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James Williams (1562 - aft. 1620)

James Williams
Born in St Albans, Hertfordshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 2 Jan 1597 (to 7 Sep 1620) in Saint Albans, Hertfordshire, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died after after age 58 in London, Middlesex, Englandmap
Profile last modified | Created 27 Sep 2010
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James Williams was born in Hertfordshire, England.

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Biography

James Williams

Birth

Date: 1562
Place: St Albans, Hertfordshire, England<
Date: Between 1562 and 1576
Place: St. Albans, Hertsfordshire, England
Date: 1578
Place: Saint Albans, Hertfordshire, England

Family

Father: Mark Williams
Mother: Agnes Audley

Marriage

Husband: James Williams
Wife: Alice Pemberton
Date: January 2, 1597
Place: Saint Albans, Hertfordshire, England

Occupation

Occupation: Merchant Tailor (an importer and trader)
Place: England

Death

Date: September 7, 1620
Place: London, Middlesex, England<

Will

Will Date: 7 Sep 1620
Will names wife Alice, son Sydrack, daughter Catharine, wife of Ralph Wightman, sons Roger and Robert. ” Brother in law Roger Pemberton, son in law Ralph Wightman.
Proved Date: November 19, 1621 [1]

Research Notes

  • I am writing this in an attempt to get us all on the "same track" and to try to eradicate any areas of disagreement. I find that some of the published Williams materials are in error. I will welcome any comments/disagreements/data or sources concerning this.
  • Most of this comes from my publication: "Pemberton And Williams Families, England, Rhode Island and Virginia," published in 1992. I sent a copy of this to the Roger Williams Family Association, Rhode Island and they consider it to be the most inclusive publication that they have.

