Eva Weber is my brick wall

Question

One of my lines is very stuck in the 1800s.  My great great grandmother is Eva Weber.  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Weber-5077

Born about 12 May 1834 [uncertain] in Hesse Darmstadt Germany  the birth date comes from calculations based on information contained in US Census documents and her obituary.  (She was listed as 71 in 1905) Hesse Darmstadt comes from a US Census Record and we know these may or may not be accurate. May 12 came from a family document that may or may not be accurate. 

Wife of Frederic Walter — married 1 Apr 1854 in St Louis, Missouri  this comes a copy of her marriage record which does not contain parent names (rats!)

Mother of:  (note I have only entered into WikiTree so far Joseph C Walter but will be adding the rest of the children in the next few weeks.  I concentrated on my direct line first...)  The other siblings are: 

Fred (Fritz) (Frederick) (1857-1890)

               Clara (1859-1901)

               Adolph (1862-)

               Caroline (1855-1932)

               Julia Eva (1874-1957)

Joseph was my great grandfather.  1861-1916

All the children were born in St Louis, MO.

AJ Walter a nephew wrote this in a document he put together on the family:  Eva Walter 1834 - 1905

That is it.  That is all I have to go on.  I have looked at a number of sources and it appears there was more than one Eva Weber in the USA at the time my Eva was alive.  

Thanks for any help anyone can give me.  

Answer 1

 

Eva Weber

Deutschland Geburten und Taufen

Name	Eva Weber
Event Date	1834
Gender	Female
Birth Date	17 Nov 1834
Birth Year	1834
Christening Date	23 Nov 1834
Christening Place	Sankt Sebastian, Oppenheim, Hessen, Germany
Father's Name	Christoph Weber
Mother's Name	Anna Maria

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Deutschland Geburten und Taufen, 1558-1898

Reference ID	25
System Origin	Germany-EASy
GS Film Number	1270195
Indexing Project (Batch) Number	C92256-2

Citing this Record

"Deutschland Geburten und Taufen, 1558-1898," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCDJ-KTL : 28 November 2014), Eva Weber, 23 Nov 1834; citing ; FHL microfilm 1,270,195.

Comments

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Walter&GSiman=1&GScid=27534&GRid=157716460&

Eva Weber Walter

Birth: May 12, 1814, GermanyDeath: Oct. 8, 1905
Saint Louis
St. Louis City
Missouri, USA
 
Family links: 
 Spouse:
  Frederick Walter (1824 - 1902)*
 
 Children:
  Caroline Walter Fahlen (1855 - ____)*
 
*Calculated relationship
 Burial:
Bellefontaine Cemetery 
Saint Louis
St. Louis City
Missouri, USA 
Created by: Tulsa90
Record added: Feb 02, 2016 
Find A Grave Memorial# 157716460

Cemetery Photo
Added by: Connie Nisinger

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Thank You and for realizing I had a typo in the birth year.  Yes 1834 is correct.  Do you feel confident this is the Eva who married Fred Walter in St Louis?  I ask because I found on Family Search

Eva with a birth data of 12 May 1834 mother listed as Sophia in Pfungstadt, Hessen (so a contender)

Nov 17 1834 Oppenheim, Hessen  Christopher and wife Anna Marie

I tried looking for a father with the name Joseph or Adolph thinking one of the boys might have been named after a grandfather.  But have had no success.  There are not Christopher's in the family which makes me wonder about it but anything is possible.  There are also no Sophia Walters in our family so I have hesitated to connect anything that is not firm.   

I do appreciate you looking for me I am just not sure if either of these really fit...  sigh... hench she is my brick wall...   Keep hoping to find a family member who will help connect me to her line....

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From the cemetery information, they both are shown to be the parent of Caroline Walter Fahlen born 1855.

With all the information in your question, I feel a little overwhelmed, and hesitate to say that something in particular is etched in granite.

You are closer to this and I would defer to your discernment at this point.

It's interesting that Frederick Walter is shown to have been born in Lorraine, France in the Bellefontaine Cemetery record.

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Fred in one of the census records is listed as born in Elsass which is the German version of Alsace.  Most of his siblings were born in Moselle, Lorraine France.  The brother born after him was born in Ommerscheim, Bayern, Germany.  We have scoured French records and German records where we knew the family lived to no avail.  I think possibly the birth record was destroyed in one of the wars.   

Fred was the grandson of a well known glass maker from Eastern France.

He like many other grand children of glass makers ended up in the Candy business.  Swap sugar for sand.  You use all the same tools.  Ribbon candy is made like ribbon glass, lollipops are like stained glass windows.  taffy is pulled and can be molded like glass.  You get the idea..  chemistry based on fire and temp and how it reacts with different materials...  

Anyway, I know Fred is one of the sons of Adam Leger and Christine Munnichhoffer because he is identified as such by records and letters left by his siblings.  But have never been able to find a real birth record.  I calculate his birth based on obit, death cert (which does name his parents too), census records and the like...  

Thanks again for helping!  Yes this family is at times maddening.  

Fred owned the largest candy factory west of the Mississippi in the late 1800s.  It was sold to National Candy Company (Vincent Price's father was its treasurer or secretary) and then to Mars which was sold I think to Cadbury...

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Interesting that glass processing techniques can translate to candy making.

Alsace-Lorraine is a desirable region and I understand that it changes hands depending on whether France or Germany wins the latest war.

My Koons or Kuhns line is supposed to go back to that region, but I have only traced them back to eastern PA so far. There are many variant spellings of that surname.

Surnamedb.com is a free site which includes about 50,000 surnames. For example, they have http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Weber and http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Walter. They don't have the Bozzay surname.

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I love this cemetery website because it is so interactive and you can see who is buried in the same plot and get dates.  I do have all of this and all the info on the family here in St. Louis.  Unfortunately a lot of info exists from them after they got to the US and married here in St Louis but little exists the I can tie directly to them from their birth to when Fred got her in 1846 on the Argo.  Eva was not on the passenger list so we think he met her in the US.  He lived in NY for a while (Williamsburg NY) before showing up in St Louis and marrying Eva here in 1854.  They married on April Fools Day so I think they probably had a great sense of humor!