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John Hall (1611 - 1696)

John Hall
Born in Englandmap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married before 1636 in Massachusettsmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 85 in Barnstable County, Province of Massachusetts Baymap
Profile last modified | Created 31 Mar 2011
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The Puritan Great Migration.
John Hall migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See Great Migration Begins, by R. C. Anderson, Vol. 2, p. 840)
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Biography

This profile is part of the Hall Name Study.

Disputed Origins

John Hall was born about 1611 and perhaps earlier, origins unknown.

"Savage and Wyman suggest that this John Hall came from Coventry in England, but there is no evidence for this whatsoever. Banks offers St. Mary Whitechapel, London, as an origin for this man, but cites only "Banks Mss.," so not much weight should be put on this claim either, without further exploration [Topo Dict 102]".[1]
"John Hall was admitted as an inhabitant of Charlestown in April 1633...[1]
"Both Savage and Pope muddled this John Hall and one or two others. Savage combined the records of this John Hall with those of a second man of the same name at Charlestown, whereas Pope distributed the records of two John Halls and one Samuel Hall across two entries under the name of John Hall. Jacobus sorted out the confusion in a long note published in 1948 [Brainerd Anc 142-43]; the critical point is to watch the name Bethia as wife of John.[1]

Life in New England

He migrated by fall 1630, residing initially, perhaps, in Boston, then Charlestown by 1632, Barnstable 1640, and Yarmouth by 1653.

He was made Freeman 14 May 1634 [MBCR 1:369].

The Charlestown church record says "John, Bethiah, Haule" were admitted 2 Nov 1632 as part of a group having been dismissed from the Boston Church the previous 14 August [2], implying a marriage to Bethiah before the November date. Anderson suggests otherwise:

"The gap of six years between the first record of Bethia as wife of John Hall (2 November 1632) and the first record of a baptism for a child (13 May 1638) is puzzling... Savage demonstrated that the Charlestown church records [recorded another couple as having married] some time before the marriage actually took place. The same may have happened with John and Bethia. If that is true John and Bethia may not have married until about 1636"[1] [Anderson omitted this paragraph from the Hall sketch in his subsequently published Winthrop Fleet: Massachusetts Bay Immigrants to New England 1629–1630 (Boston, 2012), 357–58.]

Bethia is said to have died in Barnstable 1 Feb 1683/4.[3]

He held a variety of positions, including Barntsable constable (1647), Yarmouth surveyor of highways (1653), Plymouth Grand Jury (1657, 1664).

He died in Yarmouth, MA 23 July 1696.[4]

Last Will & Testament

Dated 15 Jul 1695, proved 25 August 1696, inventoried 6 Aug 1696[5][6]

"all those several parcels and portions of land which I formerly gave to my sons shall stand and remain to them... to my eldest son Samuel... to my son John... to my son Benjamin... to my son Elisha... my son William... my sons... Joseph... Nathaniel... Gershom...

Children

  1. Samuel, b abt 1636; m by ?? Elizabeth Folland; Samuel died without surviving issue; in his 1693 will he made bequests to his wife, to his eldest brother John Hall, to my second brother Joseph Hall, to my third brother Nathaniel Hall, to my fourth brother Gershom Hall, to my fifth brother William Hall, to my sixth brother Benjamin Hall, to my seventh brother Elisha Hall... my brother-in-law Thomas Follin...
  2. John, bp Charlestown 13 May 1638; m by 1661 Priscilla _____ (thought to be daughter of Augustine Bearse, but "full evidence is not seen.")
  3. Shebar (son), bp Charlestown 9 Jan 1639/40; no further record.
  4. Joseph, bp Barnstable 3 Jul 1642; m by ?? Mary Joyce, dau of John Joyce
  5. Benjamin, bp Barnstable 14 Jul 1644; bur. Barnstable 23 Jul 1644
  6. Nathaniel, bp Barnstable 8 Feb 1645/6; m by 1675 An Thornton
  7. Gershom, bp Barnstable 5 Mar 1647/8; m1 by 1669 Bethia Bangs, dau of Edward Bangs; m2 Hingham 9 Dec 1698 Martha Bramhall.
  8. William, bp Barnstable 8 June 1651; m by 1683 or as early as 1675 Esther _____. She might have been dau of James Mathews.
  9. Benjamin bp Barnstable 29 May 1653; m Yarmouth 7 Feb 1677/8? Mehitable Mathews
  10. Elisha, b abt 1655; m by 1680 Lydia ____