Williams Line Number 1

1st Generation

  • James Williams married Alice Pemberton, daughter of Robert and Katherine (Stokes) Pemberton. Alice was baptized 18 Feb 1564/5, St. Albans Abbey, Hertsfordshire, England and died 1 Aug (or May?) 1634/5, London; buried St. Sepulchre church. Will: 1 Aug 1634 -26 Jan 1634/5, P.C.C. Vol. 27, page 12 James Williams, was born @1562/66, probably at St. Albans, lived at Cow Lane, St. Sepulchres-Without-Newgate parish, London and died @1621, London. His will: 7 Sep 1620 -19 Nov 1621, P.C.C. Vol. 24, page 50. (printed in NEHGR 43: 291-92).
  • The antecedant background for James Williams is still very vague and unproven. Some researchers maintain that this line, originally, came from Wales and not from the Hertsfordshire area of England. My primary data is obtained from the records of G. Andrews Moriarty, a famous genealogist in England, published in the "New England Historical and Genealogical Register," Vol. 47 and from Henry Fitzgerald Waters; "Genealogical Gleanings in England" published in the Register, Vol. 43 etc. Waters was a very famous genealogical researcher and was a Williams Descendant, also.
  • Moriarty: "It will thus be seen that a good deal is known about the maternal ancestry of Roger Williams (of Rhode Island--brother of our Shadrack Williams). But, up to date, nothing has been learned concerning the parentage of his father: James Williams (I). The latter, (James) was admitted free of the Merchant Taylor's Company, by servitude on 7 Apr 1587, a date when he must have been about 21 years of age. (MPM: ages accepted by the Guild of Merchant Taylors was 7-21 years.) He lived in Cow Lane within the parish of St. Sepulchres Without Newgate in London. It is reasonable to suppose, however, that he had a connection with St.Albans, where he had found his wife.
  • Moriarty: James Williams may have come from the west in Gloucestshire, near the Welsh border. (MPM: The St. Albans Pemberton families supposedly came from Cheshire area, England.)
  • Moriarty: "the following items, taken from the Hertsfordshire records, were printed in the "Herts. Genealogist and Antiquary." They seem suggestive, although they do not prove anything regarding the parentage of James Williams. They are, however, useful as a basis for further research in the paternal ancestry of Roger Williams, of Rhode Island. (MPM: also for Shadrach/Sidrach Williams). "Subsidy for Herts. 37 Henry VIII (1545) Tring Magna, James Williams, Gent...taxed 4s...(Herts. Gen. and Ant., Vol. II, p. 27) (MPM: Tring was small town few miles NorthWest of St. Albans, Hertsfordshire, England)
  • Will of Joan Audley, of Hitchin, co. Herts, widow, dated 14 Mar 1580 & proved on 6 Feb 1583/4. To be buried in Hitchin. To daughter: Joan Audley. To sons: William and John Audley. To daughter: Agnes Williams and to her children, James and Joan. To daughter: Agnes Coop and her children. To son: Robert Papwort and his children and his son: Williams. This will mentions William Audley, my last husband. James Tyde, of Dunstable, executor; son: William Audley. Overseers: Son- Robert Papworth and friend Mr. Thomas Parrys. (Herts, Gen. and Ant. Vol. II, p. 229)
  • "Subsidy for Herts, 37 Jenry VIII (1545) Hitchin, viii." William Audley, taxed 40s (ibid, Vol. I, p. 329) Herts-Feet of Fines: Hilary Term 25 Elizabeth (1582/3) John Bowyer, Esq. querant and William Audley and Mark Williams and Agnes, his wife, deforciants. A message in Hitchen alias Hutchyn. (ibid. Vol. II, p. 307)
  • From Moriarty: "It may be suggested that James Williams, of Tryng Magna in 1545, was the father of Mark Williams, who married Agnes Audley, daughter of William and Joan Audley of Hitchin and had issue James and Joan Williams, who were evidently young in 1581. This James Williams may be identical with James Williams, who was admitted to the Merchant Taylor Company in 1587 and is the known father of the founder of Providence, R.I"
  • Another interesting will, of Margery Pate, dated 22 Sep 1617 of St. Pulkers (St. Sepulchers Parish, London) confirms the children of James and Alice (Pemberton) Williams. I have been unable to find any definite connection of the Williams Family to the other individuals named in her will with the exception of the Lide (pronounced Lloyd) family members. The widow of Roger Williams, son of Shadrack and grandson of James/Alice Williams, late intermarried with a Lloyd family in Virginia. Since Margery ( ) Quille/Pate leaves legacies to James and Alice Williams and to three of their children (she does not mention Sidrach/Shadrack), I would assume a close relationship and perhaps even a sister (???) of James Williams.
  • Will: Weldon 100 (P.C.C. = Perogative court) "Margery Pate, of the parish of St. Pulkers, London, widow, 22 September 1617, and proved 2 Oct 1617. My body to be buried within the church of St. Pulckers, near unto my former husband Richard Quille. To my godson: John Miller, to Hudson Miller, to Anne Miller wife of Thomas Miller, to my cousin Thomas Miller and to his daughter...to Judith Claxton and to her daughter Ann Nicholes...to Elsieh Pynnocke and to Robert Lide...to James Williams, twenty shillings to Alice Williams, wife unto James Williams, twenty shillings. To Alice Quille (Certain household goods and wearing apparel) To Elizabeth Albrocke...to Elizabeth Lide wife unto Henry Lide and to Henry, James, Maurice and Cassandra Lide, children unto Henry Lide....to Roger Williams, son of the said James Williams, twenty shillings to Robert Williams, son of the said James Williams, twenty shillings and to Katherine Williams, daughter of the said James Williams, twenty shillings. To Elizabeth and Sarah Webster, daughters of John Webster and John Webster, his son and the rest of Webster's children...to Edward Goodcoole, Richard Bradley, Elizabeth Younge, widow and Michael Bolton. Henry Lide, of Westminster, Esq, to be sole executor and James Williams of St. Pulkers, Merchant Taylor, Overseer."
  • James Williams was called by titles of Citizen, Merchant Taylor and Turkey Merchant in various documents. The following information is pertinent to this discussion. Henry F. Waters --"Genealogical Gleanings....p. 427, dated 1889... "On the above named pages, the Rev. Roger Williams (of St .Albans)...George Fxo dig'd out of his Burrowes" (Published Nar. Club, vo. v, p. 146) is quoted to show that Roger Williams had a brother, who was a Turkey Merchant...On page 299, Henry F. Waters furnished reasons for thinking that this Turkey Merchant may have been Sidrack, son of James Williams of London. The editor of the "Register" sent a copy of the July number containing this matter to the clerk of the Merchant Taylor[s Company, of London, asking for entries in the Company's books about Sidrack Williams and his father: James Williams, both Freeman of that Company and asking also if there was any evidence on the books that Sidrack Williams was a Turkey Merchant" He receive the following reply: "Merchant Taylor's Hall, London, E.C. 31 Aug 1889 (MPM: I visited this Hall in London a few years ago...still an active Guild...I was not able to obtain any records there since they were getting ready for a banquet that night and I was very short of time.)
  • James Williams married Alice Pemberton, d/o Robert, January 2, 1597 St. Albans, Hertfordshire. Their children: Sydrach Williams (1599 - 1647) [2]
  • Roger Williams (1602 - 1683) [3]
  • Robert
  • Catherine
  • Father of Roger Williams: champion of religious freedom in America. Founder of the first Baptist church in America. Founder of Rhode Island.
  • His will, proven 19 November 1621, left, in addition to bequests to his "loving wife, Alice," to his sons, Sydrach, Roger and Robert, and to his daughter Catherine, money and bread to the poor in various sections of London.

