Kobel Confusion

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I've got myself a bit confused about one of the Kobels in my family tree.  Basically, the dates are all over the place.

Andre (various spellings) Kobel was born in 1728 (no real source on that except what it says on FamilySearch).  He married a Eva Marie Schaffer (variations on the spelling of her last name), she passed away and he remarried.  His second wife bore children that are applicable to my side.  

But in researching his first wife, I get all sorts of contradictory information.

So here is his Marriage info from the source (sorry the fonts may change because of the pasting from the source)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J488-QJ7?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=L2FV-6W8

Name: Andreae Kobel
Sex: Male
Wife: Annae Clarae
Son: Andreas Kobel

Other information in the record of Andreas Kobel and Maria Eva Schaeffer

from Deutschland Heiraten

Name: Andreas Kobel
Spouse's Name: Maria Eva Schaeffer
Event Date: 25 Nov 1755
Event Place: Rodalben, Bayern, Germany
Father's Name: Andreae Kobel
Mother's Name: Annae Clarae
Spouse's Father's Name: Joannis Adam Schaeffer
Spouse's Mother's Name: Annae Mariae

Citing this Record

"Deutschland Heiraten, 1558-1929," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J488-QJ7 : 11 February 2018), Andreae Kobel in entry for Andreas Kobel and Maria Eva Schaeffer, 25 Nov 1755; citing Rodalben, Bayern, Germany; FHL microfilm 247,660.

Fair enough.  But when I click on her father, I get a Christening record for her

Name: Joannis Adami Schaeffer
Sex: Male
Wife: Annae Mariae
Daughter: Maria Eva Schaeffer

Other information in the record of Maria Eva Schaeffer

from Deutschland Geburten und Taufen

Name: Maria Eva Schaeffer
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 03 Feb 1760
Christening Place: ROEMISCH-KATHOLISCHE,ARZHEIM,PFALZ,BAVARIA
Father's Name: Joannis Adami Schaeffer
Mother's Name: Annae Mariae

"Deutschland Geburten und Taufen, 1558-1898," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVB7-2VQ : 10 February 2018), Joannis Adami Schaeffer in entry for Maria Eva Schaeffer, 03 Feb 1760; citing ; FHL microfilm 247,581.

so it shows her as 1760-which doesn't make sense-I thought maybe she converted to Catholicism on that date perhaps..but then I see this for his marriage

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J4ZR-8CS?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=M9HV-78W

Name: Joannes Adamus Schaeffer
Spouse's Name: Anna Maria Fertig
Event Date: 18 Apr 1758
Event Place: Buchen, Baden, Germany
Father's Name: Michaelis Schaeffer
Mother's Name: Ursulae
Spouse's Father's Name: Gabrielis Fertig
Spouse's Mother's Name: Ursulae

"Deutschland Heiraten, 1558-1929," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J4ZR-8CS : 11 February 2018), Joannes Adamus Schaeffer and Anna Maria Fertig, 18 Apr 1758; citing Buchen, Baden, Germany; FHL microfilm 1,046,999.

So I am mixed up big time somewhere.

in Genealogy Help by Kevin Dean G2G1 (1.3k points)

1 Answer

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Those are three different areas of Germany: See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_Germany

Baden-Württemberg 

Phienland-Pfaltz

Bavaria

by Connie Graham G2G6 Mach 2 (29.3k points)
sorry-it's hard to keep clear

First citation -  Andreae Kobel is father of Andreas Kobel (Andreas born in 1728) witnessing the marriage

Second is the alleged christening date of Marie Eva Schaffer

The third is the marriage between Adam Schaffer and Ann Marie

All the spellings are very confusing.  I guess they didn't have standardized spellings in Germany back then?
Europe wasn't like America in that era.  It had been a rabbit warren for centuries already.

Glancing through FamilySearch, there were Joannes Adamus Schaeffers and Maria Eva Schaffers getting christened and married in all of those places (and many more places).  So we're dealing with separate families, not one person moving around.

In Rodalben, there were two Joannes Adamus Schaeffers married in the early 1760s.  But the father of the Maria Eva christened at Arzheim was most likely the one christened at the same church in 1738.  Or his cousin of the same name in the same town.
Yes, clearly several different families. Also the spelling variations are not as varied as it seems. The records are in Latin and names have different endings depending on whether it is subject of the verb, object of the verb or a preposition or if it is possessive.  Latin Joannis is same as German Johannes.

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