Notables Feb 2024 [closed]

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Hear Ye, Hear Ye

If you are interested in people who are famous, notable, noted, significant, important, historic, heroic, or otherwise fascinating, then the Notables Project might be for you! 

The idea behind this post is for anyone who needs help with connecting Notables to the tree to post to this thread and ask for help, or if you want to tell us whom you have successfully connected up, or if you want to join the Notables Project and get a badge. You can j
oin the Notables Project by requesting membership in the  Notables Google Group.  Besides checking out the Notables Project page, don't forget to review the Requirements of Working on Profiles of Notables on WikiTree Page that has updated information. (For ideas on ways to connect unconnected people and branches, see also the Hints and Tips on the Connectors Chat page.)

Notables should fulfill the criteria to have at least one Wikipedia page in any language to qualify as a Notable. But an entry in the country's NATIONAL Who's Who or a NATIONAL Biography is also acceptable as well. 

The Notables team will decide if a Living Notable's Profile can be made Public or not. That means the Notable must have at least 3  Wikipedia Pages in different languages. At least two Wikipedia pages in different languages must also include the name of at least one close or nuclear family member (Specifically parents, siblings, spouse or child). If the page should also happen to list grandparents, aunts/uncles and cousins in the "other relatives" list, those would also be helpful.

PS February is Black History Month

Deaths in January 2024

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_2024#January

closed with the note: End of the Month
in The Tree House by Robynne Lozier G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
closed by Robynne Lozier

I have noted at least two edits to the above post, yet neither edit shows a reason why.  When editing a post - especially someone else's post, or a question - it is a courtesy to every reader that whatever was edited be noted.  In fact, it is in the help page for moderating g2g.  

The edits were not moderation. The alterations were to conform the post to the updated policy by the Notables Project in a post by the Notables Project. For clarity, those requirements are not new to Wikitree. The requirements change the practices of the Notables Project to conform to the Wikitree requirements. Updated Notables Requirements

For those looking for Notable profiles to work on, here are some of this month's Notables activities already in progress. You are welcome to join in:

TV Centenarians (born in 1924)

Super Bowl Legends

Romance Authors

US Governors 

15 Nations Tour Wrap Up

43 Answers

+13 votes
Would love to join the Notables Project. I would specifically like to work on a living notable: Emma Bunton. I understand that there are certain privacy rules around living Notables. How to get started?
by James Burton G2G Crew (590 points)
Emma already has a profile:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bunton-99
Hi James. I've awarded you the Project badge, so welcome to the Notables Team!

For information on Notables, the project, and such go to the top of this page and click on the "Notables Project Page" link as well as the "Requirements of Working on Profiles of Notables" link to find out more. Because there are significant potential legal repercussions of providing incorrect, damaging, or private information about a living person, we cannot provide access to profiles of living Notables to newer members until we have been able to ensure that they can work well with those of the non-living ones. However, there are many ways you can work with either the profile of a living Notable or with their family. In most cases, the family of the living Notable (parents, grandparents, etc.) are deceased, and need development. In many cases, the profile is not connected, so additional family can be added to help connect the profile. If you have information you would like to add to the Notable, you can add comments to the bottom of the profile of the Notable regarding what you would like considered to be added. Keep in mind that any names of non-Notable living persons associated with that Notable should not be used when providing information, unless we have explicit permission from that person, otherwise we could encounter a privacy issue.

Hope that helps. Please let me know if you have further questions. Thanks.
+13 votes
Does this profile qualify as Notable?

[[Myer-921|Charles Solomon Myer Jr. (1904-1974)]]
by Ben Couch G2G6 Mach 2 (20.4k points)
He has a Wikipedia page which is one the criteria for the Notables Sticker. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Myer

I think it does because he is in the Biography & Genealogy Master Index (BGMI).

Hi Ben - we cannot use the BGMI for criteria for considering someone as Notable, as we're using the Wikipedia criteria as our measure of Notability for the project. So there may be some in the BGMI who do not have a Wikipedia page or who may not meet or exceed the Wikipedia standards for Notability. I suspect in most cases they do match up, but just a caution that we should rely upon Wikipedia and not other means. Thanks.
Hi Scott, thanks for the reply. The project leaders may want to review the Standards for Notability. It does say WikiTree has adopted Wikipedia's standards; however, it also says, "WikiTree also accepts anyone from an "official" Dictionary of National Biography (in any language)."

