Lowest number profile should always be on the bottom

Question

Isn't the lower profile supose to be the maintained profile esp when there has been no research done by the other profile

A merge of William Snider (Snider-1924) and William Snyder (Snyder-4794) was just completed by Gerald Jones.

Please see https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Snyder-4794 for the merged profile.

Now that the merge is complete it's important to integrate the merged biography and sources. Even if Gerald has already done some editing you'll want to doublecheck the basic data and appearance of things.

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Hi JD,

That's because LNABs Snider and Snyder are different.

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If you look at the major source for reference Snyder is not included. It is the same family. https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/4/4c/Snider-801.pdf

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JD,

Snider is one of the "Other Last Names" on the profile.

If you want to make Snider the LNAB for the profile, you are PM of the profile, so you are able to "Fix the Last Name at Birth": On Edit mode, click on [edit] aside the small green question mark in front of "Last Name at Birth: Snyder".

Also change the "Current Last Name" to Snider. Then replace Snider with Snyder on the "Other Last Names" field.

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JD;

I've just read your comments to Emma.

It might be the person completing the merge made an unintended mistake.

I'd like to ask you to consider the points III and IV of our Honor Code:

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III. We know mistakes are inevitable. We don't want to be afraid to make them. We assume that mistakes are unintentional when others make them and ask for the same understanding.

IV. We know misunderstandings are inevitable. We try to minimize them by being courteous to everyone, even those who don't act accordingly.

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I hope you could fix the issue.

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Lowest number correct last name at birth is always merged into (on bottom).  That is an important distinction. Honestly, none of these look like German spellings to me. Looks like a better source is needed to determine the last name at birth.

I see - they are second generation. Still, I would like to see a record of some sort. I work on lots of Southern Colonies German immigrants and they do not typically Americanize their name so quickly and drastically.

Answer 1

Not in this case JD because the two profiles had different LNABs (Last Name at Birth).  In this case it went into Snyder-4794 which is the higher number because it was--according to the person creating or completing the merge the correct LNAB.

Comments

Did you read the book cover sheet Snider was the alternative to Schneider not Snyder until later.. Please look at the book cover. You are not applying the rule you are quoting

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JD, I did not complete the merge.  I can only tell you why it is acceptable to have a higher number in the case of this merge.  If you feel the merge was completed giving the incorrect LNAB to this profile, please contact the profile manger of the profile.

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I am the lower numbered profile manager, The book states on its cover page The Schneiders of Germany and The Sniders of South Carolina.

I am a double Snider , my fathers side are Snyders and my Mother's Mothers side are Snider. They did not ask me to complete the merge because they knew I would do it correctly. The person that has the other profile has gone through and rather then asking me to put him on the trusted list he has created duplicates that can be merged incorrectly.

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Ah.  I see your dilemma now.  Have you contacted the other profile manager yet?  

Please read the Problems with Other Members Page and follow the steps so this can be stopped from happening in the future.  If the other member is making merges rapidly that will be difficult to correct, you can file a Mentor Intervention Request mentioned under #4 of this page.

Hope this helps.  I am sorry for this frustrating situation.

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Thank you Emma yes I know our Honor code and I was hoping someone would say I could fix it, the number matters because if others have set up the same profile their number may be lower then Kenneths. I have been polite to Kenneth this is not our first point of contention. In fact I was very polite considering he complained that I had the book and used it as a resource to the man that did the research. I don't know what he said but the man was very upset. I reminded the man that he had given me written permission, hes elderly and he said yes he did remember and for me to continue to use the book. Kenneth and I are kin. He descends from the part of the family that stayed in TX where my group came back to Al, but he is part of my group that did not come back.. I'm going to redo the merge

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I would like to thank everyone for their answers. I researched it and cannot undo the merge so we will live with higher number. I have had several merges done without me know ing anything about them until they are done. If there are only one or two profile managers are they suppose to be able to merged with out the pms agreeing?

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Merges cannot be undone.  The profile will have to be fixed

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They cannot complete a merge without your agreement unless it has been 30 days since the merge was proposed.  Then it goes into default and anyone can complete the merge.  If you are one of the profile managers, you should get an email about the proposed merges.  If you are not, you might check your WikiTree email settings.

