Where would you prefer to see photos -- on profile page and/or on Photo tab?

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Spencer-753 has many photos associated with it. Because of the interface, design, these photos "push" questions/discussion about the profile WAY down to the lower right and most people will never go down that far to read what is, in this case, very important information. Unless there's a good reason for keeping it the way it is, can't these photos be moved below the commentary?


I also wonder why, given that there IS a photo tab, why photos also appear on the profile page as well. Does anyone else find that these clutter the profile?

Related: is there a way to attach photos to a profile, but limit their display to the Photos tab? i.e., a check box so the PM can have better control over how the photos are displayed? (Chris said no.)

Thanks.

[Edited question per Chris's suggestion.]

in WikiTree Tech by Jillaine Smith G2G6 Pilot (917k points)
edited by Keith Hathaway
Hi Jillaine,

The answer to the "related" question is no.

You might want to edit the main question to emphasize whether WikiTreers want to see the photos above the comments, or on the main profile pages at all. I'd be interested to see how people feel.

However, I suspect there is a difference between how active Wiki Genealogists feel vs. our family members. When my family members browse profiles, photos are practically all they want to see. Although it's active genealogists like us that create the profiles, we always want to keep in mind that we're not the only audience for them.

We could always get complicated and show Wiki Genealogists a different display, and/or show something different on Open profiles. We do a lot of this sort of thing. However, this sort of thing often adds confusion.

Chris
Chris,

If we could encourage people to imbed photos into the narrative, then they'd get photos on the main page. But it needs to be implemented in a way that doesn'tn repeat the photos also in the right column.  See below for examples. The freespace page that Rob points to is great exceptp for the fact that the imbedded photos are repeated in the right-hand column.
Flagging this to get Chris's attention on my last question.
I personally like to see the photos down the right with an uncluttered bio. as in this example: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Russell-11351. Most of the bios I see with all the styling "bells and whistles" put me off reading.

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Jillaine,

This is an excellent question, and your example gave me a number of different items to discuss.

1. I think we can get rid of the 'photo frame' on the right hand side of the page entirely, and use primarily the photo tab, with selected images embedded in the profile narrative.

Even without embedding photos in the narrrative, the profile page still has visual interest from the background (if used) and the primary photo (if chosen) that appears next to the Profile Name. In the example John Spencer profile, the coat of arms, and the picture of St. George's chuch would be great embedded in the narrative, to add visual interest. (the coat of arms at the top of the narrative, and the church in the paragraph where it is discussed.) An additional benefit is that it gives the profile authors control over how the images are presented and how they support the text.

As an aside I had always thought it was odd when there is only one photo (and it is set as primary) that there was a small image up top and the exact same one right there on the right.

2. I would (if possible) give the 'Questions and comments frame' a maximum relative width so that the bio narrative always has at least 50% of the screen real estate. It just looks off having the 'meat and potatoes' of the profile squeezed out by the comments.

3. On the edit page, where the reminder of how to add links is, we could add 'how to embed images'  (Example: [[image:sproul-69.jpg|200px|David Sproul Sr.]]) to encourage users to use this feature to add visual elements that give the profile a finished look and aesthetic that provides the appeal that Chris talked about for the family members that browse.

4. On the photos page, add a reminder that .pdf documents can be uploaded, and are usually a better choice for book excerpts, rather than images of individual pages.

It would be a lot of work initially to select and embed existing photos in the narratives, but personally I think many of the profiles would 'shine that much brighter' for the effort.

by Rob Ton G2G6 Pilot (293k points)
selected by Living Barnett

ADDENDUM: For any users that have not seen images embedded in the narrative, I'll share a link to a free space profile by Sheila Smail that illustrates how the images work more closely with the text. (I am sure there are many great examples - I just have this one at hand)

http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Space:Packer_family_portraits&public=1

A trip to the coffee shop spurred one further suggestion:

5. To make the above idea one touch easier, on the photo info/edit/upload page put a preformatted link that can be copy/pasted into the bio. For example the coat of arms on John Spencer's profile here: http://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Spencer-753-1 would have an entry in the list of image details:

Internal link: [[image:spencer-753-1.jpg|300px|John Spencer Image 15]]

This simply presents the actual file name required, a default size of 300 pixels wide, and the photo's title; The user can then adjust the size and the caption as needed.