It doesn't matter to me whether or not he qualifies as a Notable. I'm trying to learn all the ins and outs and to learn enough to decide whether or not I want to be part of the project. I have another one to work on next. It is strange though that he wouldn't qualify. In addition to the BGMI, he has he has a Wikipedia page, 2 languages, lasted 17 years in the pros, was the 1935 American League Batting Champion, and arguably should be in the Hall of Fame. You will find both newspaper articles and online blogs debating this issue. A Newspaper.com search on "Buddy Myer" turned up just under 67,000 hits. Search his real name for more. It would be nice if the General Standards were clear. I can't imagine what it takes if it is more than this.

Ben
Hi Ben. Sorry for the confusion. Nancy answered correctly above. Since he has a Wikipedia page, he is a Notable. In theory, it should be that simple. However, I just wanted to point out that BGMI has no bearing on his Notability.

Evidently, nothing about Notability is simple. My first attempt, I estimate was in late August or early September, was Davis-108865. She has a Wikipedia page, but I was shot down quite abruptly, and I felt, rudely so. Now, don't mistake my intentions; I do not mean to come off as impertinent. I'm just trying to learn. I appreciate your time.

Along this line, I must ask, is the BGMI not a Dictionary of National Biography? It references the Biographical Dictionary of American Sports. Baseball. Edited by David L. Porter. New York: Greenwood Press, 1987. (BiDAmSp BB). 

Ben

I see the issue with that one. "She" does not have a Wikipedia page. The Wikipedia page that mentions her is about the 1972 Republican National Convention, and she is only mentioned in the article. The page itself either has to be specifically in her name, or the article has to reference the person within a group in such a way that the person is integral to the group. Like a musical band (for example), where the founding members are named, and yet for some reason, those founding members don't have a Wikipedia page. Then the founding members would generally be considered Notable. However, an add-on musician who toured with the band during one summer would not. So it would depend on their relevance and importance to the group. But a mention in a convention would not.
Ahh, great. Thanks. So where do we stand on Buddy Myer?

He's a Notable based on his Wikipedia page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Myer

Scott, I'm a newbie at this. Please give me some direction. What is the next step? Is there something I do, or does the project take it?

Also, I need to get back to the National Biography issue. I went back up to the top of this page. That lead in restates that a country's Whos Who or national bio is also acceptable:

Notables should fulfill the criteria to have at least one Wikipedia page in any language to qualify as a Notable. But an entry in the country's NATIONAL Who's Who or a NATIONAL Biography is also acceptable as well. 

So, I have two open questions remaining. 1) the bio issue and 2) what's next. Is it on me to find an appropriate sticker to add to the profile? Is that the end of it?
Thanks,
Ben

For the National Dictionary of Biography, there is up to 1 per country that is considered to be a list of people that are Notable to that country. As a result, Wikipedia has given prior acceptance to those persons in this publication. Because the vast majority of them already have profiles in Wikipedia, it does not come up often, but occasionally one person's name appears where they do not have a Wikipedia profile, but are in this publication. The naming convention on each country's version of this varies slightly, but is similar enough to be recognized as their National Dictionary of Biography. For example, I believe the US one is called the American National Biography, but I can't be 100% certain without digging in a bit further. As I said, it rarely comes up.

For the sticker, here are the detailed instructions for what to do with a Notable profile. These come straight out of our help page, that's in the top of our monthly G2G. As it relates to the profile you created, you appear to have done steps 1-6. I'd look at step 7 (add WikiTree to WikiData), step 8 (add Notables Sticker), I'd review step 9 (add Categories) to see if any more apply, and that might be it. But take a look and see if you have questions.

Ok, thanks. I did not know that the reference to "a National Biography" was to a particular book. I added his Wikitree id to Wikidata last night. If you are referring to something else, you might want to mention it, or I will not know to get it done. I added a notables sticker.

Thanks,

Ben
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The Notables Project Leaders are pleased to announce that Margaret Haining is now a project coordinator for the Project. She will be working on living notables.

Welcome Margaret!
by Russell Butler G2G6 Pilot (149k points)
+11 votes
I have profiles for two brothers who both have Wikipedia pages (linked in their source references) but I'm not sure if they count as notables and if they do if I'm supposed to mark them as such?

Nigel Cyprian Bridge - Baron Bridge of Harwich (Bridge-2830)

Antony Cyprian Bridge - Dean of Guildford (Bridge-2833)
by Carla Knight G2G4 (4.9k points)
If they have a Wikipedia page, then they are automatically considered Notable. I have added the sticker and the only other thing missing was a reference to Wikidata. That was also added at the bottom of their page. Thanks!

Thanks for the info and taking care of the housekeeping for me smiley

+9 votes

Carl Andre was a living notable with PPP status. He died last month.