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Emma

I never was asked or shown this merger it was the easiest because it is the most recent. Should I do a report about this? I checked my email no prior notification

A merge of William Snider (Snider-1924) and William Snyder (Snyder-4794) was just completed by Gerald Jones. Please see https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Snyder-4794 for the merged profile. Now that the merge is complete it's important to integrate the merged biography and sources. Even if Gerald has already done some editing you'll want to doublecheck the basic data and appearance of things. If you have a little extra time to help connect the human family, click here for more pending merges. Thank you for your genealogical generosity! If you think you got this message in error please contact info@wikitree.com. WikiTree <noreply@wikitree.com> 4:38 PM (3 hours ago)   to me Click here to Reply or Forward 1.89 GB (12%) of 15 GB used Manage Terms - Privacy Last account activity: 0 minutes ago Details

A merge of William Snider (Snider-1924) and William Snyder (Snyder-4794) was just completed by Gerald Jones. Please see https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Snyder-4794 for the merged profile. Now that the merge is complete it's important to integrate the merged biography and sources. Even if Gerald has already done some editing you'll want to doublecheck the basic data and appearance of things. If you have a little extra time to help connect the human family, click here for more pending merges. Thank you for your genealogical generosity! If you think you got this message in error please contact info@wikitree.com. WikiTree <noreply@wikitree.com> 4:38 PM (3 hours ago)   to me Click here to Reply or Forward 1.89 GB (12%) of 15 GB used Manage Terms - Privacy Last account activity: 0 minutes ago Details

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JD you initiated the merge which means anytime he wanted to, he could complete the merge as the 2nd party

15:43: JD Snyder proposed a merge of Snyder-4794 and Snider-1924 with a comment. [Thank JD for this]

This is why you did not get an email about the proposal of the merge, but you did when the merge was completed

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This information is in the changes log on the profile by the way

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When you are proposing to merge two profiles with different spellings for the LNAB, do not assume the merge proposal will automatically go to the lower profile number. It won't -- the person completing the merge needs to decide which spelling to use.

In your message explaining why the merge should occur, indicate which spelling you think should be preferred for the final merged profile and state the reasons for this choice. Make sure that the sources upon which you base your choice are cited in at least one of the profiles.

If there is disagreement regarding spelling, expect to discuss the matter on the profile page (in comment boxes), by email, or in G2G.

If you are nervous about whether the person who completes the merge will make it go in the right direction (for example, if you are a newbie and don't trust yourself to get it right), you can ask for temporary profile protection to ensure that, but the Leader who adds the protection will first want you to convince them that your choice is appropriate.

Answer 2

As I read through this thread, I think I may be seeing a scenario that I have encountered a couple of times in my own tree.  (If I'm missing the boat here, just say so!)  Many generations ago a person or family immigrated to the new world and decided to "Americanize" the spelling of their surname.  Then, as several more generations of descendants came along, and separated geographically, different branches of the family adopted several different spellings of the Americanized version.  (Or some may have reverted back to the original surname.)  All the spellings in use eventually became legal names and appear on official records.

If that is the case, then it's really not correct to say that one particular spelling is right and another is wrong.  It's quite possible that a Snyder may be descended from a Snider.  When a profile is created in WikiTree, the spelling of the surname should be the spelling that the person being profiled used during his or her lifetime, and the spelling that appears in official records.  If the person changed the favored spelling during his lifetime, the LNAB and Current Last Name may be spelled differently, or the Other Last Names field can be used to indicate that.  But he/she should not be shown with an unused spelling just to enforce consistency.  If multiple descendants are now engaged in genealogy and creating profiles, then you need to reach agreement on how/when/where to use each of the spellings that are in current use.

Comments

You are somewhat correct,my point was the leading research which is on the profile, "The Schneiders from Nuttingen Germany and The Sniders in South Carolina"A compilation. Ison the  the first page, we are not disagreeing so much about the name, all three versions are used by the family. I descend from two brothers from back in the 1800's ,my Father's side used Sny, my Mother's side used Sni. My main issue was the merge was done wrong and I did not know about it until it was done so instead of being Snider-129 we are now Snider 4000 plus something. That may seem like it isn't a big deal but it can become important. The other person had no research he created his profile so he could force me into him being a profile manager. What is so bad is I actually am the one that invited him when I met him on My heritage, he had some info wrong and I told him and invited him to wikitree. My entire tree was hacked and put on my heritage. My heritage said they did not do it but it has my personal information on it and they put a note that says this is a living person, they took relatives I didn't even know I had. So I see that as a real issue with wikitree . I don't know who did it but it was 5000 profiles

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Well I suppose I owe me and Kenneth an apology. Maybe the person that finished didn't know the lowest number goes on the bottom,

Thank you for pointing it out and thank all of you nice people for putting forth the effort to help me

Answer 3

The merge goes to the profile with the lower number only when the profiles have the exact same spelling of the Last Name at Birth.

When the two profiles have different LNAB spellings, the merge goes to the spelling that's on the birth record or earliest known spelling the person used, even if that profile has the higher number.

Answer 4

You can fix the LNAB to the correct name and ask for Project Protection and a big red warning about keeping the correct LNAB, can't you ?

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Thank you that is a good idea.