Thomas Parry BN/CHR 1789 Kilpeck Herefordshire

Question

IS THIS PERSON THE ONE YOU'RE INTERESTED IN ? IF SO I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY INFO YOU MAY HAVE. OCCUPATION - MASON ( stonemason ). cheers !! Bruce Parry Australia

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I believe the Thomas Parry referred to in the question and the Thomas Parry, father of the James Parry that the question has been attached to, are two different Thomas Parrys.

The Thomas Parry born in Kilpeck, Herefordshire is in Llanwarne in the 1841 and 1851 censuses, and Much Birch in the 1861 (1841: HO107/Piece 432 Book 16, Folio 8, Page 11; 1851: HO107/1976/556/11; 1861: RG9/1816/37/3)

The Thomas Parry, father of the James Parry that this profile relates to, is in Clodock in 1841 (at HO107 piece 420, Book 3, Folio3, Page 1) and dies in January 1851.

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Thank you Barbera, the Thomas I referred to was my gx4's brother,his grandparents James and Mary Farr married 1744 in Michaelchurch,Herefordshire. James bn c1719 bur. year unknown and places unknown but there must be some documentation available giving an indication of his birth year - my brickwall . cheers !! Bruce Parry

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Hello Bruce, it would really help if you could let me have the details of how you've made the connections you have in your tree - as I said to you in my email last year, from the trees I have so far put together for the One-name study, I have the Thomas Parry b 1789 in Kilpeck as the son of William Parry and Mary (Crump).  The William (b 1758 Kilpeck) appears to be the son of John Parry and Ann (Aubry).   And the John (b1721 Kilpeck) appears to be the son of John Parry and Elinor (Read).

If I have the tree wrong, I'd obviously like to correct it - but it does seem the best explanatiion of the data and, so far, I have seen no evidence to indicate that the Thomas b 1789 Kilpeck was grandson of James Parry and Mary Farr.

Did you consider the DNA suggestion, by the way? As a Parry male, your YDNA could help in identifying which other Parrys your line connects to.

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Hi Barbera, firstly,there were two Parry families in Kilpeck and I haven't found a family relationship.I'm sure William bn 1760 moved from the parish of Ewyas Harold for occupational reasons. James Parry c1719-? and Mary Farr- his place of birth,date and place of burial and occupation are unknown. But because a year of birth is given there must be some record showing this information. Their 7th child/4th son was William chr June 1760. William Parry 1760-1832 m Mary Maddocks possibly 1782,resided in Kilpeck.His occupation was stonemason and so were his 2 youngest sons Thomas c1789 and Richard c1793.Initially I thought William married Mary Crump,but from memory Mary and her husband borderhopped and resided in Wales. Because dates,geographical areas,occupations and christian names follow on,I'm comfortable to accept this scenario. Two contributors to Family Search have also come up with the same lineage but I have been unsuccessful in contacting them. John Parry bn 1721 is the son of John bn 1690 and is the father of William bn1758 ( perhaps he married Mary Crump ? ). This family were also tradesmen but mainly carpenters. Clodock had a number of Parry families - perhaps James bn c1719 is related to John bn 1721 ? cheers !! Bruce Parry

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Hello Bruce, thanks for your reply but do you have details of any original records that support the William and Mary in Kilpeck being the William born in Michaelchurch Eskley, or to demonstrate the border hopping of the William baptised in Kilpeck and his wife Mary?  For the One-name study I am collecting all the entries from censuses, parish records and probate etc and it would be really useful if I could mark off particular entries as proven to be relating to specific families.

But, at the moment, the problem is, we have at least two William Parry baptisms (one in Kilpeck in 1758 and one in Michaelchurch Eskley in 1760) and at least two William and Mary Parry families (one couple in Kilpeck having children James 1784, William 1787, Thomas 1789, Richard 1793 and Mary 1796, the other couple in Michaelchurch Eskley having children David 1781, Elizabeth 1783 Susanna 1787 and Eleanor 1790, as well as probably an illegitimate William before they married).  I agree that people did move around but it needs evidence to show that both of these two Williams had moved - otherwise the baptisms within the same parish seem to be the more relevant entries for each of the two Williams for now.

You're right that there are a lot of Parrys in the area and I wouldn't be surprised if many of them do connect to each other further back - that's one reason it would be good to get YDNA tests done on each of the family lines, as that should show up which lines are descended from the same original ancestors. Autosomal testing might also be useful for confirming closeness of relationship between the more recent families - the very fact that there are so many families is why it is essential to be careful to make sure there is evidence for matching people up. Barbara

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Morning Brbara, I have no written proof that that William bn 1760 to James and Mary is the William who fathered Thomas in 1789 Kilpeck.I made my decision based on geographical area and christian names . Unfortunately I do not have records on Mary Crump - my research was carried out several years ago.There is a Family search record confirming that Mary Maddocks married William Parry in 1780. William Parry bn 1758 is a member of another Parry family in Kilpeck.

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Hello Bruce, thanks for confirming the basis for your tree.  The William Parry marriage to Mary Crump took place in Abbeydore 1 July 1783 (which is one of the reasons why I think they are the couple having the children in Kilpeck - it fits better with the start of the children's baptism dates.) The William Parry and Mary Maddocks marriage took place in Michaelchurch Eskley 10 November 1780.

Unfortunately, even on Family Search, if a tree doesn't have documented evidence, it could be unreliable.

I'll keep a look out for any evidence one way or the other, as I continue to collect data for the One-Name Study.  And please do consider the DNA option - one descendant of the Parry family in Clodock has tested, and it would be very useful to get more Parrys from the area to test., to help us work out who is related to who.

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Bruce, if HEF in your Parry profiles is an abbreviation for Herefordshire, it would be helpful for researchers to have clear understanding of the county of birth or baptism. I am only making such an observation, as I read your posting, otherwise I would be clueless as to were James Perry & his father were born.

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I'm too new to know if there is any wiki tree policy on their use but HEF is a standard 'Chapman Code' for Herefordshire.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Regions/Codes

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Thank you Helen.

I have been researching for many years particularly in England & Wales, and have never before come across the "Chapman Code". Likewise I do not know whether wikitree have a pilicy on their use.