Brooke Mackenzie Ellison was a disability rights advocate. I was able to connect her.

by Melissa Arjona G2G6 Mach 5 (58.1k points)
+9 votes
I was just doing some deep diving as i usually do and I came across a profile that needs to be updated.

Michael Rockefeller. (born 1938, disappeared 1961)

and yes he does have a wikipedia page and a profile

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Rockefeller-33

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rockefeller

The PM's last activity was in 2020/21 and this profile has green privacy.

Any chance that an Admin can at least update this profile, even if it has to stay green?

Thanks.
by Robynne Lozier G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
I'll put in a TL request and if there is no response from that request, then we generally try to follow the rules as to giving the PM a chance to respond. If they don't respond within the 7 days, we can request an admin to open it and provide access to the profile. But I'll get the process started today. Thanks!
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by Jelena Eckstädt G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
Thanks, Jelena. Her profile has been opened for editing.

Considering her son Hubertus von Hohenlohe as he is known in Germany, there can be added several Sports categories for him.

Skiing; Olympian Representing Mexico; Participant of Olympic Games in

1984 Sarajevo

1988 Calgary

1992 Albertville

1994 Lillehammer

2010 Vancouver

2014 Sochi

Got it - I think I got them all, but please check to see if I missed any. Thank you!
looks good
+10 votes
I believe I have successfully completed another:

[[Myrick-1418|Robert Howard Myrick Jr. (1952-2012)]]

Ben
by Ben Couch G2G6 Mach 2 (20.4k points)
Looks nice, Ben. Thanks! The only item I'd hunt for (if it's available) would be a photo, but public domain photos are sometimes a bit scarce on some people.
Thanks, yes, I couldn't find one in the public domain.
I added a photo I found on Pinterest and cropped it. It was not used as one of his baseball cards.
Nice!

Thanks,

Ben
+10 votes
I love to join the notables lots of excellent TV centenarians  that is the ones not connected yet.
by Anne Fiordalisi G2G6 Mach 6 (66.9k points)
Welcome to the Notables Team, Anne! Be sure to review the links in the opening post, and let us know if you have any questions. Thanks!
+9 votes
I am helping connecting Marjorie Redmond -1493 her late husband Jack Weinstein aka Weston-388. He should be part of the notables list of Entertainers section.
by Anne Fiordalisi G2G6 Mach 6 (66.9k points)
+12 votes

Hi Scott Fulkerson, can you add (link) the parents of the director Sam Mendes (Mendes-83)?

Their profiles are: Mendes-831 and Barnett-16059

With that link the notable Trinidadian and Tobagonian novelist Alfred Mendes (Mendes-400) will also be connected.

Thanks

by Anonymous Anonymous G2G6 Mach 1 (18.2k points)
Well - no. Both appear to be living and I'd have to have access to them first, before I can add them. I'll put in TL requests and have to wait for those to be fulfilled. Thanks.
Huh - now I've never seen that before. When I tried to add them, it indicated they were "Private", but it still let me add them. Oh well - it should be done now, and I'm sure the connection will update tonight.

Thanks.

Valerie Mendes (Barnett-16059), Sam Mendes' mother could, or should, have a notable sticker and be opened for view? She is a novelist and poet, with Wikipedia pages in 3 languages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Mendes

At first, I wasn't sure. They also have to have nuclear family mentioned in 2 languages. English was no issue. Arabic had very little information - almost a placeholder. but Espanol appears to have intentionally excluded the names of her parents, but "did" include Sam - who would be nuclear family. So she does qualify. I'll work on getting her opened. Good catch! Thanks!
+12 votes

Michael D. Higgins, President of Ireland, is now connected (or will be when the system updates).

The information necessary to connect him was here in G2G since 2017!

by Paddy Waldron G2G6 Mach 6 (62.7k points)
Nice work, Paddy! Thanks!
+9 votes
Actor Gary Graham died in January aged 73.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Graham

There are several black listed profiles of Living Graham born in the 1950s.

This actor was in Star Trek Enterprise Series and the Alien Nations Series.
by Robynne Lozier G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
Thanks, Robynne!
+8 votes
Hydeia Broadbent, AIDS/HIV activist has died. She was 39 years old. I think she may also have had AIDS since she was a baby.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydeia_Broadbent

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/hydeia-broadbent-teamed-magic-johnson-004445399.html
by Robynne Lozier G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
She was adopted - her birth parents are unknown. Her bio mother also had HIV/AIDs. She has one brother also born with AIDS.