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620–1633, 3 vols. (Boston, 1995), 2:843 (COMMENTS section).
  2. Records of the First Church in Charlestown, 1632-1789 (David Clapp and Son, Boston, 1880) p. 7
  3. Jacobus, Brainerd Ancestry, p 141
  4. Yarmouth Vital Records, p 129
  5. Mayflower Descendant, 31:36, citing Barnstable Probate Records 2:23
  6. "Probate records v. 1-3 1686-1747" database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9YB-N95L : 22 April 2024), Film# 00770540, Barnstable, Massachusetts, image 87, Vol 2, Page 23-24.
  • Major source used: Anderson, Robert Charles The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 1995). New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995) p 840-843(Online database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2010),






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There are different Y haplogroups shown in this profile. James Joseph Hall is my uncle and matches H. Tracy Hall Jr son of H. Tracy Hall. Tracy and I have a common ancestor in Anthony Hall son of William Hall (1702-1764). Both tests were done by the same company, GenTree, prior to 2012. Both results were the same “…predicted Y-DNA Haplogroup is: R-M207 Subgroup: R1b1b2-M269.” Assuming the paternal line for Steven Hall is correct through William Hall (bef.1651-1727) there is an error in the paternal line past William Hall (1702-1764). Either Thomas Hall (1672-1717) is not William Hall (1702-1764) father, or William Hall (bef.1651-1727) is not Thomas Hall (1672-1717) father.
posted by Joe Miller
Perhaps you could research this further, Joe, from reliable documentary sources such as vital records, etc.
posted by S (Hill) Willson
With these DNA results, why would you assume the paternal ancestry of Stephen Hall is correct? Also, you cannot say that Anthony was a son of William Hall. The error or non-paternal event is somewhere in:
1. Anthony is the son of William Hall (1702-1764) [confident]
2. William is the son of Thomas Hall (1672-1717) [uncertain]
3. Thomas is the son of William Hall (bef.1651-1727) [unknown confidence]
or
1. Steven is the son of Bruce Orrin Hall [unknown confidence]
2. Bruce Orrin is the son of Orrin Robert Hall (1911-1981) [unknown confidence]
3. Orrin Robert is the son of James Robert Hall (1868-1937) [unknown confidence]
4. James Robert is the son of Robert Orrin Hall (1844-1913) [unknown confidence]
5. Robert Orrin is the son of Orin S. Hall (1800-1882) [unknown confidence]
6. Orin is the son of Elihu Hall JR (1780-1848) [unknown confidence]
7. Elihu is the son of Elihu Hall SR (1757-1785) [unknown confidence]
8. Elihu is the son of James Hall (1720-1807) [unknown confidence]
9. James is the son of James Hall (abt.1690-1742) [unknown confidence]
10. James is the son of William Hall (bef.1651-1727) [unknown confidence]
posted by Joe Cochoit
edited by Joe Cochoit
What approach should be taken to address this, Joe?
posted by GeneJ X
Unfortunately it may not be "fixable". As Joe C. pointed out, and as is not at all unusual, sometime in the last 300+ years there was probably a non-parental event, undocumented adoption, cousin of some variety raised as a sibling without ever knowing they were not a sibling etc etc so that the DNA doesn't match the paper trail. Very possibly, there is no paper trail to help solve it, and if somebody gave birth to a child fathered by "not her husband", it was hardly likely to be documented unless there was a public divorce and court record. I'd suggest that Joe M., as the original poster and most interested party, work to uncover such an event.
posted by Brad Stauf
This John Hall was NOT married to Elizabeth Learned.
posted by Jillaine Smith

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