I like this, I am reluctant to embed pictures in the narrative because they are currently also in the 'photo frame' and displaying them twice is like the primary picture being displayed twice.
I have just reworked my profile of the Week entry for next week adding pictures to the narrative text, it improves the biography narrative immensly but the text box looks really cramped, I think the minimum 50% proposed by Rob is still to small, 60% minimum would be better. And as the pictures have to remain on the profile page could they be reduced to thumnails, as well as being under the questions/discussion section?

Having bigger pictures in the narrative might encourage people to write narratives, if only to show off the pictures.
Love all these ideas, Rob. And yes, Rhian, it would only make sense to imbed photos in the narrative if they did not also show up on the right-hand side.

Frankly, I'd like to rid the right-hand column of any photos, and use the photos tab for that purpose or imbed photos into the narrative as Rob suggests.

Rob, the width of any column is controlled by what's typed into it. The problem with wide comments column is when people paste a URL into the comment text instead of  using the appropriate wiki code to create a hyperlink.

It's not clear to me if PMs can edit others' comments to fix such things.
Jillaine,

Glad you like my musings ;)

The width of the columns and rows should be able to be have min-width and max-width settings applied to them in the stylesheets. I am not a web designer, but my understanding is that a setting such as "display: inline-block;" (instead of for example "display: table-row") within a table can cause the columns and rows to not 'obey' the column widths that have been set resulting in a situation like the one that currently exists here where the columns are not obeying the <td class = "column" width = "50%"> that has been specified and instead entered text is controlling the column width. Incidentally, I think setting min and max widths would be better than straight-up dividing the page with a fixed 50% width column.

Given that w3schools reports that 99% of internet users have a screen resolution of 1024x768 or better I think a min-width of 600px for the left (narrative) column would be appropriate, and the right column should have a min-width of 300px (forcing a tiny amount of panning on resolutions less than 1024x768) and a max-width of 40%.

If you look at http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Grist-131 (my entry for Profile of the Week this coming week) there are no comments but the right column is taking up half the screen making the narrative look squeezed in. The was a g2g question that was on the right, and a bit long that might have stretched right column but I edited to make it shorter and that did not help.

Not sure about editing others comments, I think you can but cannot find one now to check, the PM can delete comments though.

It should be faily simple to set the screen to a minimum 60% for the narrative, but perhaps that would automatically happen if the pictures were thumbnails.

Rhian,

Until the columns obey the specified width settings you should be able to 'bully' the narrative to a desired minimum width either by embedding an image of the desired minimum width or by dropping the following code into the narrative, adjusting the pixel width as desired:

<div style="float:left; width:800px; height:1px; margin: auto"></div></div><div style="clear:both;"></div>

Be warned this may(will) cause the need to pan right to see the questions and comments column fully, depending on what resolution you are working at.

An extra </div> crept in, it should be

<div style="float:left; width:800 px; height:1px; margin: auto"></div><div style="clear:both;"></div>

I does improve the display, no problem for me with scrolling, but need to check on a small screen to be sure it OK.
Impressive profile, Rhian!

Am I the only one seeing https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Noyes-1522 when I click on the Grist-131 link?

Just wondering.

-

The mystery is solved - this is an old thread that was revived. The Grist-131 profile was merged away!

You're not alone.
Just noticed that this is an old thread from 2013!

Oh, and you started it, Jillaine!!
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I think the photo tab and not the profile.
by Living Barnett G2G6 Pilot (505k points)

I vote for the moving most images under the Images tab (perhaps with a new Photos tab for actual photos), especially when the images are not actually photos but scans of text-heavy documents.

I also feel we (meaning Chris and the Cracker-Jaxx, our awesome tech team!!) should "get complicated" and create a public view that is less genealogist-geeky and more family-finds-attractive-and-understandable-(y). I think that's what David Thomson was asking in this thread:

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/367781/interface-average-people-visiting-wikitree-explore-family

We should strip off some of the "back-end" stuff and present "just the facts" (a la Joe Friday of Dragnet). Jazzed up a bit, of course!

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