This one may be hard to find...
It's always tragic when children are the recipient of a disease at birth that it seems they should never had to suffer in the first place. Good for her that she used that to bring attention to the disease and expand awareness in the search for a cure. Amazing that with the medications we have now that it is helping tremendously those who have the disease, but still sad that we're still hunting for a way to irradicate it. Maybe one day...
+10 votes

The Hockey player Jean-Guy Talbot died.

by Jelena Eckstädt G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
Wow - 91 years old. And one of the last players to have accomplished a 5-consecutive Cup win with a team.
+11 votes
I would love to join the Notables Project!  I'm mostly working on growing my CC7 by adding links in spider-like fashion, but every once in a while I like to add links to notables that are on my mind, randomly, including some that I'm related to.

I'd love to be able to add some connections especially for reasonably close relatives of mine like https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lawrence-5315 that have missing links that are locked to editing by the general public.

By the way, when I click on the Google group link, I get an error message- anyone else?
by Dan Culp G2G3 (4.0k points)
Dan,

What space page are clicking the list where you get the error?

Do you have any other Google Groups currently? It normally works easily for those who have Gmail.  If you don't have Gmail, you may just need to create a free Google Groups account for an email that is other than Gmail.
I see the error, but am not sure how to fix it. In the main message for the G2G thread (at the top), there's a link for "Notables Google Group" - it currently points to "wtnotables". Apparently that link goes nowhere. I guess we'll need to point it specifically to the Google Group, which I'm not sure of the correct link to use.
OK - found the correct link and updated the message at the top. It should work now. Thanks for finding that one Dan! I'll get the badge to you shortly.
Badge awarded. Welcome to the Notables Team, Dan!
+10 votes
Ilana Kloss (Kloss-241), former tennis pro and Billie Jean King's wife, and needs PPP status. I've already added Notables acct as manager.
by Melissa Arjona G2G6 Mach 5 (58.1k points)

Billie Jean's brother is also a notable (Major League Baseball), but his profile needs to be created.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Moffitt

+9 votes
Would [[Calato-4|Joseph D Calato (1921-2023)]] qualify as Notable?

He does not have a Wikipedia article himself, but his company does have a short one, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regal_Tip , and he is in the Percussive Arts Society Hall of Fame.
by Vik-Thor Rose G2G6 Mach 3 (34.9k points)
I was told that it is the individual who must have the Wikiipedia page, not the Group or event itself.

I had a similar situation with a family being murdered. The Family gets a page but not the Individual members. And because the members dont get their own page, they are not considered to be notable. The Killer however is notable because yes he did previously have his own page.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bain-1194
He's one of those that we would have to determine based on his WikiTree page since he has no Wikipedia page. If someone wanted to attempt to qualify him for Notable status, we would need several things.

1) A complete biography, with records of what he did in his life including all his Notable acts.

2) A clear source for each and all key facts, with a minimum of 3 clear sources that are not duplicates of each other. These can be online or offline, although it's easier to validate against online resources if they are available. However, if a better offline source is used (physical book, offline interview, or something along these lines), then it can take longer to validate information.

3) A statement of Notability, indicating what he did in his life that was Notable.

Note that Notability is not just having had an innovation in a type of drumsticks, but things like what did he do with the innovation, how did it affect the industry, did he make money from it and how much, since he made a company, did the company do well, did he keep the company or sell it, what was the company worth at the time of his passing (if that information is available), who took over when he died, and on and on. If he just (for example) invented a cool new type of drumstick, never invented anything else, and someone else perfected the same type of drumstick later with a better version, and his company ultimately sank into bankruptcy or near obscurity, then these stories need to be told as well. I don't know if he succeeded or failed, was rich or poor, or if famous drummers swore by his sticks and wouldn't use anything else. So that's the type of thing we'd want to capture.

It can be work to put together a properly prepared biography that captures all the key ingredients for a Notable, but it can be done if you have an interest.
+8 votes
Star Trek Discovery and Canadian Actor Kennth Mitchell Died of ALS this month.. He was 49 years old.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/entertainment/kenneth-mitchell-star-trek-discovery-184529832.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Mitchell_(actor)
by Robynne Lozier G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
+8 votes

Hi, Castro_Ruz-2 seams to be the profile of the Cuban president Raúl Castro, but it is not open for view.

Because the profile owner (Jill (Turkington) Lee) looks like is not active anymore (last contribution was on 2021/3/17), It would be possible the Notables Project take over the profile and open it for view?

Note: Raúl Castro has Wikipedia pages in 96 languages.

by Anonymous Anonymous G2G6 Mach 1 (18.2k points)
Jill created a large number of Notables and she is no longer active - agreed. I'll see what I can do to track it down. And I was able to adopt his wife who is deceased, who allowed me to confirm that this is indeed Raul Castro.

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