Research Notes

Birth year: This profile, which had been attached as son of Mark and Agnes (Audley) Williams, had a birth year of 1582. Although this profile had the same death date as James Williams-1399, also attached as their son, this profile was set adrift. Although it's possible this was a son of Williams-1399 who is not noted in his biography, it is more likely that 1582 was a typo (or an incorrect guess). Based on the following (from Williams-1399) and to facilitate the merge with Williams-1399, the birth year for this profile (Williams-61832) was changed from 1582 to 1562. ~ Noland-165 14:26, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

"Will of Joan Audley, of Hitchin, co. Herts, widow, dated 14 Mar 1580 & proved on 6 Feb 1583/4. To be buried in Hitchin. To daughter: Joan Audley. To sons: William and John Audley. To daughter: Agnes Williams and to her children, James and Joan. To daughter: Agnes Coop and her children. To son: Robert Papwort and his children and his son: Williams. This will mentions William Audley, my last husband. James Tyde, of Dunstable, executor; son: William Audley. Overseers: Son- Robert Papworth and friend Mr. Thomas Parrys. (Herts, Gen. and Ant. Vol. II, p. 229) "

Sources

  1. Com. Court of London, Vol. 24, fol. 50 (printed in NEHGR 43: 291-92).
  2. https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=217209533 Updated 26 August 2021.
  3. https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=1110

Acknowledgements

  • WIkiTree profile created through the import of greenwald-millerGEDCOM.ged on September 27, 2010.
  • WIkiTree profile Williams-4924 created through the import of McDonald Family Tree_Wiki_2011-05-28.ged on May 29, 2011 by HB McDonald.
  • WikiTree profile Williams-6984 created through the import of HUNTER FAMILY TREE (3).ged on August 27, 2011 by Restricted Hunter.
  • WikiTree profile Williams-25494 was created by Roger Williams through the import of Roger C Williams 8th Gen.ged on August 4, 2014.
  • Profile created by Nathan Pyles through the import of 2018Jan27-Pyles-Gardiner-Allie.ged on Mar 6, 2018.




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That this James Williams is different from the James Williams of the will of Joan Audley is suggested by the fact that Hitchin records indicate that in early 1604/1605 Agnes, then James, and finally Mark all died and were buried. James, son of Mark, died in 1604/1605 and could not have been the James Williams who dies later in London. I found the records on findmypast.com. They also have the baptismal record of James, son of Mark.
posted by Ian Brown
There is an extensive discussion about how little is known about this James Williams. There is nothing here to connect this James Williams to the James Williams in the will of Joan Audley. So why are there parents attached?

https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/new-england-historical-and-genealogical-register/image?volumeId=11579&pageName=176 the author says “they do not prove anything regarding the parentage of James Williams”.

posted by M Smith
edited by M Smith
I adjusted death date to after the date of his will 7 Sep 1620. Proved Date: November 19, 1621. Added Source into notes: Com. Court of London, Vol. 24, fol. 50 (printed in NEHGR 43: 291-92).
posted by Beryl Meehan
Hi all, as part of the Hertfordshire Team and the England Project I'm going to start taking a look at the Williams line, starting with James and working backwards in time. Living in Hertfordshire, and with access to the archives in London, I hope I can assist in getting to the bottom of some of the questions you all have and to get this profile into some semblance of a fully-formed biography with inline sources.

I do know that James was a Merchant Taylor and that the minutes of their meetings are conveniently complete from 1562 onwards. They are stored in the Guildhall in London under the care of the London Metropolitan Archives and I can view the collection with prior arrangement (although I will e-mail to confirm before I go). This will probably be in the next few weeks.

Susie

posted by Susie MacLeod
Did you have any luck with the Merchant Tailors Guild?
posted by Beryl Meehan
Williams-61832 and Williams-1399 appear to represent the same person because: Williams-61832 was removed as a son but I think that the profile should instead be merged with the profile for the son that was left (Williams-1399). Please take a look (since death dates matched, I changed 1582 birth for Williams-61832 to 1562 to match Williams-1399).
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Do you mean birth 1562?

Then please merge with Williams-1399

posted by Beryl Meehan
Williams-25494 and Williams-1399 appear to represent the same person because: Hi, profile managers to review whether we are dealing with same person given that fathers may be same person. Same death date but different birth dates.
posted by Stuart Hague
Williams-49531 and Williams-1399 appear to represent the same person because: This clear duplicate is listed both as the father of Roger Williams. Please merge.
posted by John Martin
Williams-49531 and Williams-1399 appear to represent the same person because: Same data and child

Rejected matches › James Williams (abt.1650-)

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