine, 19 degrees from Dwayne Johnson, 15 degrees from Tupua Tamasese Lealofioaana, 18 degrees from Stacey Milbern, 16 degrees from Sono Osato, 30 degrees from 乾隆 愛新覺羅, 19 degrees from Ravi Shankar, 21 degrees from Taika Waititi, 20 degrees from Penny Wong and 15 degrees from Chang Bunker
on our single family tree.
Login to see how you relate to 33 million family members.
[Do you know Bethia's family name?] | H > Hall > Bethia (Unknown) Hall
Boston Evening Transcript: Genealogy Pages, 1911-1940. Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2016. https://www.americanancestors.org/DB1655/i/37637/Feb-co2/0 (4th column, near top)
And https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=sArNgO4T4MoC&dat=19090706&printsec=frontpage&hl=en (page 13, 4th column #571) - states "Decaon John (2) Hall was son of John (1) Hall, whose first wife was Bethia (Farmer)(found in a small paper genealogy book at Boston Public Library)."
There are several other AGBI references found here which also give her last name as Farmer: (not sure where else the index can be found) https://www.godfrey.org/scholar/viewer.php?group=American+Genealogical-Biographical+Index&bookName=AGBI+Vol.+70%2C+Hale%2C+Hannah%2C+S+thru+Halzel
Note: According to that AGBI index, there is a reference to the 29 Apr 1907: 898 edition of the Boston Evening Transcript, which I'm assuming is an answer to the request for a source of the previous 21 Jan 1907 #898 stating her last name was Farmer. That edition, 29 Apr 1907 is not available on Google Newspaper or American Ancestors. Perhaps it could be found someplace locally in the Boston area (or Salt Lake City)?
Have these sources been rule out as incorrect? That Farmer wasn't her maiden name?
edited by Gary Theisen
Clearly, the author of the Boston Evening Transcript article conflated two different John Halls and invented this relationship. We can dispense with this theory as not just unproven, but actually disproved.
The first part of the statement clearly states the names: "John Hall came from Coventry, Eng., about 1630, and his wife, Bethea Farmer ..."
And then, at the bottom of the column, goes on to state: "The eigth child married John Hall of Warwickshire, Eng. (References: New England Register, vol. i., page 4).
So it makes the connection by name (John Hall and Bethea Farmer), but as you stated, the dates don't work out for the given parents of John Farmer and Isabella Barbage.
It would be interesting to get a hold of that first issue of NEHGR as well as the "small paper genealogy book at Boston Public Library" (probably impossible to identify) given by the other person in the 06 Jul 1909 paper.
As given in the profile here, according to New England Marriages pre 1700, Volume 2, p 681 Bethia's maiden name is given as FARMER, but with a question mark. https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/151984:3824?_phsrc=aBZ273&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=Bethia&ml_rpos=1&queryId=e0a4716464730bd4bab53f469ac0da68 Perhaps the author of that work has seen the original record, but questions it based on the (incorrect) theory that John Farmer and Isabella Barbage were her parents.
Perhaps his wife's maiden name really was Farmer, but from a different father and mother?
edited by Gary Theisen
Here is John Farmer and Isabel Barbage in WikiTree.
HALL, John (-1693) & Elizabeth [LEARNED?] (1621-); by 1645; Charlestown/Dover, NH {Charlestown 455; Hingham 283; Leonard 22; Dover NH Mar. 81; Hall (,5) 212-3; Hall (,5) 132; Foster Anc. 74; Cram 46; Warner-Harrington 396; Swift (1955) 12, 68}
Source #1. Crane, Historic Homes... vol. 4, p 107 "Bethia Larned" without any source.
Sources #2-8 are horribly derivative and not at all useful.
Source # 9 is New England Marriages pre 1700, no page # is listed; I looked it up on AmericanAncestors.org: it's in volume 2, p 681 and says this: HALL, John (-1696) & Bethia [?FARMER] (-1683); [by 1636]; Charlestown/Barnstable {Brainerd Anc. 141; Swift (1955) 26; Granberry 839; Barnstable Co. Prob. 1:23; Paine (,11) 65; Cape Cod Lib. 67:1; Charlestown 454; Hall (,5) 212-213, (,3) 1; Foster Anc. 74;
Would anyone else agree with this?
Father: John Farmer Mother: Isabella Barbage 1. Edmund West, comp.. Family Data Collection - Births [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2001. 2. Edmund West, comp.. Family Data Collection - Individual Records [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2000. 3. Original data: Heritage Consulting. The Millennium File. Salt Lake City, UT, USA: Heritage Consulting.